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Killer Klaivex




The dark behind the eyes.

All armies:
- Special Characters (on principle)
- Anything Lord of War
- Aircraft
- Anything from Forge World (don't own any, can't afford them)

Dark Eldar:
- Haemonculi (because the new rules - i.e. removing their wargear options entirely - bore me to death)
- Archon (Or at least I would if I could possibly help it because their rules suck an entire barrel of dicks.)
- Beasts (their rules are still a load of arse and, due to the unique genius of GW's writing, the only HQ that can buff them is an Archon who reads them Vect's poetry.)

Necrons:
- Most of the vehicles besides the Triarch Stalker and the CCB/Annihilation Barge (Not a fan of the current vehicle design, though for reasons I won't go into I do own a CCB/Annihilation Barge and I have a converted Triarch Stalker so I might as well make use of them).
- Flayed Ones (Never appealed to me)
- Most of the most recent releases, with the exception of Chronomancers (most of it just seems like a lot of stuff all competing for the same niche and a niche I already have Wraiths for, whilst Plazmancers and Psychomancers (seriously?) don't appear to any worthwhile role at all.)

Imperial Guard:
- Ogryns and Bullgryns (Don't own them and they don't fit with any of my current themes.)
- Hydra (because I'm not playing 7th edition)
- Manticore et al. (I'm always a little wary that these sorts of units tend to end up creating un-fun lists and I prefer infantry-guard anyway.)
- Deathstrike (I'd actually really like to use one of these as a super-weapon but by god are its rules awful.)

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I will respect human rights and trans people but I will never under any circumstances use the phrase 'folks' or 'ya'll'. I would rather be killed by firing squad.



 the_scotsman wrote:
Yeah, when i read the small novel that is the Death Guard unit options and think about resolving the attacks from a melee-oriented min size death guard squad, the thing that springs to mind is "Accessible!"

 Argive wrote:
GW seems to have a crystal ball and just pulls hairbrained ideas out of their backside for the most part.


 Andilus Greatsword wrote:

"Prepare to open fire at that towering Wraithknight!"
"ARE YOU DAFT MAN!?! YOU MIGHT HIT THE MEN WHO COME UP TO ITS ANKLES!!!"


Akiasura wrote:
I hate to sound like a serial killer, but I'll be reaching for my friend occam's razor yet again.


 insaniak wrote:

You're not. If you're worried about your opponent using 'fake' rules, you're having fun the wrong way. This hobby isn't about rules. It's about buying Citadel miniatures.

Please report to your nearest GW store for attitude readjustment. Take your wallet.
 
   
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 vipoid wrote:
- Anything from Forge World (don't own any, can't afford them)
I think maybe a decade ago that would make sense, but FW are not only common but a lot of times indistinguishable from GW prices.

Seems like an odd self-imposed limitation.

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I've already said earlier in this thread that I don't have any first born marines (with the exception of a squad of scouts), but reading other replies and thinking more about it I can't see myself buying any Lords of War, Aircraft or Forge World models.

If I was to start a new faction, I'd be unlikely to but any of the above either, in addition, nothing finecast.
   
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Any sort of aircraft/flyers regardless of codex. I don't like them being in the game and I don't like how they play either. More of a suspension of disbelief thing than anything else; the rules just don't work in a way such that flyers mesh with gameplay effectively.

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For my armies, these are the units I probably wouldn't take even in casual play:
Space Marines/Dark Angels:
-Assault Squads. These are just so...bad. Especially compared to other melee units.
-Deathwing Strikemaster. Basically just a Deathwing analog to the Ravenwing Talonmaster, but without any of what makes Talonmasters so good.
-Centurions (either type). Dark Angels have Deathwing, which outperform Centurions on so many levels it's not funny. Maybe other chapters can make these work, but IMO they are worthless as Dark Angels.
-Scout Bikes. I actually really liked these in 8th, but they are really bad now, especially in a chapter that has Ravenwing available.
-Reivers. The models are awesome, but they really need better rules and/or a price drop. Other melee units DA (or indeed other chapters) have will outperform them every time.

