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I was planning to watch Hathaway with my Gundam viewing partner this week. but turns out he never saw CCA. So now this week is going to be CCA so that he can have his true Hathaway hatred fresh in his mind before starting Hathaways flash. lol
   
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I thought it was OK, so far. Good to see all the involved parties are donkey-caves that don't really mind much to fight it out inside populated areas and cause enormous amounts of civilian casualties, even so one goes "sorry, y'all" before the fact. But the "defenders" shooting down with entirely too big weapons towards a city take the cake.

Anyways. Gigi Andalucia.

Gigi. Andalucia. Pfffft. Ahahahahahahahah, oh my god, that surname. I literally can't take anything seriously after that.
   
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And her personality is a slightly less agitating version of Quess Paraya. Or maybe she's exactly the same as Quess Paraya. The plot just doesn't make most of the middle arc about how everyone wants her to the point of completely sidelining their own goals so she's nowhere near as agitating.

   
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By way of explanation: Andalucía is one of the autonomies that comprise Spain as a country. Unlike, say, Washington, the name does not come from anyone, but is instead derived from the old Al-Andalus. It is very much not, and never has been, a surname.

It's kinda like being called... dunno, Etienne Tokyo, or something like that ^^

Incidentally, Japan IS a surname in Spain XD (the people with it are descendants of japanese sailors that came with a diplomatic delegation at the end of the XVIIth century).

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You know I never would have thought of that. I recall Andalucia being a location / autonomy but never would have guessed it's a weird surname. Gundam always has weird and unusual names, perhaps Bask Om should really be Basque Om?

Interesting info on the Japanese sailors taking their country as a surname. Perhaps in the universal century as the world united into the Federation people began adopting surnames towards their region or nationality as a sign of remembrance or identity.
   
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It might very well at least be a justification, but it will still make me giggle ^^
   
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Oh certainly, if I saw someone named Joe America or Sturgill Appalachia I'd be chuckling just the same at the absurdity of it.

Well, outside of G Gundam of course where absurdity is the prize.
   
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First, the animation quality was very good IMHO.

I will echo the comment about the positive impact that deciding to focus in on the view of the MS action from a human’s ground level perspective. It gave one of the best impressions of scale and horror I have seen in the Gundam universe to date. Even watching the birds eye view of the MS aerial fights, having seen the view from ground level and then seeing the tracers of the shots or the beam rifle shots missing their target and then landing in the city below indiscriminately I think really added some extra gravitas to the fight and the underlying theme that war is hell.

Then when they switched to in cockpit FPS views, I seemed to get a real sense of claustrophobia combined with information overload from the HUD along with the tension of fighting at night. In a story where it seems any “kid” is able to get into a MS and is a natural from the get-go, it was refreshing to get a sense of just how much a pilot in that situation is having to manage, irrespective of the seemingly abundant supply of teen prodigies.

Though it sounds like the slow pace was a bit off putting to some, I appreciate the attempt at characterization along with mystery they were trying to achieve despite the big spoiler of Hathaway’s role. I felt at the end of the movie invested in seeing where the characters stories go from here, what are their deeper motivations, and how their interpersonal relationships will play out.

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Then when they switched to in cockpit FPS views, I seemed to get a real sense of claustrophobia combined with information overload from the HUD along with the tension of fighting at night. In a story where it seems any “kid” is able to get into a MS and is a natural from the get-go, it was refreshing to get a sense of just how much a pilot in that situation is having to manage, irrespective of the seemingly abundant supply of teen prodigies.


That is also a thing that bugged me a bit, i understand why they did it story wise for marketing but one of the reasons why my favorite UC gundam series like 0083 make sense is that even the main character although green when it comes to actual combat is a trained military test pilot. same goes for Christina Mackenzie from 0080, Shiro Amada from 08th MS team etc...

I think they justify it a bit with Amuro, Kamille, and Banagher all of whom had experience with the gundam development through their fathers who built them.



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The original Gundam which kicked off the real robot genre still had a lot of Super Robot trappings so we have the classic protagonist's father built the robot. Amuro also would look through his father's computer and pull up information.

