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Must be nearly time to refresh the intercessor kit...
   
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Wigum211 wrote:
Must be nearly time to refresh the intercessor kit...


With a new melee weapon for the sergeant that's slightly better than a thunder-hammer, of course.

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 AnomanderRake wrote:
Wigum211 wrote:
Must be nearly time to refresh the intercessor kit...


With a new melee weapon for the sergeant that's slightly better than a thunder-hammer, of course.

Pssh. You think so small. New slightly different magazines for their bolters. Which (you guessed it!) gives them superpowers.

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Right behind you.

Wigum211 wrote:
Must be nearly time to refresh the intercessor kit...

Truthfully?

I initially had thought that was what the Assault Intercessors would be. A refresh/add-on to the kit ala the Knight Warden and Canis Rex were. There's a lot of wiggle room in how they could do things without just flatout doing a whole new kit.
   
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 Kanluwen wrote:
Wigum211 wrote:
Must be nearly time to refresh the intercessor kit...

Truthfully?

I initially had thought that was what the Assault Intercessors would be. A refresh/add-on to the kit ala the Knight Warden and Canis Rex were. There's a lot of wiggle room in how they could do things without just flatout doing a whole new kit.


They could still do it that way. Make the $60 box the five-model box and put the melee upgrade frame in, and make people dig up starter-box models if they want the dynamic poses.

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Right behind you.

It wouldn't be that big of a jump in all likelihood.

The Knight started out at $140 for the Errant and Paladin alone...then went to $157 for the Warden, Gallant, Crusader, Errant, and Paladin.

Finally, Canis Rex/Preceptor(a small sprue) got added...and it stayed at $157. They just ditched the $140 kit last year after maintaining it as a Direct Only item.

I'd hazard a guess IF they were to go that route, we'd be looking at $65-$70, with some additional arms and legs that are keyed to the main Intercessor body.
   
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the_scotsman wrote:
Tygre wrote:
I hope that Primaris will eventually be able wear Terminator Armour. And allowed in Landraiders. If Primarchs and First-Born can then Primaris should also.


Honestly if I were GW I probably wouldn't retire terminators. Or land raiders. They're good kits. Just declare that there's Primaris in there now.

I mean, it's already utterly BEYOND stupid that they're going down the route of these sacred relics like marine tanks and venerable dreadnoughts are just being pitched out by the loyalists like yesterday's jam, but it'd really truly be hilarious if they did that with the fuckin land raiders and terminator suits.

"ah yes, these priceless relics, each chapter only has a few. We must always cherish, protect and maintain them..."

"BOSS, NEW SHIPMENT A' GRAVY ARMAH JUST CAME IN!"

"I see - in that case then, yeet!"


Yes, that's entirely what's happening and not at all that as these priceless relics that are increasingly difficult to replicate and source are being damaged beyond repair by constant war they're being being replaced by new, more modern, more easily constructed hardware.

Nosiree, it's definitely not that at all.

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Nothing in the primaris ramge indicate that they are easy to construct. Not in any way more manageble than classic marines. I meam compare an impulsor to a rhino. Wich one would you rather try to repair?

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Lance845 wrote:
 Dysartes wrote:
 LunarSol wrote:
Moving classic marines to Legends?


Moving Primaris to Legends.


Off your meds huh?

Meanwhile, in reality...


Not at all - in the end, it appears that all things go to Legends.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
the_scotsman wrote:
Tygre wrote:
I hope that Primaris will eventually be able wear Terminator Armour. And allowed in Landraiders. If Primarchs and First-Born can then Primaris should also.


Honestly if I were GW I probably wouldn't retire terminators. Or land raiders. They're good kits. Just declare that there's Primaris in there now.

I mean, it's already utterly BEYOND stupid that they're going down the route of these sacred relics like marine tanks and venerable dreadnoughts are just being pitched out by the loyalists like yesterday's jam, but it'd really truly be hilarious if they did that with the fuckin land raiders and terminator suits.

"ah yes, these priceless relics, each chapter only has a few. We must always cherish, protect and maintain them..."

"BOSS, NEW SHIPMENT A' GRAVY ARMAH JUST CAME IN!"

"I see - in that case then, yeet!"

Gotta disagree on Terminators. Proportions are absolutely terrible.

Ah, like your opinions?

