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Necronmaniac05 wrote:
I think the fact that Lokhust Heavy Destroyers and the Canoptek Doomstalker are both listed under 'Indomitus set' in chapter approved 2020 strongly suggests they'll be out pre codex.

I'm expecting the 4 ETB kits to come out the same week a thenew starters, or the week after. "Expand your forces with these new models" sort of thing.

I know it's greedy, but I really hope they're in the next couple of weeks. I'm so eager to get my hands on both the Doomstalker and the Lokhust.

 Ghaz wrote:

 Sasori wrote:
Ya'll need go look at the picture blown up.

It is clearly not a part of the model when you look at it close up. even in the larger picture you can see the back of the model and the curved backplate and the orb does not fit.

Here's a better pic ...

The more I stare at this, the more I'm thinking it has to be the ranged variant of the Skorpehk. I still cannot tell if that orb is part of it or not, but I do see the piece of terrain the other poster was talking about and I find myself in doubt now. too.

IMHO, the ranged variant of the Skorpekh should be the Lokhust, just like the close combat variant of the Lokhust should be the Skorpekh. With two different types of Destroyers, they need to do something to keep them distinct from each other. The sole exceptions should be the Lords, with the Skorpekh Lord with it's Enmitic Annihilator and the Lokhust Lord with some sort of Hyperphase weapon.

Who knows, maybe the mystery model is a Lokhust Destroyer Lord ...


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From the Warhammer 40,000 Facebook page. Love the misspelling with Dias instead of Dais...

EDIT: Now with corrected spelling

If they had just put: “días de dominio” it would have only slightly altared its meaning.

Misspelling intended.

As others have said, hoping we might see some new models before the Codex, technically no reason why new models for existing things couldn't be released (Warriors, Monolith etc.), guess the only issue would be if they had new weapons options. Even releasing completely new stuff would be possible with rules in the box these days.

Guess GW might like to stick to its usual thing of dumping everything over the course of a couple of weeks, but at the moment there's a slightly weird situation that the Necrons are getting a bit of a push from Indomitus, but a number of their main sets (including their core troops) have gone out of production.

On another note, an awful lot of the new Necron range seems to be ETB, wondering if we might see another version of Conquest when the current Mortal Realms run ends.

Couple of things: GW is currently recruiting for a published writer to work in it's part works division so it is safe to say more Conquest style publications are coming. Of course these could also be like the previous legends series or even new merch like statues etc

The articles like "expand your army" on WHC are blatantly written from before this current crisis as they are referencing models out of stock for months.

I think indomitus was planned for release later in the year but GW wants it out in case we see more retail shutdowns again. That's why we have a comparably long wait for the codexes.

 Red Corsair wrote:

 alextroy wrote:
But Lascannons are S9 AP -3, which gives an not insignificant chance of a save for Sv 3+.

Well dev doctrine is universal to all marines turn 1, which is usually the most important turn for such units, although it is temporary. I also wouldn't exactly call a 6+ save significant.

A 6+ vs no save at all is very very significant. 16% chance vs 0% is huge!

Gir Spirit Bane wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:

 alextroy wrote:
But Lascannons are S9 AP -3, which gives an not insignificant chance of a save for Sv 3+.

Well dev doctrine is universal to all marines turn 1, which is usually the most important turn for such units, although it is temporary. I also wouldn't exactly call a 6+ save significant.

A 6+ vs no save at all is very very significant. 16% chance vs 0% is huge!

I also find it amusing that all Lascannons are Marine Lascannons in Devastator Doctrine. It’s like the Guard don’t use Lascannons.

 alextroy wrote:
I also find it amusing that all Lascannons are Marine Lascannons in Devastator Doctrine. It’s like the Guard don’t use Lascannons.

I mean... they very rarely do? When was the last time you saw any guard list take lascannons, outside of a fluffy game? They're not very good for guard compared to Leman Russ variants, plasma spam, etc.

Ugh, still with the D6 shots, D6 damage sillyness. Haven’t they got any feedback from the playtesters that it sucks?

I wonder if those Lokhust get any kind of move and fire heavy weapon mitigation?

 Oguhmek wrote:
Ugh, still with the D6 shots, D6 damage sillyness. Haven’t they got any feedback from the playtesters that it sucks?

The random number of shots is not as big of a deal with 9th edition rules.

Liking the looks of the Lokhust Heavy Destroyers. The Gauss Destructor looks nasty. Definitely different from a normal heavy destroyer.

130 points seems pretty solid for the Doomstalker. While it's BS4+, notably it doesn't degrade.

The Gauss Destructor is interesting to say the least... 1 Shot at min 3 Damage is pretty decent, and has the ability to do significantly more. It's just one shot a piece though.

The Enmitic weapon seems pretty bad. If it was damage 2 I'd consider it, but just -1 AP D1 and it's not even strength 8 doesn't seem very good.

 cuda1179 wrote:
Liking the looks of the Lokhust Heavy Destroyers. The Gauss Destructor looks nasty. Definitely different from a normal heavy destroyer.