For Kamille he would compete in design and even piloting competitions for the little mobile workers they had. There was also the hang-glider competition they had going on.

For Banagher I'd say it was just a case of the Unicorn not really needing a pilot, it's relatively ineffective (scoring a kill because of the absurd power of the beam magnum) until the NT-D kicks on.
   
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I am watching the OG Compilation series, and Amaru (sp?) has his Father's technical book, has his own gift with technology (as he is frequently doing the technical work himself), and is rumored to be a New Type of human evolution. Therefore, not just any kid could have gotten into the Gundam and been successful.

However, the Gundam can take blows other Mobile Suits can not survive for reasons not fully explained. They only mention that it has strong armor, but not much else. So, that hints at some of those "Super Robot" roots.

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The RX78-2 combines several massive technological revolutions.

The first is they miniaturized a battleship beam cannon to be used by a mobile suit. This is the Beam Rifle that shocks everyone who encounters it in the first few episodes. Previously Zeon had a supreme edge by developing MS but now their enemy, the Federation, has not only completely a Mobile Suit but they managed to arm it with a miniature battleship beam cannon and a generator to support it as well.

The second major technological revolution is what's called Luna Titanium which comes up a lot in the TV show and I believe it also gets mentioned in the compilation movies. Luna Titanium is a special type of Titanium that can only be made in space and thus is super expensive. Luna Titanium is also useful in technology development of their mobile suits fusion reactors, I'd have to dig up a few sources for more info on that.

It is usually described as stronger, lighter or both when compared to regular titanium / titanium ceramic composites. Most importantly is its durability. The material is incredibly resilient to ballistic weapons so the Zaku machine gun literally causes no visible damage even at point blank range. Luna Titanium is near-impervious to machine guns although one of the most recent PG manuals mentions that the armor will fail eventually due to sustained fire.

Luna-Titanium is so incredible that it is renamed to Gundarium after the war in honor of the Gundam. It starts getting rolled out onto other Mobile Suits, along with some variants like the lightweight Gundarium Gamma during the events of Zeta Gundam. However, during that point beam weapons become common-place so the material is not as impressive as it was during the one year war (OYW).

If you're ever interested in obscure Gundam technology trivia Mark Simmons has some really great information. Here's an example on Mobile Suit Development. http://ultimatemark.com/gundam/archive/zetagundam3.html

   
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Thanks, the Beam Cannon is mentioned about what makes it great.... not in any detail, but the way the Zeon react gets the point across. Plus, it just owns stuff. The armor is also carried by how the Zeon react to it in the compilation films. No need for an in-depth explanation based on what they show..... to me anyway.

Thanks for the info though as it will help me understand as I move beyond the initial series.

The only thing I really recall the Compilation going out of its way to explain is how Minovsky particles obscure detection and long range targeting so combat has to get "up-close" and personal. That was the advantage of the MS. Therefore, when they mention Minovsky Particles later, they make a bit of sense to what they are talking about.

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On a tangent, I'm seriously surprised nobody tried to license a wargame version of Gundam yet. It should be perfect--small skirmishes that can happen in a wide variety of environments, with colorful mecha designs, and lots of named characters who can personalise a force.

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Oh yeah the compilation movies have to cut a lot by they do their best retaining the core concepts and do a good job with the show don't tell as you mention.

Minovsky particles are a very fun piece that makes the whole setting work. How do you justify using up-close and personal warfare with giant robots? Well, you make a particle that interferes with radar, communication, and tends to destroy non-shielded electronics making guided missiles and long range sensors almost impossible. Minovksy particles themselves are based off of Muons with some added twists to make the universe work.

 Elemental wrote:
On a tangent, I'm seriously surprised nobody tried to license a wargame version of Gundam yet. It should be perfect--small skirmishes that can happen in a wide variety of environments, with colorful mecha designs, and lots of named characters who can personalise a force.


Hey that's a fun tangent. There were a few Gundam simulation games released in Japan in the 1980s made by the same companies who made WW2 tabletop games. You can read more about it here:

Gundam has always been a passion of mine so I put together a free set of wargame rules for Mechs. The rules are here, and there are also some pre-generated profiles for Gundam units located there as well. The roster is small at the moment but new units are being added each week. If you end up giving it a try I'd love to hear any feedback you have in this thread over here.