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 Platuan4th wrote:
the_scotsman wrote:
Tygre wrote:
I hope that Primaris will eventually be able wear Terminator Armour. And allowed in Landraiders. If Primarchs and First-Born can then Primaris should also.


Honestly if I were GW I probably wouldn't retire terminators. Or land raiders. They're good kits. Just declare that there's Primaris in there now.

I mean, it's already utterly BEYOND stupid that they're going down the route of these sacred relics like marine tanks and venerable dreadnoughts are just being pitched out by the loyalists like yesterday's jam, but it'd really truly be hilarious if they did that with the fuckin land raiders and terminator suits.

"ah yes, these priceless relics, each chapter only has a few. We must always cherish, protect and maintain them..."

"BOSS, NEW SHIPMENT A' GRAVY ARMAH JUST CAME IN!"

"I see - in that case then, yeet!"


Yes, that's entirely what's happening and not at all that as these priceless relics that are increasingly difficult to replicate and source are being damaged beyond repair by constant war they're being being replaced by new, more modern, more easily constructed hardware.

Nosiree, it's definitely not that at all.


When it worked for the last 10000 years, and suddenly becomes an issue... yeah, that doesn't exactly make sense. With GW though... who knows?

The bigger problem is the scale difference between OldMarines and NewMarines: Primaris are simply too big for TDA. For the same reason we'll see new Death Company, Sanguinary Guard, Deathwing Knights and all the other specialist Marines sooner or later: they are still an essential part of their chapters background, but the old armour is too small for Primaris Marines.

Oh, and GW obviously wanting to sell new models of course.
   
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 Dysartes wrote:
Lance845 wrote:
 Dysartes wrote:
 LunarSol wrote:
Moving classic marines to Legends?


Moving Primaris to Legends.


Off your meds huh?

Meanwhile, in reality...


Not at all - in the end, it appears that all things go to Legends.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
the_scotsman wrote:
Tygre wrote:
I hope that Primaris will eventually be able wear Terminator Armour. And allowed in Landraiders. If Primarchs and First-Born can then Primaris should also.


Honestly if I were GW I probably wouldn't retire terminators. Or land raiders. They're good kits. Just declare that there's Primaris in there now.

I mean, it's already utterly BEYOND stupid that they're going down the route of these sacred relics like marine tanks and venerable dreadnoughts are just being pitched out by the loyalists like yesterday's jam, but it'd really truly be hilarious if they did that with the fuckin land raiders and terminator suits.

"ah yes, these priceless relics, each chapter only has a few. We must always cherish, protect and maintain them..."

"BOSS, NEW SHIPMENT A' GRAVY ARMAH JUST CAME IN!"

"I see - in that case then, yeet!"

Gotta disagree on Terminators. Proportions are absolutely terrible.

Ah, like your opinions?

You're not seriously defending the Terminator models are you?

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Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Spoiler:
 Dysartes wrote:
Lance845 wrote:
 Dysartes wrote:
 LunarSol wrote:
Moving classic marines to Legends?


Moving Primaris to Legends.


Off your meds huh?

Meanwhile, in reality...


Not at all - in the end, it appears that all things go to Legends.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
the_scotsman wrote:
Tygre wrote:
I hope that Primaris will eventually be able wear Terminator Armour. And allowed in Landraiders. If Primarchs and First-Born can then Primaris should also.


Honestly if I were GW I probably wouldn't retire terminators. Or land raiders. They're good kits. Just declare that there's Primaris in there now.

I mean, it's already utterly BEYOND stupid that they're going down the route of these sacred relics like marine tanks and venerable dreadnoughts are just being pitched out by the loyalists like yesterday's jam, but it'd really truly be hilarious if they did that with the fuckin land raiders and terminator suits.

"ah yes, these priceless relics, each chapter only has a few. We must always cherish, protect and maintain them..."

"BOSS, NEW SHIPMENT A' GRAVY ARMAH JUST CAME IN!"

"I see - in that case then, yeet!"

Gotta disagree on Terminators. Proportions are absolutely terrible.

Ah, like your opinions?

You're not seriously defending the Terminator models are you?

As general designs? Yes, the silhouette is a classic for a reason.
As something I'd want to wear or fight in? No.

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 Dysartes wrote:
Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Spoiler:
 Dysartes wrote:
Lance845 wrote:
 Dysartes wrote:
 LunarSol wrote:
Moving classic marines to Legends?


