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I'd remember that CSM are secondary antagonists after Daemons, and make Daemons 4W in that situation!

(I tease, ofc, but there is a lot more to chaos than CSM).

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
I'd remember that CSM are secondary antagonists after Daemons, and make Daemons 4W in that situation!

(I tease, ofc, but there is a lot more to chaos than CSM).

Considering the mainline chaos force just got put behind the shed and tasted granpas double barrell...
yeah it makes CSM pretty much the main antagonist still in play.

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
I'd remember that CSM are secondary antagonists after Daemons, and make Daemons 4W in that situation!

(I tease, ofc, but there is a lot more to chaos than CSM).

Considering the mainline chaos force just got put behind the shed and tastd granpas double barrell...
yeah it makes CSM pretty much the main antagonist still in play.

BuT YoU cAn STilL PlaY ThEm As LegENds!!!

 VladimirHerzog wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
I'd remember that CSM are secondary antagonists after Daemons, and make Daemons 4W in that situation!

(I tease, ofc, but there is a lot more to chaos than CSM).

Considering the mainline chaos force just got put behind the shed and tastd granpas double barrell...
yeah it makes CSM pretty much the main antagonist still in play.

BuT YoU cAn STilL PlaY ThEm As LegENds!!!

Yes, yes you can.
You can even break the list more then ever, because nothing screams interactive then running into 18 quad launcher teams and 15 smite bots with basically guaranted casts, which btw cost only 105 pts total.

i swear if legends isn't allready banned near you and doesn't get autobanned simply because the internal balance later on then this list will make it bannable justifieably...

Not Online!!! wrote:

 VladimirHerzog wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
I'd remember that CSM are secondary antagonists after Daemons, and make Daemons 4W in that situation!

(I tease, ofc, but there is a lot more to chaos than CSM).

Considering the mainline chaos force just got put behind the shed and tastd granpas double barrell...
yeah it makes CSM pretty much the main antagonist still in play.

BuT YoU cAn STilL PlaY ThEm As LegENds!!!

Yes, yes you can.
You can even break the list more then ever, because nothing screams interactive then running into 18 quad launcher teams and 15 smite bots with basically guaranted casts, which btw cost only 105 pts total.

i swear if legends isn't allready banned near you and doesn't get autobanned simply because the internal balance later on then this list will make it bannable justifieably...

I'm lucky enough that the people i play with are quite casual so they don't mind about legends. The models that people play most are things like autarchs with actual wargear options, hellforged predators with flamers and mounted chaos lords

So it it’s agreed Leviathan dreadnoughts are still top dogs?

broxus wrote:
So it it’s agreed Leviathan dreadnoughts are still top dogs?

Seems like they could be, but i'll need to play a bit more games with the new rules to judge from a CSM perspective.

They got weaker overall but the pts drop and duty eternal really nullifies the "nerfs".

And being elite instead of heavy also helps a lot for battalions.

Redemptor is top dog.

 Xenomancers wrote:
Redemptor is top dog.

Not in the looks department

Ice_can wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
Redemptor is top dog.

Not in the looks department

I didn't like the Redemptor at first but it's slowly started to look better than the regular Box Dread to be honest. I'm not too big on going after impractical designs in the game. The whole game is impractical. However, those Dreads look like they fall over the moment they try to wobble towards a target, and Redemptors only have the issue of needing just a couple more weapons and a right handed fist.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Ice_can wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
Redemptor is top dog.

Not in the looks department

I didn't like the Redemptor at first but it's slowly started to look better than the regular Box Dread to be honest. I'm not too big on going after impractical designs in the game. The whole game is impractical. However, those Dreads look like they fall over the moment they try to wobble towards a target, and Redemptors only have the issue of needing just a couple more weapons and a right handed fist.

But compaired to a contemptor or Leviathan IMHO it's not even close to looking good enough to compete.

The base contemptors and Levi dreads are pretty meh in my opinion. It's when you get the chapter specific ones that the really shine. The DA versions of both really do it for me ascetically. Same for NL dreads.

Ice_can wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Ice_can wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
Redemptor is top dog.

Not in the looks department

I didn't like the Redemptor at first but it's slowly started to look better than the regular Box Dread to be honest. I'm not too big on going after impractical designs in the game. The whole game is impractical. However, those Dreads look like they fall over the moment they try to wobble towards a target, and Redemptors only have the issue of needing just a couple more weapons and a right handed fist.

But compaired to a contemptor or Leviathan IMHO it's not even close to looking good enough to compete.

The Contemptor was a slow grower for me too, but the Leviathan was instant love as it combined what I liked of Boxnaughts and what I liked about my eventual love of Contemptors.

If there was more shooting weapons + a right hand fist I would at minimum say the Redemptor is equal to the Contemptor for me.

The Leviathan is a very satisfying kit to put together. I would love it to migrate to plastic.

To me, in terms of looks, the Leviathan basically looks like a box-dread wearing one of those orange life-jackets.

Just paint those massive armor panels on either side of the head bright orange with black straps and you'll see what I mean.

 harlokin wrote:
The Leviathan is a very satisfying kit to put together. I would love it to migrate to plastic.

yeah, i the poseability on all FW walkers is miles ahead of anything plastic. I was very pleasantly surprised when i assembled my Contemptors, leviathan and Atrapos

I love all my dreads looks. Redemptor good looking though IMO. It actually looks tough where standard contemptors and box dreads look like toys.

Rules wise though - the redemptor is a beast. 13 W to go with that -1 damage ability and just and amazing amount of firepower. It will crush most anything in melee if it gets to fight.