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There's a few fan made projects that make Gundam TTGs. Beam Saber, a hack of Blades in the Dark, is basically a fan made Gundam TTRPG. Mobile Frame Zero is a simple rule set that can be used to simulate Gundams in a wargame type set up.

   
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 Elemental wrote:
On a tangent, I'm seriously surprised nobody tried to license a wargame version of Gundam yet. It should be perfect--small skirmishes that can happen in a wide variety of environments, with colorful mecha designs, and lots of named characters who can personalise a force.


There have been multiple Gundam wargames. Also multiple RPGs, one of them using the Mekton system, licensed from Talsorian Games.

In Japan.

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 Elemental wrote:
On a tangent, I'm seriously surprised nobody tried to license a wargame version of Gundam yet. It should be perfect--small skirmishes that can happen in a wide variety of environments, with colorful mecha designs, and lots of named characters who can personalise a force.


I used heavy metal pro and the official mobile suit stats to put them into the classic battletech system, it works quite well.

Then i just used some of the toys and presto-TT gundam battles.


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 Elemental wrote:
On a tangent, I'm seriously surprised nobody tried to license a wargame version of Gundam yet. It should be perfect--small skirmishes that can happen in a wide variety of environments, with colorful mecha designs, and lots of named characters who can personalise a force.


Right before the pandamic hit a company tried to kickstart a game called GunplaTop. It eventually became MechaTop and has rules to turn basically any Gundam/Transformers/PowerRangers/etc model into a unit for the game. According to the developers of the game, they have an active contract with Bandai/Sunrise to continue development of GunplaTop. However, Bandai apparently wanted to limit the game to only UC/Historical style gameplay and they also wanted to restrict the game to models that used like a 1/220 scale rather than the HG 1/144 scale that GunplaTop was written to use. So MechaTop is now a real product that you can buy and play and GunplaTop is in some kind of development hell until it either gets secretly cancelled or Bandai/Sunrise decide to officially announce it.
   
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balmong7 wrote:
 Elemental wrote:
On a tangent, I'm seriously surprised nobody tried to license a wargame version of Gundam yet. It should be perfect--small skirmishes that can happen in a wide variety of environments, with colorful mecha designs, and lots of named characters who can personalise a force.


Right before the pandamic hit a company tried to kickstart a game called GunplaTop. It eventually became MechaTop and has rules to turn basically any Gundam/Transformers/PowerRangers/etc model into a unit for the game. According to the developers of the game, they have an active contract with Bandai/Sunrise to continue development of GunplaTop. However, Bandai apparently wanted to limit the game to only UC/Historical style gameplay and they also wanted to restrict the game to models that used like a 1/220 scale rather than the HG 1/144 scale that GunplaTop was written to use. So MechaTop is now a real product that you can buy and play and GunplaTop is in some kind of development hell until it either gets secretly cancelled or Bandai/Sunrise decide to officially announce it.


That seems likely, mostly because it's the scale they're already using in the japanese game for the gachas.
   
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 Albertorius wrote:


That seems likely, mostly because it's the scale they're already using in the japanese game for the gachas.


I mean I'm down for any official gundam game, no matter the scale. I guess Bandai just figured rules alone wouldn't turn enough profit, so it needed it's own model line to justify any investment.


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So I just scrolled back through the facebook group for Mechatop and it looks Bandai did cancel GunplaTop.

Apparently Sunrise could not get Bandai to approve the license for utilizing Gunpla models because "Gunpla are meant to be displayed they are not game pieces."

The devs of GunplaTop were informed that in order to utilize the license for Gundam they would have to produce their own model line, and they aren't a large enough studio for that. So that is why they just released the generic MechaTop system. Since it had no license or permissions from Bandai required. lol.

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Just finished the first 3 compilation movies from 1981.

I can see why it is a big deal.

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I've come across some random Gundam figure parts in a toy lot I picked up for my son. If I posted them here do you think you all could help identify them?