Space Wolves:
-Skyclaws. See Assault Squads above. Feel even worse when Jump Pack Wolf Guard are a thing.
-Bikes. I feel like regular old Bikes aren't thematic enough for Space Wolves. I'd rather just take ThunderCav.
-Krom Dragongaze. For a SW character, he just doesn't seem very good or even fun to take.

Sisters of Battle:
-Battle Sanctum. Hard to even use on most tables, and doesn't seem any good even if it is usable.
-Aestred Thurga and Agathae Dolan. Cool models, but not very good in-game.

Astra Militarum:
-Special Weapon Squads. If I want something like this, I'll just take Scions or Veterans/Command Squads.
-Leman Russ Eradicator/Vanquisher/Exterminator. These are just bad compared to the other Russ variants. The others do literally everything better.
-Deathstrikes. No, just no.

My armies (re-counted and updated on 11/1/23, including modeled wargear options):
Dark Angels: ~15000 Astra Militarum: ~1200 | Adeptus Custodes: ~1900 | Imperial Knights: ~2000 | Sisters of Battle: ~3500 | Leagues of Votann: ~1200 | Tyranids: ~2600 | Stormcast Eternals: ~5000
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I have the most experience with the Chaos Space Marines and I refuse to take Chaos Cultists.

For one, GW seems to view them the same way a Chaos Lord would: A chaff unit that doesn't even get the privilege of having a proper box kit. They're either cheese or useless, with very little middle ground since they were introduced, and they muddy up the essence of what it means to be a Chaos Space Marine.

Just a mess of a unit from inception to now.
   
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Looks at Renegades and Heretics legends list trashfire ash.... Yeah don't field anything in there anymore. Because it completely goes against what R&H were supposed to be, absolutely sucks, somehow is worse than its 8th edition incarnation which was already an absolute trashfire...
Yeah, i didn't pick anything in there because i quite literally switched that army to the GSC dumpster fire because of playability and support.... I guess there i'd be hard pressed to actually use my "count as Abberrants". at 30 pts / modell they just ... suck.

As for CSM.. Since i have a "cultist army" i don't play cultists there beyond some exception. I guess the normal SM tanks i don't touch anymore... not for lack of trying but simply because they haven't been good in ages...
I think cult marines are those that i'd never touch nowadays. Since they lost the capability to be made into troops they just kinda, suck in CSM lists. Unless its a khorne berzerker which are two decades old...

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GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
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The dark behind the eyes.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 vipoid wrote:
- Anything from Forge World (don't own any, can't afford them)
I think maybe a decade ago that would make sense, but FW are not only common but a lot of times indistinguishable from GW prices.


What makes you think I'm buying normal GW products at full price?

 blood reaper wrote:
I will respect human rights and trans people but I will never under any circumstances use the phrase 'folks' or 'ya'll'. I would rather be killed by firing squad.



 the_scotsman wrote:
Yeah, when i read the small novel that is the Death Guard unit options and think about resolving the attacks from a melee-oriented min size death guard squad, the thing that springs to mind is "Accessible!"

 Argive wrote:
GW seems to have a crystal ball and just pulls hairbrained ideas out of their backside for the most part.


 Andilus Greatsword wrote:

"Prepare to open fire at that towering Wraithknight!"
"ARE YOU DAFT MAN!?! YOU MIGHT HIT THE MEN WHO COME UP TO ITS ANKLES!!!"


Akiasura wrote:
I hate to sound like a serial killer, but I'll be reaching for my friend occam's razor yet again.


 insaniak wrote:

You're not. If you're worried about your opponent using 'fake' rules, you're having fun the wrong way. This hobby isn't about rules. It's about buying Citadel miniatures.

Please report to your nearest GW store for attitude readjustment. Take your wallet.
 
   
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 vipoid wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 vipoid wrote:
- Anything from Forge World (don't own any, can't afford them)
I think maybe a decade ago that would make sense, but FW are not only common but a lot of times indistinguishable from GW prices.