Moving Primaris to Legends.


Off your meds huh?

Meanwhile, in reality...


Not at all - in the end, it appears that all things go to Legends.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
the_scotsman wrote:
Tygre wrote:
I hope that Primaris will eventually be able wear Terminator Armour. And allowed in Landraiders. If Primarchs and First-Born can then Primaris should also.


Honestly if I were GW I probably wouldn't retire terminators. Or land raiders. They're good kits. Just declare that there's Primaris in there now.

I mean, it's already utterly BEYOND stupid that they're going down the route of these sacred relics like marine tanks and venerable dreadnoughts are just being pitched out by the loyalists like yesterday's jam, but it'd really truly be hilarious if they did that with the fuckin land raiders and terminator suits.

"ah yes, these priceless relics, each chapter only has a few. We must always cherish, protect and maintain them..."

"BOSS, NEW SHIPMENT A' GRAVY ARMAH JUST CAME IN!"

"I see - in that case then, yeet!"

Gotta disagree on Terminators. Proportions are absolutely terrible.

Ah, like your opinions?

You're not seriously defending the Terminator models are you?

As general designs? Yes, the silhouette is a classic for a reason.
As something I'd want to wear or fight in? No.


It's something you CAN'T wear or fight in. Not unless you can disconnect your arms and legs from your torso and have them functionally hover a foot away from your body.


These are my opinions. This is how I feel. Others may feel differently. This needs to be stated for some reason.
 
   
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 Lance845 wrote:
 Dysartes wrote:
Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Spoiler:
 Dysartes wrote:
Lance845 wrote:
 Dysartes wrote:
 LunarSol wrote:
Moving classic marines to Legends?


Moving Primaris to Legends.


Off your meds huh?

Meanwhile, in reality...


Not at all - in the end, it appears that all things go to Legends.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
the_scotsman wrote:
Tygre wrote:
I hope that Primaris will eventually be able wear Terminator Armour. And allowed in Landraiders. If Primarchs and First-Born can then Primaris should also.


Honestly if I were GW I probably wouldn't retire terminators. Or land raiders. They're good kits. Just declare that there's Primaris in there now.

I mean, it's already utterly BEYOND stupid that they're going down the route of these sacred relics like marine tanks and venerable dreadnoughts are just being pitched out by the loyalists like yesterday's jam, but it'd really truly be hilarious if they did that with the fuckin land raiders and terminator suits.

"ah yes, these priceless relics, each chapter only has a few. We must always cherish, protect and maintain them..."

"BOSS, NEW SHIPMENT A' GRAVY ARMAH JUST CAME IN!"

"I see - in that case then, yeet!"

Gotta disagree on Terminators. Proportions are absolutely terrible.

Ah, like your opinions?

You're not seriously defending the Terminator models are you?

As general designs? Yes, the silhouette is a classic for a reason.
As something I'd want to wear or fight in? No.


It's something you CAN'T wear or fight in. Not unless you can disconnect your arms and legs from your torso and have them functionally hover a foot away from your body.


I know I've seen a couple of cutaway diagrams for Terminator armour doing the rounds that shows that isn't the case, though I'll concede they're unofficial images.

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 Lance845 wrote:


It's something you CAN'T wear or fight in. Not unless you can disconnect your arms and legs from your torso and have them functionally hover a foot away from your body.


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 Dysartes wrote:
 Lance845 wrote:
 Dysartes wrote:
Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Spoiler:
 Dysartes wrote:
Lance845 wrote:
 Dysartes wrote:
 LunarSol wrote:
Moving classic marines to Legends?


Moving Primaris to Legends.


Off your meds huh?

Meanwhile, in reality...


Not at all - in the end, it appears that all things go to Legends.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
the_scotsman wrote:
Tygre wrote:
I hope that Primaris will eventually be able wear Terminator Armour. And allowed in Landraiders. If Primarchs and First-Born can then Primaris should also.


Honestly if I were GW I probably wouldn't retire terminators. Or land raiders. They're good kits. Just declare that there's Primaris in there now.

I mean, it's already utterly BEYOND stupid that they're going down the route of these sacred relics like marine tanks and venerable dreadnoughts are just being pitched out by the loyalists like yesterday's jam, but it'd really truly be hilarious if they did that with the fuckin land raiders and terminator suits.