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 Easy E wrote:
Just finished the first 3 compilation movies from 1981.

I can see why it is a big deal.


Gundam is also known by the name "Japanese Star Wars"

   
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 LordofHats wrote:
 Easy E wrote:
Just finished the first 3 compilation movies from 1981.

I can see why it is a big deal.


Gundam is also known by the name "Japanese Star Wars"


It was interesting to compare and contrast it to Macross. There are some similarities and some big differences. As things in the same genre often do.

However, I just do not have the energy to put on my pretentious hat now and make those comparisons. I will leave it up to others if they wish to do so.

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 Eilif wrote:
I've come across some random Gundam figure parts in a toy lot I picked up for my son. If I posted them here do you think you all could help identify them?


That we can help with post away.




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 Eilif wrote:
I've come across some random Gundam figure parts in a toy lot I picked up for my son. If I posted them here do you think you all could help identify them?


If you post them here I'm sure we'll be able to identify them.

In Gundam news Super Robot Wars 30 will be coming out globally (except for Venezuela it seems). Preorders have gone up on Steam here: https://store.steampowered.com/app/898750/Super_Robot_Wars_30/

For those of you who have never heard of Super Robot Wars (SRW) it is a SRPG similar to Fire Emblem that puts multiple Mecha Anime series together into one game and tries to blend in the core themes of their stories into a shared universe. For example the last one I played had Gundam joining forces with Voltron to defeat the bad guys from the Tekkaman Blade universe. While Hathaway's Flash isn't going to be in this release it does include several UC Gundam series including the original, Zeta Gundam, Char's Counterattack and Victory Gundam.

Since there are so many series smashed together bringing it stateside was always thought to be impossible due to licensing issues. I plan on picking it up and I'm hopeful they will continue releasing more of them. For anyone considering jumping into the series the games are pretty fun and not too hard, if you're a Fire Emblem veteran you shouldn't run into any issues.



   
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I finished Char's Counter-attack which also feels like a compilation. I feel like I missed something between Gundam III and Char's Counter-attack though.

Is the next one Victory Gundam?

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 Easy E wrote:
I finished Char's Counter-attack which also feels like a compilation. I feel like I missed something between Gundam III and Char's Counter-attack though.

Is the next one Victory Gundam?


Wow you missed soo much


so i am assuming you first watched the origin on hulu?

then there are the side stories of the one year war that were going on at the same time as the gundam compilation movies you watched

thunderbolt

https://otaku-streamers.com/info/6304/Kidou_Senshi_Gundam_Thunderbolt

the MS igloo series

https://otaku-streamers.com/info/3526/Kidou_Senshi_Gundam_MS_IGLOO:_1-nen_Sensou_Hiroku

https://otaku-streamers.com/info/3534/Kidou_Senshi_Gundam_MS_IGLOO:_Mokushiroku_0079

https://otaku-streamers.com/info/3879/Kidou_Senshi_Gundam_MS_IGLOO_2:_Juuryoku_Sensen

the 08th ms team

https://otaku-streamers.com/info/3372/Kidou_Senshi_Gundam:_Dai_08_MS_Shoutai

0080 war in the pocket

https://otaku-streamers.com/info/4168/Kidou_Senshi_Gundam_0080:_War_in_the_Pocket


Then the in between link series that ties the one year war tv show to the zeta tv show

0083 stardust memory

https://otaku-streamers.com/info/3346/Kidou_Senshi_Gundam_0083:_Stardust_Memory

then
zeta

https://otaku-streamers.com/info/2870/Kidou_Senshi_Zeta_Gundam

double zeta

https://otaku-streamers.com/info/3601/Kidou_Senshi_Gundam_ZZ

Then you get to chars counter attack

then it is gundam unicorn or the TV episode edit version UC 0096

https://otaku-streamers.com/info/6410/Kidou_Senshi_Gundam_UC_RE:0096

Then hathaway (on netflix)

THEN you get to victory gundam.

https://otaku-streamers.com/info/4167/Kidou_Senshi_Victory_Gundam

In that order in the timeline


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I see. Well, I do not have access to all of those so.......

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