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Spartan Games could well have released a lot in the years if they'd not been shut down. The problem with SG wasn't releasing new things, they were great at that. The problem with them was keeping up with what they'd released.
You'd get months of them fawning over Dystopian Wars and giving out news of new things coming and then everything would suddenly go silent, deadlines on previews would be missed and they'd shift their entire focus to Firestorm Armada for several months etc... And that was their issue, they kept focusing on new games and big army additions because those likely brought in a lot of sales very quickly; but they were a small operation and didn't' have resources to keep focused on multiple fronts at once. So for all they'd gain for a big focus on one game; they'd lose it on another.
I wasn't their only issue, I believe Niel had some major health problems that took him out of action for a considerable length of time - and in a small operation losing staff like that can be crippling.
Niel had some awesome ideas and SG had some great designers. They had fantastic vision, but lacked resources to make it real. I'm always very sad that they were never able to merge with WC or another major firm - ergo to team up with an investor in the industry.
ZergSmasher wrote: Silly question: has anyone heard if the old ships will be compatible with the new version of the game? Reason I ask is because my FLGS has some of the old stuff on clearance and I might love an excuse to buy it. Sorry if this has already been answered, I'm tired and didn't want to read through the whole thread even if it is only a few pages.
Only as proxies for the new stuff basially (although i'm sure somebody will re-stat them for the new game)
The Imperium Carrier looks great. The Cruiser and BB look like ass. I really feel like they chose to fixate on the wrong parts of the Prussians. Glad I have a few of the older models.
Bonaventure dos look like it's part of a Gothic reboot......
"But me no buts! Our comrades get hurt. Our friends die. Falkenburg is a knight who swore an oath to serve the church and to defend the weak. He'd be the first to tell you to stop puling and start planning. Because what we are doing-at risk to ourselves-is what we have sworn to do. The West relies on us. It is a risk we take with pride. It is an oath we honour. Even when some soft southern burgher mutters about us, we know the reason he sleeps soft and comfortable, why his wife is able to complain about the price of cabbages as her most serious problem and why his children dare to throw dung and yell "Knot" when we pass. It's because we are what we are. For all our faults we stand for law and light.
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NGL, having read the new background (the full one, not the horrible early blurbs year back) and seeing the new models, I'm excited now. If only the LGS didn't have "due to brexit, this pre-order may be delayed 2 more weeks" on the starter.
Man, I've never heard of this game but that unboxing and those sprues (and the resin quality lookin good) has me really interested. I loved the short lived Dreadfleet box set...
I think its because smaller ships can be sold en-mass whilst big ships cannot.
At the same time they weren't going to do plastic originally for the launch ships, they were going to be resin as well. That only changed because Corona basically delayed the release date by a year so they worked on the plastic components and pushed them through into production. As I recall originally it was a delay of packing components and such with the first outbreak of Corona coupled to the lack of events and such which made them choose to delay launch. Granted whilst this year we've not got events back, it is clear that the big conventions likely won't return until 2022 or very late 2021 at best in some countries. So it makes sense to get it out the door.
There are some buried in the discussions on their FB page, there's also some details in the faction descriptions on the website and in the resources download there's the "cover art" for each of the first battlefleet boxes
Man does that mean this will be the only plastic? Cause I'm 1000% scarred by resin. Though the nature of these flat bottom ships would lend itself bigly to clean resin casts. I have nightmares about mold slips in my soul.
axotl wrote: Man does that mean this will be the only plastic? Cause I'm 1000% scarred by resin. Though the nature of these flat bottom ships would lend itself bigly to clean resin casts. I have nightmares about mold slips in my soul.
The resin ships are awesome.
Because of their nature the mould lines is basically the waterline at the bottom of the model so they are super easy to clean up and prepare. Was like that in the Spartan Games day too - the sea ships are great for resin casting.
Plastic is very good quality too - its honestly akin to GW's plastic in terms of its nature and feel.
Also the size is fantastic, the ships are wider than they were in the past, the deck guns on a battleship have a lot of room around them; they look VERY warship like. We've also had it confirmed that the whale tokens will eventually get models and that leviathans - bigger than battleships - are coming at some stage (likely a year off and more since this first year is all about getting core battlefleets out for each faction).
Not a huge fan of ships larger than BBs (they always just end up BB guns stuck on way too much HP in my experience, regardless if in space or water), but hey, we'll see.
I thought it was Dreadnoughts in Dystopian and Leviathans in Firestorm?
Either way, have to agree with Cronch - "bigger than battleships" is a somewhat overused design trope that seems to stem from a lack of understanding that Dreadnoughts and Battleships were essentially the same damned thing.
CoALabaer wrote: Wargamers hate two things: the state of the game and change.
chaos0xomega wrote: I thought it was Dreadnoughts in Dystopian and Leviathans in Firestorm?
Either way, have to agree with Cronch - "bigger than battleships" is a somewhat overused design trope that seems to stem from a lack of understanding that Dreadnoughts and Battleships were essentially the same damned thing.
Sorry yes Dreadnoughts in Dystopian and in Firestorm
Leviathans were even bigger in Firestorm but were only ever teased and never released - Stewart has confirmed that they are on the cards with WC though! Granted FA is a year away from initial release at best so likely years before we see them.
Yea models larger than a subway sammich are dumb. I may be biased because it was my first naval game but BFG hit the right spot for me, plenty big to show off detail but not too much bumping into eachother and overlapping (admittedly overlapping is a bigger issue in space games where shps are considered points, not so much in naval where hulls are in scale with the table). Firestorm just went stupid big.
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I think in DW its a problem of scale. At 1/1200 f you want to include a ship the size of the Yamato, you're looking at 8-9" in length right off the bat. If you want to imply the existence of something monstrously large, then... well, you're going to need a bigger boat and a subway sandwich sized ship becomes unavoidable.
CoALabaer wrote: Wargamers hate two things: the state of the game and change.
Well unless subway has downsized the largest ship right now is around 5.5 inches, so not even half a sub. Dreadnoughts I suspect might be a few inches longer so we are still well short of 12 inch subs.
Heck a Slaanesh hellflayer chariot is longer on just the blades.
