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Just a word of warning for those thinking of picking up the Tactical Terrain book, it appears to contain zero rules for the various terrain types. You cannot play a Tactical Terrain game with the rulebook for said variant of 40k.

You have to get the cards.

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Just a word of warning for those thinking of picking up the Tactical Terrain book, it appears to contain zero rules for the various terrain types. You cannot play a Tactical Terrain game with the rulebook for said variant of 40k.

You have to get the cards.


LOL!!! I guess GW is going all in on the DLC sales model.

Despite 9th editions core rules looking solid I suspect that this edition overall will be terrible and we'll see a large retraction in actual game play. I'm sure it will be anecdotally blamed on the pandemic. After all how could the first ever official Tourny-Hammer edition be hot garbage?
   
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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Just a word of warning for those thinking of picking up the Tactical Terrain book, it appears to contain zero rules for the various terrain types. You cannot play a Tactical Terrain game with the rulebook for said variant of 40k.

You have to get the cards.


Like I said, the whole plan is to charge people three times: first for the expensive GW-branded terrain, second for the expensive GW-branded rulebook that doesn't actually have rules, and then a third time for the expensive GW-branded datacards that have said rules.

It's the most blatant cash-grab imaginable, and all coming at the expense of the integrity of the hobby, by actively encouraging people to select their terrain for advantage and promoting mixed boards where half the board looks like one thing and the other half looks like something completely different.

It's honestly the worst thing GW has done in a long, long time. And that's quite the achievement.

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What does the book have if it doesn't have rules?

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 Jidmah wrote:
What does the book have if it doesn't have rules?
Lots of pictures I assume.

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 Xenomancers wrote:
 Jidmah wrote:
What does the book have if it doesn't have rules?
Lots of pictures I assume.


Those are called Advertisements.

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 Jidmah wrote:
What does the book have if it doesn't have rules?


Well it has the missions and the base rules for how the system works, I assume. But it doesn't have the rules for the individual terrain pieces you can then use in that system.

Kinda like how the 40k rulebook doesn't have unit stats in it.
   
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AdmiralHalsey wrote:
 Xenomancers wrote:
 Jidmah wrote:
What does the book have if it doesn't have rules?
Lots of pictures I assume.


Those are called Advertisements.

Aye! Buy this terrain right here! You can bring it to the battle with you and it gives you bonuses to your army! Your opponents will love the fact that you place the terrain exactly where you need it and prevents them from doing pretty much anything. Loads of fun for everyone! Look how gothic this looks! Grimdak!!! Lots of smiling.

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 Jidmah wrote:
What does the book have if it doesn't have rules?
1. How to play tactical terrain games.
2. How much terrain you can choose per the 4 various size of games.
3. The complete basic rules for 40K reprinted.
4. The above includes all the secondary objectives we already have, pus a few more building specific ones.
5. 6x4 missions, one set of 6 per size of game.

And that's it.

It contains none of the rules for the various buildings, so you cannot play this style of 40K game by buying the rulebook.

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Just a word of warning for those thinking of picking up the Tactical Terrain book, it appears to contain zero rules for the various terrain types. You cannot play a Tactical Terrain game with the rulebook for said variant of 40k.

You have to get the cards.


What did i Tell people?
Gw starting to behave similarly to the Video Games industry?

I can't say i am surprised... But still ffs gw.

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 Jidmah wrote:
What does the book have if it doesn't have rules?
1. How to play tactical terrain games.
2. How much terrain you can choose per the 4 various size of games.
3. The complete basic rules for 40K reprinted.
4. The above includes all the secondary objectives we already have, pus a few more building specific ones.
5. 6x4 missions, one set of 6 per size of game.

And that's it.

It contains none of the rules for the various buildings, so you cannot play this style of 40K game by buying the rulebook.



Well, that kind of would have made sense if it came shrink-wrapped with the cards.
Oh well, I guess this seems to be dead on arrival, so I don't have to bother with getting any of these rules.
They simply don't understand how to properly market their niche rules.

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 Jidmah wrote:
What does the book have if it doesn't have rules?


Re-used art, pretty pics of models, & re-hashed lore?
Oh, and a hefty price tag.
   
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Watch it still sell like hotcakes though. If GW has shown anything it's that people will still shovel money at them for garbage and say how awesome it is.

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Wayniac wrote:
Watch it still sell like hotcakes though. If GW has shown anything it's that people will still shovel money at them for garbage and say how awesome it is.