Logic stands that these are the "normal" heavy destroyers now.

 Sasori wrote:
130 points seems pretty solid for the Doomstalker. While it's BS4+, notably it doesn't degrade.

The Gauss Destructor is interesting to say the least... 1 Shot at min 3 Damage is pretty decent, and has the ability to do significantly more. It's just one shot a piece though.

The Enmitic weapon seems pretty bad. If it was damage 2 I'd consider it, but just -1 AP D1 and it's not even strength 8 doesn't seem very good.

Where did you find those photos? Is that a WD entry or the codex itself?

 IronfrontAlex wrote:

 Sasori wrote:
130 points seems pretty solid for the Doomstalker. While it's BS4+, notably it doesn't degrade.

The Gauss Destructor is interesting to say the least... 1 Shot at min 3 Damage is pretty decent, and has the ability to do significantly more. It's just one shot a piece though.

The Enmitic weapon seems pretty bad. If it was damage 2 I'd consider it, but just -1 AP D1 and it's not even strength 8 doesn't seem very good.

Where did you find those photos? Is that a WD entry or the codex itself?

They were leaked by somebody in the Necron Discord.

 Sasori wrote:

 IronfrontAlex wrote:

 Sasori wrote:
130 points seems pretty solid for the Doomstalker. While it's BS4+, notably it doesn't degrade.

The Gauss Destructor is interesting to say the least... 1 Shot at min 3 Damage is pretty decent, and has the ability to do significantly more. It's just one shot a piece though.

The Enmitic weapon seems pretty bad. If it was damage 2 I'd consider it, but just -1 AP D1 and it's not even strength 8 doesn't seem very good.

Where did you find those photos? Is that a WD entry or the codex itself?

They were leaked by somebody in the Necron Discord.

as a fellow pheron can you share the discord link?

 IronfrontAlex wrote:

 Sasori wrote:

 IronfrontAlex wrote:

 Sasori wrote:
130 points seems pretty solid for the Doomstalker. While it's BS4+, notably it doesn't degrade.

The Gauss Destructor is interesting to say the least... 1 Shot at min 3 Damage is pretty decent, and has the ability to do significantly more. It's just one shot a piece though.

The Enmitic weapon seems pretty bad. If it was damage 2 I'd consider it, but just -1 AP D1 and it's not even strength 8 doesn't seem very good.

Where did you find those photos? Is that a WD entry or the codex itself?

They were leaked by somebody in the Necron Discord.

as a fellow pheron can you share the discord link?

It's in my Signature

Seems odd that none of those have Blast.
On the other hand, that does mean the Doomstalker can fire its big gun at its feet to ward off pesky assault units.

 Sasori wrote:
130 points seems pretty solid for the Doomstalker. While it's BS4+, notably it doesn't degrade.

The Gauss Destructor is interesting to say the least... 1 Shot at min 3 Damage is pretty decent, and has the ability to do significantly more. It's just one shot a piece though.

The Enmitic weapon seems pretty bad. If it was damage 2 I'd consider it, but just -1 AP D1 and it's not even strength 8 doesn't seem very good.

Are there still Heavy Destroyers, or are they replaced by Lokhust destroyers?

 Sasori wrote:

 IronfrontAlex wrote:

 Sasori wrote:

 IronfrontAlex wrote:

 Sasori wrote:
130 points seems pretty solid for the Doomstalker. While it's BS4+, notably it doesn't degrade.

The Gauss Destructor is interesting to say the least... 1 Shot at min 3 Damage is pretty decent, and has the ability to do significantly more. It's just one shot a piece though.

The Enmitic weapon seems pretty bad. If it was damage 2 I'd consider it, but just -1 AP D1 and it's not even strength 8 doesn't seem very good.

Where did you find those photos? Is that a WD entry or the codex itself?

They were leaked by somebody in the Necron Discord.

as a fellow pheron can you share the discord link?

It's in my Signature

Aw shoot the link's expired

 IronfrontAlex wrote:

 Sasori wrote:

 IronfrontAlex wrote:

 Sasori wrote:

 IronfrontAlex wrote:

 Sasori wrote:
130 points seems pretty solid for the Doomstalker. While it's BS4+, notably it doesn't degrade.

The Gauss Destructor is interesting to say the least... 1 Shot at min 3 Damage is pretty decent, and has the ability to do significantly more. It's just one shot a piece though.

The Enmitic weapon seems pretty bad. If it was damage 2 I'd consider it, but just -1 AP D1 and it's not even strength 8 doesn't seem very good.

Where did you find those photos? Is that a WD entry or the codex itself?

They were leaked by somebody in the Necron Discord.

as a fellow pheron can you share the discord link?

It's in my Signature

Aw shoot the link's expired

Oh shoot, Try this one: https://discord.com/invite/AGtpeD4

 Ghaz wrote:

 Oguhmek wrote:
Ugh, still with the D6 shots, D6 damage sillyness. Haven’t they got any feedback from the playtesters that it sucks?

The random number of shots is not as big of a deal with 9th edition rules.