 Xenomancers wrote:
I love all my dreads looks. Redemptor good looking though IMO. It actually looks tough where standard contemptors and box dreads look like toys.

Rules wise though - the redemptor is a beast. 13 W to go with that -1 damage ability and just and amazing amount of firepower. It will crush most anything in melee if it gets to fight.

yeah, comparing the boxdreads that get 3 quality shots to the 50 shots of the redemptor is pretty ridiculous how big the difference is

 Xenomancers wrote:
I love all my dreads looks. Redemptor good looking though IMO. It actually looks tough where standard contemptors and box dreads look like toys.

Rules wise though - the redemptor is a beast. 13 W to go with that -1 damage ability and just and amazing amount of firepower. It will crush most anything in melee if it gets to fight.

I have been using them in my BA lists and they were really good before the duty eternal change, I have a feeling they will be even better now.

 VladimirHerzog wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
I love all my dreads looks. Redemptor good looking though IMO. It actually looks tough where standard contemptors and box dreads look like toys.

Rules wise though - the redemptor is a beast. 13 W to go with that -1 damage ability and just and amazing amount of firepower. It will crush most anything in melee if it gets to fight.

yeah, comparing the boxdreads that get 3 quality shots to the 50 shots of the redemptor is pretty ridiculous how big the difference is

Regular Boxdreads have basically always been awful though. That's why the complaint about any other Dread being useful is pretty amusing. Marine haters genuinely don't like it when a variation of a Dread is even moderately good.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 VladimirHerzog wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
I love all my dreads looks. Redemptor good looking though IMO. It actually looks tough where standard contemptors and box dreads look like toys.

Rules wise though - the redemptor is a beast. 13 W to go with that -1 damage ability and just and amazing amount of firepower. It will crush most anything in melee if it gets to fight.

yeah, comparing the boxdreads that get 3 quality shots to the 50 shots of the redemptor is pretty ridiculous how big the difference is

Regular Boxdreads have basically always been awful though. That's why the complaint about any other Dread being useful is pretty amusing. Marine haters genuinely don't like it when a variation of a Dread is even moderately good.

I play CSM and i love my dreads, even my boxdred does decent work. I'm happy they got a buff so theyre a more competitive pick.
The big complaint that people had about dreads in my experience is when they were playing against a spam of contemptors/leviathans because they were harder to take down and still relatively cheap (contemptors). Or the abusive Iron hands untargetable mortis or unkillable levis.

i think giving them more resilience at the cost of firepower is a good move for the game overall.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 VladimirHerzog wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
I love all my dreads looks. Redemptor good looking though IMO. It actually looks tough where standard contemptors and box dreads look like toys.

Rules wise though - the redemptor is a beast. 13 W to go with that -1 damage ability and just and amazing amount of firepower. It will crush most anything in melee if it gets to fight.

yeah, comparing the boxdreads that get 3 quality shots to the 50 shots of the redemptor is pretty ridiculous how big the difference is

Regular Boxdreads have basically always been awful though. That's why the complaint about any other Dread being useful is pretty amusing. Marine haters genuinely don't like it when a variation of a Dread is even moderately good.

We needed something between box dread and dual storm cannon leviathan. And now that we might have that, marines are so over the top it doesn't matter.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 VladimirHerzog wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
I love all my dreads looks. Redemptor good looking though IMO. It actually looks tough where standard contemptors and box dreads look like toys.

Rules wise though - the redemptor is a beast. 13 W to go with that -1 damage ability and just and amazing amount of firepower. It will crush most anything in melee if it gets to fight.

yeah, comparing the boxdreads that get 3 quality shots to the 50 shots of the redemptor is pretty ridiculous how big the difference is

Regular Boxdreads have basically always been awful though. That's why the complaint about any other Dread being useful is pretty amusing. Marine haters genuinely don't like it when a variation of a Dread is even moderately good.

I play CSM and i love my dreads, even my boxdred does decent work. I'm happy they got a buff so theyre a more competitive pick.
The big complaint that people had about dreads in my experience is when they were playing against a spam of contemptors/leviathans because they were harder to take down and still relatively cheap (contemptors). Or the abusive Iron hands untargetable mortis or unkillable levis.

i think giving them more resilience at the cost of firepower is a good move for the game overall.

in my store there is a notorious dread spammer that has a gakky attitude so people associated dread lists with him so that doesnt help.

(imagine complaining that 4 kastellan robots with fists managed to kill a single ven dread out of deepstrike with datasmith support lol)


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SecondTime wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 VladimirHerzog wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
I love all my dreads looks. Redemptor good looking though IMO. It actually looks tough where standard contemptors and box dreads look like toys.

Rules wise though - the redemptor is a beast. 13 W to go with that -1 damage ability and just and amazing amount of firepower. It will crush most anything in melee if it gets to fight.

yeah, comparing the boxdreads that get 3 quality shots to the 50 shots of the redemptor is pretty ridiculous how big the difference is

Regular Boxdreads have basically always been awful though. That's why the complaint about any other Dread being useful is pretty amusing. Marine haters genuinely don't like it when a variation of a Dread is even moderately good.

We needed something between box dread and dual storm cannon leviathan. And now that we might have that might, marines are so over the top it doesn't matter.

spiky marines are quite happy about the dread changes overall tho.

Yeah, I'm happy for CSM. It's been a long time for them, really.

SecondTime wrote:
Yeah, I'm happy for CSM. It's been a long time for them, really.

i'm really eager to see what the csm design will look like tomorrow, hopefully the DG previews will shed a bit of light