"ah yes, these priceless relics, each chapter only has a few. We must always cherish, protect and maintain them..."

"BOSS, NEW SHIPMENT A' GRAVY ARMAH JUST CAME IN!"

"I see - in that case then, yeet!"

Gotta disagree on Terminators. Proportions are absolutely terrible.

Ah, like your opinions?

You're not seriously defending the Terminator models are you?

As general designs? Yes, the silhouette is a classic for a reason.
As something I'd want to wear or fight in? No.


It's something you CAN'T wear or fight in. Not unless you can disconnect your arms and legs from your torso and have them functionally hover a foot away from your body.


I know I've seen a couple of cutaway diagrams for Terminator armour doing the rounds that shows that isn't the case, though I'll concede they're unofficial images.


This is probably the image you are thinking of:

Spoiler:


source/artist: https://www.deviantart.com/penuser/art/Warhammer-40K-Terminator-Cross-Section-831097264

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Jetpack and bike characters
Chapter specific units
drop pods
Air vehicles
Thunderfire/artillery piece
Whirlwhind/ vindicator
More dreadnoughts
Sternguard equivalent
Terminators and centurions
Jetpack marines
Land speeder

And most importantly they need more war gear options for characters and squads.

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 AnomanderRake wrote:
Wigum211 wrote:
Must be nearly time to refresh the intercessor kit...


With a new melee weapon for the sergeant that's slightly better than a thunder-hammer, of course.

A primaris lightning claw.

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 Darnok wrote:
 Platuan4th wrote:
the_scotsman wrote:
Tygre wrote:
I hope that Primaris will eventually be able wear Terminator Armour. And allowed in Landraiders. If Primarchs and First-Born can then Primaris should also.


Honestly if I were GW I probably wouldn't retire terminators. Or land raiders. They're good kits. Just declare that there's Primaris in there now.

I mean, it's already utterly BEYOND stupid that they're going down the route of these sacred relics like marine tanks and venerable dreadnoughts are just being pitched out by the loyalists like yesterday's jam, but it'd really truly be hilarious if they did that with the fuckin land raiders and terminator suits.

"ah yes, these priceless relics, each chapter only has a few. We must always cherish, protect and maintain them..."

"BOSS, NEW SHIPMENT A' GRAVY ARMAH JUST CAME IN!"

"I see - in that case then, yeet!"


Yes, that's entirely what's happening and not at all that as these priceless relics that are increasingly difficult to replicate and source are being damaged beyond repair by constant war they're being being replaced by new, more modern, more easily constructed hardware.

Nosiree, it's definitely not that at all.


When it worked for the last 10000 years, and suddenly becomes an issue... yeah, that doesn't exactly make sense. With GW though... who knows?


Except it hasn't worked for the last 10k years. It's been the fluff for decades that Dreadnoughts and Terminator armor are so precious to Chapters that retrieving them to patch them back together are missions unto themselves and that the loss of even one machine/suit is a tragedy to be mourned as it's an irreplaceable relic of Chapter history. It's why the fact that the Unforgiven can field entire Companies of TDA are noteworthy amongst other Chapters, because while other Chapters' supplies dwindle, they seem to be able to replace those permanently lost.

So yes, more and more Chapters in the lore are growing more accepting of Primaris partly because they're bringing in newer, replaceable equipment.

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And what exactly makes primaris equipment easier to replace? Are you actually saying anti-gravity technologie is easier to replace than treads? That would make an old bulldozer more advanced than a landspeeder.
   
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Well if you ritualy destroy all thread producing facilities, and the only factories you have are those producing anti grav plates, then yes. The grav are easier to replace.

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Karol wrote:
Well if you ritualy destroy all thread producing facilities, and the only factories you have are those producing anti grav plates, then yes. The grav are easier to replace.

Any 20th century machine shop can repair treads. You might as well say anti-grav is easier to replace than wheels. So, no.
   
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Which brings us back to the idea that the Imperium has been holding back technology and resources from the Marines out of fear of rebellion.

If you tell me Termi Armor is irreplaceable and priceless enough times I'll stop asking why you can't just take one and make copies. Until one day you remember you can...

 
   
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Or it's just bad writing and Cawl is a deus ex machina that gives them an excuse to introduce new technology. It's always been said that terminator armour was still produced, just in low quantities. Even Fellblades are still being cranked out to the tune of one every five years. Not much in a empire of trillions, but still in production. The technology exists, it's just rare. Absolutely nothing would suggests an impulsor is easier to manufacture or repair than a rhino.
   