What makes you think I'm buying normal GW products at full price?


when you're dealing with a hundred dollar model, 15 bucks or so really isn't that big a differace

Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two 
   
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 vipoid wrote:
What makes you think I'm buying normal GW products at full price?
Fair point, but why single out Forge World items? I mean, 'Forge World' could mean anything, as they make unit types from across most of the factions and in various sizes, from small infantry to enormous super-heavy aircraft and titans. Seems weird to cut off an entire suite of different units just because they come from a GW sub-company.

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 vipoid wrote:
What makes you think I'm buying normal GW products at full price?
Fair point, but why single out Forge World items? I mean, 'Forge World' could mean anything, as they make unit types from across most of the factions and in various sizes, from small infantry to enormous super-heavy aircraft and titans. Seems weird to cut off an entire suite of different units just because they come from a GW sub-company.


Maybe he just hates working with resin?

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The dark behind the eyes.

BrianDavion wrote:
when you're dealing with a hundred dollar model, 15 bucks or so really isn't that big a differace


I fear I'm not sure what you're getting at here.


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 vipoid wrote:
What makes you think I'm buying normal GW products at full price?
Fair point, but why single out Forge World items? I mean, 'Forge World' could mean anything, as they make unit types from across most of the factions and in various sizes, from small infantry to enormous super-heavy aircraft and titans. Seems weird to cut off an entire suite of different units just because they come from a GW sub-company.


That's fair. However, these days I tend to get most of my models from ebay and I just rarely ever see FW stuff there at all.

Also, whilst I realise FW makes a spectrum of units, for the armies I actually play they mainly seem to just do big vehicles/creatures, which I'm not a fan of.

Also also, I haven't forgiven them for squatting Corsairs.


 blood reaper wrote:
I will respect human rights and trans people but I will never under any circumstances use the phrase 'folks' or 'ya'll'. I would rather be killed by firing squad.



 the_scotsman wrote:
Yeah, when i read the small novel that is the Death Guard unit options and think about resolving the attacks from a melee-oriented min size death guard squad, the thing that springs to mind is "Accessible!"

 Argive wrote:
GW seems to have a crystal ball and just pulls hairbrained ideas out of their backside for the most part.


 Andilus Greatsword wrote:

"Prepare to open fire at that towering Wraithknight!"
"ARE YOU DAFT MAN!?! YOU MIGHT HIT THE MEN WHO COME UP TO ITS ANKLES!!!"


Akiasura wrote:
I hate to sound like a serial killer, but I'll be reaching for my friend occam's razor yet again.


 insaniak wrote:

You're not. If you're worried about your opponent using 'fake' rules, you're having fun the wrong way. This hobby isn't about rules. It's about buying Citadel miniatures.

Please report to your nearest GW store for attitude readjustment. Take your wallet.
 
   
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Vigo. Spain.

IS easy to find GW products with discounts or discount boxes like cristhmas or start Collecting.
FW has None of that so even if by now the prices arent that different (tought 5 DA HH terminstors from.FW are 84€ VS 45€ from.gw) FW keep being higher if you most buy GW looking for discounts.

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Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.

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A unit that I'll never field no matter how good it happens to be at the moment is the Necron Tomb Blades. Can't think of anything more out-of-theme for Necrons than dudes riding bikes, and it doesn't help that the model just looks dumb on its own too.
   
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 Galas wrote:
IS easy to find GW products with discounts or discount boxes like cristhmas or start Collecting.
FW has None of that so even if by now the prices arent that different (tought 5 DA HH terminstors from.FW are 84€ VS 45€ from.gw) FW keep being higher if you most buy GW looking for discounts.


Oddly enough I have the opposit expirance. It is very hard to get your hands on limited GW products or good start collecting or starter sets like Indomitus, but FW stuff is cheap and easy to get, often way cheaper then regular GW plastic stuff.

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BrianDavion wrote:

when you're dealing with a hundred dollar model, 15 bucks or so really isn't that big a differace
$80 Land Raider vs. 150$ Sicarian is about an 80% price boost. FW dreads cost more than the plastics even before you buy the arms for them.

And They Shall Not Fit Through Doors!!!