Not this one I think, especially with codex SM due for preorder next week. This will be a solid dud.
   
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Yeah GW finally seems to have pushed it too far, I can't remember the last time a GW release got so roundly panned by almost everyone. Seems like at least 90% of the reaction is negative.

It's encouraging to see that there is some level of slop that not even GW can sell simply by slapping its logo on it.

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Its not even hot garbage. Its half a bin of hot garbage.
   
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 bullyboy wrote:
Wayniac wrote:
Watch it still sell like hotcakes though. If GW has shown anything it's that people will still shovel money at them for garbage and say how awesome it is.


Not this one I think, especially with codex SM due for preorder next week. This will be a solid dud.
I hope so. This one is really taking the piss so it needs to be just trashed to send a clear message.

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 KRakarth wrote:
Its not even hot garbage. Its half a bin of hot garbage.


Half a bin of lukewarm garbage, fuel and extra garbage required to create a true dumpster fire sold separately.

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then going over to the GW website...the prices, yikes. $40 for each little manual? Jog on. The terrain is priced high overall too, so glad I'm pretty stacked in terrain.
Since the codex and a few kits are expected the following week, absolutely no reason to be buying any of this.
   
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According to Goonhammer even if you did buy everything, the rules are for their new terrain sets only and you have to build them in a specific way to use them with the datasheets.

I think the size of this product's target group might be in the single digits.

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as big on terrain as I am, this is fething stupid!

the kits are cool but not to be used the way they are proposed.
   
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Racerguy180 wrote:
as big on terrain as I am, this is fething stupid!

the kits are cool but not to be used the way they are proposed.


It's frankly ridiculous and summed up nicely.

yukishiro1 wrote:
 KRakarth wrote:
Its not even hot garbage. Its half a bin of hot garbage.


Half a bin of lukewarm garbage, fuel and extra garbage required to create a true dumpster fire sold separately.



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Wayniac wrote:
Watch it still sell like hotcakes though. If GW has shown anything it's that people will still shovel money at them for garbage and say how awesome it is.
Hah, there is a long history of less-popular GW items sitting on shelves unsold for years. People just use that argument in place of understanding that subjective opinion of product =/= actual value of product.

Consider; Games Workshop rules not so much games but as toolboxes for players to craft an experience from, and open/narrative/matched play just examples of how things can be put together. 
   
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The relevant part of this video pretty much sums up why this book is awful.

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AngryAngel80 wrote:
I don't know, when I see awesome rules, I'm like " Baby, your rules looking so fine. Maybe I gotta add you to my first strike battalion eh ? "
 
   
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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
The relevant part of this video pretty much sums up why this book is awful.


Well, he's a happy chap.....

On the face of it I like the idea of 'active' terrain. I wish more games had it. But... the long-standing issue of Imperium-centric kits, the packaging of building stats separately, and the current collapse of civilization as we know it means that it's probably going to struggle.

Likewise the Crusade book. I like the idea (I quite liked the 'Warzone' books of the second iteration of Apocalypse) but I agree with the grumpy reviewer, it needs a higher ratio of fluff/crunch. (Although I know that everyone's preferred ratio is probably different).
   
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Nah, I don't need tons of fluff in a campaign book.

When playing narrative games I want my opponent and me to be the ones telling the story, I do not reenact someone else's story. In general the crusade book looks rather decent, a good candidate for getting out of shipping fees when the DG codex drops.

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It makes sense from a certain angle that you have your "core rulebook" for Tactical Deployment and then you buy the actual datasheets for the respective Battlezone, just as you do with core rulebook and codizes. At the current price point and what is on offer though, I'll give it a pass.
Eventually I might pick up the terrain to use with the basic terrain rules, because I like the look. Here's hoping that future battlezones will have Xenos buildings. That would be sweet.

 Argive wrote:
Best 40k edition ever guys.. GW said so guys...

Because some additional rules that nobody has to bother with are clearly taking away from the actual core game and rules.
   
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Bad rules shouldn't be celebrated nor given a pass. The "Tactical Terrain" book is worthless, especially given that it is unplayable out of the box (or shrink wrap, rather).

It should have had the terrain rules in there, rather than a complete reprint of the basic 40K rules.

   
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My bad, I meant to say "I will not buy it". I thought it to have the same meaning as "hard pass".
   
 
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