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 The Red Hobbit wrote:
we may see a rules light 40k Combat Patrol turn into the new gateway into 40k.

I mean, it's literally right there in the rulebook, but for some reason the internet's obsessed with pretending that 2K Tournament Pack Matched Play is the only way to play 40K
   
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 IanMalcolmAbs wrote:
What is the new Dakka Dakka rule?


The new rule is you get rapid fire, but with less shots at half range.

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 Jidmah wrote:
 IanMalcolmAbs wrote:
What is the new Dakka Dakka rule?


The new rule is you get rapid fire, but with less shots at half range.

Rapid fire but with less shots? Is it like +1 shot at half range or something?
   
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 IanMalcolmAbs wrote:
 Jidmah wrote:
 IanMalcolmAbs wrote:
What is the new Dakka Dakka rule?


The new rule is you get rapid fire, but with less shots at half range.

Rapid fire but with less shots? Is it like +1 shot at half range or something?


depends on the gun. Shootas are 2 shots at long range, 3 shots at short range. A gorkanaut/morkanaut gun is 20 at long, 30 at short iirc. Another is 12 long, 16 short.

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Rihgu wrote:
 IanMalcolmAbs wrote:
 Jidmah wrote:
 IanMalcolmAbs wrote:
What is the new Dakka Dakka rule?


The new rule is you get rapid fire, but with less shots at half range.

Rapid fire but with less shots? Is it like +1 shot at half range or something?


depends on the gun. Shootas are 2 shots at long range, 3 shots at short range. A gorkanaut/morkanaut gun is 20 at long, 30 at short iirc. Another is 12 long, 16 short.
So they changed the weapon profiles of all these weapons - but took away exploding 6's?

   
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I feel the most optimistic take on Shoota Boyz is that a min-sized mob in a Trukk doing what Obsec minis in transports do for all armies *might* have a place.

Still am kind of left feeling its a shooty unit with inferior shooting, that sort of holds up okay to S4 shooting but is clearly paying for assault potential that just isn't obviously there.

But special rules and synergies could surprise.
   
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 Nazrak wrote:
 The Red Hobbit wrote:
we may see a rules light 40k Combat Patrol turn into the new gateway into 40k.

I mean, it's literally right there in the rulebook, but for some reason the internet's obsessed with pretending that 2K Tournament Pack Matched Play is the only way to play 40K


Took the words outta my keyboard Naz. I quite like 25 PL Crusade battles.
   
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Nazrak wrote:
 The Red Hobbit wrote:
we may see a rules light 40k Combat Patrol turn into the new gateway into 40k.

I mean, it's literally right there in the rulebook, but for some reason the internet's obsessed with pretending that 2K Tournament Pack Matched Play is the only way to play 40K

Wait, you can play something other than that??????? Mind blown.
But the interwebs say i need to start with 2k pro-tourney list I found on facebook......?
   
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PenitentJake wrote:
 Nazrak wrote:
 The Red Hobbit wrote:
we may see a rules light 40k Combat Patrol turn into the new gateway into 40k.

I mean, it's literally right there in the rulebook, but for some reason the internet's obsessed with pretending that 2K Tournament Pack Matched Play is the only way to play 40K


Took the words outta my keyboard Naz. I quite like 25 PL Crusade battles.

Some of my fave games of 8th were using the Open War deck. Sometimes it's fun to bring out all the toys but these days I'd rather play smaller games and not be under as much time pressure.
   
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Yeah, I was thinking of picking up the open war deck- there are Dakkanauts who swear by it. I think it would be a great tool to have in the tool box- even for a die hard Crusader like me.
   
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Open war deck all day everyday.

   
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unless somebody is trying to do tournament practice I try to steer all games to open war.

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Haven't tried the new one yet – despite buying it as soon as 9th dropped – due to *gestures at everything* but I'm planning on cracking into it now I've popped my 9th cherry as of last week.
   
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Dang, well you folks have far different FLGS than the ones I've been into. From all the shops I've played at warlord traits, relics, extravagent amounts of CP pre-battle buffs on a 1000/1500/2000pt armies have been the standard not the exception.

Still looking forward to trying Crusade at some point.
   
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 The Red Hobbit wrote:
Dang, well you folks have far different FLGS than the ones I've been into. From all the shops I've played at warlord traits, relics, extravagent amounts of CP pre-battle buffs on a 1000/1500/2000pt armies have been the standard not the exception.

Still looking forward to trying Crusade at some point.

Obviously I can't speak with any degree of authority for your situation, but you might be pleasantly surprised how open people are to doing things outside the "norm" if you throw the suggestions out there.
   
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 catbarf wrote:


SemperMortis wrote:DDD is now a nerf at mid to max range and a buff at incredibly short range. Case and Point. At 10-18' range, 30 shoota boyz w/ old shootas got 23.3 hits, now they get 20. At 1-9' range they still got 23.3 hits, now they will get 30. Good luck getting all those boyz into range AND good luck not Fething your charge up afterwards.


To be clear, you're looking at 86% of prior damage at over half range, and 129% at under half range. So, the boost at under half range is double the nerf at over half range; you just need to get there.

If Bad Moons are getting +6" range as the leak said, plus bonus AP on 6s to wound, I'd expect them to be the go-to for armies with Shoota Boyz.


Correct, but that 86% is the vast majority of shooting that will occur in the game. Even with Bad Moonz and their +6 range its still going to be hard to get shoota boyz into half range. And now with the massive nerf to morale, its likely you won't see large mobz of shoota boyz. I'm getting my codex tomorrow, but I have a plan to make shooting Tankbustas/flashgitz at least somewhat viable. But I want the rules in hand to run it over before I do anything

 Xenomancers wrote:
It is utterly idiotic...like 8.5 ironhands idiotic to include this rule. I can assure you within 1 month it will be nerfed too...to only be DA characters...which is fine for a free rule that no other marines get...

Just cant stand these snow flake marines anymore.
 
   
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I'm super happy for all you ork players out there, enjoy and hope the costs don't kill you all too much.
   
 
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