None of the weapons are blast, so it does seem like it matters. 1 to 36 Damage is a pretty high variance.
The Doomsday cannon on the DDA is Blast, so it can get a little more slack when targeting infantry.

I'm honestly a little puzzled by the Doomstalker. Its the same role as the DDA, with a major overlap in stats. Its shorter range, but has the same limitations. It has a 5++, but no quantum shield, 2 less wounds, and no living metal. Its Canoptek rather than vehicle, so can't use Damage Control Override (which can override the DDA's degrading BS), and yet can't use Repair Subroutines to fake RP, because its a single model unit (can't be used if it isn't on the table).

Maybe it has a significantly lower points cost to go with the 3 less Power cost, but at the moment, beyond a cooler model, I don't know why this thing exists. Edit, ah. Forgot this was in the CA2020. 50 points is a reasonable savings. Still not sure why its a sawn-off shotgun version of an existing unit, though.


Not sold on the Lokhust either. It traded 2 move for an extra wound, but a S7 anti-infantry gun isn't exactly calling out to me. People weren't terribly enthused about the particle shredder to my knowledge, and this seems worse in most cases.
The even more bigger gauss weapon is... ok? Average 6 damage isn't bad, but 1 shot on what looks to be a fairly expensive platform (70 vs 40 for a heavy destroyer). Eh. If it could be mixed into normal destroyer units like the current heavy destroyer, maybe. Solo these things are big targets for the possibility that they might hit.

Voss wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

 Oguhmek wrote:
Ugh, still with the D6 shots, D6 damage sillyness. Haven’t they got any feedback from the playtesters that it sucks?

The random number of shots is not as big of a deal with 9th edition rules.

None of the weapons are blast, so it does seem like it matters. 1 to 36 Damage is a pretty high variance.
The Doomsday cannon on the DDA is Blast, so it can get a little more slack when targeting infantry.

I'm honestly a little puzzled by the Doomstalker. Its the same role as the DDA, with a major overlap in stats. Its shorter range, but has the same limitations. It has a 5++, but no quantum shield, 2 less wounds, and no living metal. Its Canoptek rather than vehicle, so can't use Damage Control Override (which can override the DDA's degrading BS), and yet can't use Repair Subroutines to fake RP, because its a single model unit (can't be used if it isn't on the table).

Maybe it has a significantly lower points cost to go with the 3 less Power cost, but at the moment, beyond a cooler model, I don't know why this thing exists.


Not sold on the Lokhust either. It traded 2 move for an extra wound, but a S7 anti-infantry gun isn't exactly calling out to me. People weren't terribly enthused about the particle shredder to my knowledge, and this seems worse in most cases.
The even more bigger gauss weapon is... ok? Average 6 damage isn't bad, but 1 shot on what looks to be a fairly expensive platform. Eh. If it could be mixed into normal destroyer units like the current heavy destroyer, maybe. Solo these things are big targets for the possibility that they might hit.

The Stalker is 130 and the Lokhust are 70 each.

The stalker looks worth it to me. It doesn't need damage control override, since it's BS never degrades and it can be buffed by MWBD to get 3+ now. While it doesn't have QS, the Invuln save more than makes up for it, and it also has a better base save at 3+ which helps some.

48' means you never have to reall move and the lack of blast means it can fire it's weapon in CC which Is a pretty big deal since it's much more likely to end up in CC than the DDA.

Yeah, I just got my indomitus stuff this weekend and hadn't taken a real look at the points book yet.

I really don't like the Lokhust compared to the current Heavy Destroyers. Average damage of 6 is very questionably worth the cost of almost 2 heavy Ds.

And with the Stalker at the lower points, I guess the question is 'why does the DDA exist?' They're just too similar for both to have a point.

Voss wrote:
Yeah, I just got my indomitus stuff this weekend and hadn't taken a real look at the points book yet.

I really don't like the Lokhust compared to the current Heavy Destroyers. Average damage of 6 is very questionably worth the cost of almost 2 heavy Ds.

And with the Stalker at the lower points, I guess the question is 'why does the DDA exist?' They're just too similar for both to have a point.

I mean I'd seriously consider bringing both in a vehicle meta. That's 6 doomsday cannons for 930 pts. I can't imagine many tank armies that would be happy to run into that. Knights might as well not even get on the table.

IanVanCheese wrote:

Voss wrote:
Yeah, I just got my indomitus stuff this weekend and hadn't taken a real look at the points book yet.

I really don't like the Lokhust compared to the current Heavy Destroyers. Average damage of 6 is very questionably worth the cost of almost 2 heavy Ds.

And with the Stalker at the lower points, I guess the question is 'why does the DDA exist?' They're just too similar for both to have a point.

I mean I'd seriously consider bringing both in a vehicle meta. That's 6 doomsday cannons for 930 pts. I can't imagine many tank armies that would be happy to run into that. Knights might as well not even get on the table.

Standing still in this edition where taking AND keeping Objectives is pretty much a given and Obscuring sceneries are more frequent is a VERY BAD drawback to have