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Or it's just bad writing and Cawl is a deus ex machina that gives them an excuse to introduce new technology. It's always been said that terminator armour was still produced, just in low quantities. Even Fellblades are still being cranked out to the tune of one every five years. Not much in a empire of trillions, but still in production. The technology exists, it's just rare. Absolutely nothing would suggests an impulsor is easier to manufacture or repair than a rhino.


On one hand, back when 40k was just a "setting" with a static timeline where everyday was essentially "Tuesday", the narrative of irreplaceable relics worked a lot better. You were frozen in time so you never really had to confront certain problems that "irreplaceable relics of war" actually create. The original story of the Ultramarines 1st Company sacrificing itself fighting the 'nids clearly labels the suits as something that couldn't be replaced. They've oh-so-slowly walked that back over the years, but it still creates a problem.

Now that we have a background where the story is actually advancing and there's a dynamic narrative at play, you have to change things up as you can only say "That Land Raider was an irreplaceable relic" so many times in a story that's always moving forward. So now they have to introduce new sources of supplies and men and tech, etc. So even that all makes sense to me. Where I start to have a issue is when we look at the fact that all the new stuff appears to be WAY more complicated and involved. What do field repairs on a Impulsor look like? Cawl can't be everywhere for crying out loud!

Also, he can invent Primaris, Anti-Grav tech, etc, but he can't produce new Land Raiders?!

Far as what the Primaris are missing - they need flyers. Although seeing what their tanks look like, I'm kind of dreading seeing the flyers ...

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Whats left for Primaris?

Probably quite a lot, surely several more units with slightly different armour part arrangements and weapons (including several more slightly different bolter variants) to add to the array of forgettable units already released. Perhaps some more hover vehicles that look like they have been rolled in a bits box?

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Tycho wrote:
Far as what the Primaris are missing - they need flyers. Although seeing what their tanks look like, I'm kind of dreading seeing the flyers ...


Yeah they could be pretty nasty or they could be like the flyers in the Tau codex and just be terrible. How I wanted the Tau flyers to be good but they always just don’t work very well.

Otherwise though the only thing they really need is jump pack units, a jump HQ and some fast attack jump melee.

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Tycho wrote:

. What do field repairs on a Impulsor look like? Cawl can't be everywhere for crying out loud!


According to War of Secrets, Greyshield Primaris were partially inducted into the Cult Mechanicus(they even go as far as to refer to the Emperor as the Omnissiah and call Cawl "Pater Cawl"), so it's understandable that they'd understand the basics of field repair.

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According to War of Secrets, Greyshield Primaris were partially inducted into the Cult Mechanicus(they even go as far as to refer to the Emperor as the Omnissiah and call Cawl "Pater Cawl"), so it's understandable that they'd understand the basics of field repair.


My point being that if you have a busted track on a Rhino, it's a relatively easy fix. Even under fire. If the anti-grav on the impulsor goes - how do you fix that mid-battle? Is there some kind of combat jack to lift it so the giant Primaris marine can squeeze under it? lol

I wasn't suggesting they can't fix it. I was just pointing out that while I buy the reasons for getting new gear, I'm more than a little surprised the new gear is so much more complicated. Especially since Marines have always had their stuff built around "durable and easy to fix".

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 Platuan4th wrote:

Except it hasn't worked for the last 10k years. It's been the fluff for decades that Dreadnoughts and Terminator armor are so precious to Chapters that retrieving them to patch them back together are missions unto themselves and that the loss of even one machine/suit is a tragedy to be mourned as it's an irreplaceable relic of Chapter history. It's why the fact that the Unforgiven can field entire Companies of TDA are noteworthy amongst other Chapters, because while other Chapters' supplies dwindle, they seem to be able to replace those permanently lost.

So yes, more and more Chapters in the lore are growing more accepting of Primaris partly because they're bringing in newer, replaceable equipment.


Irreplaceable relics of Chapter history, yes. Not that it can't be replaced at all, but the 'machine spirit' and the heroes its associated with make the armor (and weapons) priceless. Imperial logistics are kind of crap, yes, but its the history and veneration that matter here. Not that they can't make more terminator suits.

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