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 Arachnofiend wrote:
A unit that I'll never field no matter how good it happens to be at the moment is the Necron Tomb Blades. Can't think of anything more out-of-theme for Necrons than dudes riding bikes, and it doesn't help that the model just looks dumb on its own too.

https://images.dakkadakka.com/s/i/gallery/img/2008/11/29/3019.jpg
   
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 vict0988 wrote:
 Arachnofiend wrote:
A unit that I'll never field no matter how good it happens to be at the moment is the Necron Tomb Blades. Can't think of anything more out-of-theme for Necrons than dudes riding bikes, and it doesn't help that the model just looks dumb on its own too.

https://images.dakkadakka.com/s/i/gallery/img/2008/11/29/3019.jpg

Yes, this model looks even worse and I wouldn't use it either. Not sure what your point is.
   
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 Arachnofiend wrote:
 vict0988 wrote:
 Arachnofiend wrote:
A unit that I'll never field no matter how good it happens to be at the moment is the Necron Tomb Blades. Can't think of anything more out-of-theme for Necrons than dudes riding bikes, and it doesn't help that the model just looks dumb on its own too.

https://images.dakkadakka.com/s/i/gallery/img/2008/11/29/3019.jpg

Yes, this model looks even worse and I wouldn't use it either. Not sure what your point is.


The point is that we Necrons have had "dudes riding bikes" since the day they were introduced.
That the destroyers were updated to half-torso on hover platform back in 3e doesn't make that vintage mk.1 destroyer an invalid model....
So no, Tomb Blades are not out of character for the army. YOU just don't like them.
   
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ccs wrote:
The point is that we Necrons have had "dudes riding bikes" since the day they were introduced.
If that was your point, it ain't a great point. That model looks dumb, and it was replaced with the current Destroyers. What does showing that old thing actually prove? Certainly doesn't suddenly make the droopy derpy Tomb Blades look any less stupid.

ccs wrote:
That the destroyers were updated to half-torso on hover platform back in 3e doesn't make that vintage mk.1 destroyer an invalid model...
No one said that it did.

ccs wrote:
So no, Tomb Blades are not out of character for the army. YOU just don't like them.
They're not out of character because an ancient model from 20 years ago also had a rider?

All Necron units with crew are out of place.

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:


All Necron units with crew are out of place.
Agree!!!

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
All Necron units with crew are out of place.


Well, not according to GW.

When I look at my Tomb Blades? I see them clearly taking cues from the Battle-droids in SW:episode 1. You know, where some of the brown robots stood on goofy looking flying things with guns. Heck, some of the robots even crewed tanks!
Likewise when I look at my Scythe planes? I see echos of the original Battlestar Galactica Cylon Raiders (crewed) + the Galactica reboot Raiders.
   
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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
They're not out of character because an ancient model from 20 years ago also had a rider?

Yes, Necrons riding jetbikes came before Wraiths, they went away for a while and now they're back. The Necron character has changed throughout 40k's history from Chaos robots, to Tyranid robots, to splintered monarchies from a former empire. Necron models have changed from all metal to green rods to all plastic and saying that the only models and fluff that is in character is the middle bit with the green rods and Tyranid robots because you like it best is just personal opinion. The fact is that Necrons are all over the place from a design standpoint and your opinion is a matter of taste.
   
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ccs wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
All Necron units with crew are out of place.


Well, not according to GW.

When I look at my Tomb Blades? I see them clearly taking cues from the Battle-droids in SW:episode 1.
Yeah. Dumb-looking!

And They Shall Not Fit Through Doors!!!

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I really like the easy to do Tomb Blade to Droideka conversion.

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 Crimson Devil wrote:

Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.

ERJAK wrote:
Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.

 
   
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 Galas wrote:
I really like the easy to do Tomb Blade to Droideka conversion.


Now for a challenge: Have you ever taken a Star Wars Legion Droideka and made a Tomb Blade out of it?

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 AnomanderRake wrote:
 Galas wrote:
I really like the easy to do Tomb Blade to Droideka conversion.


Now for a challenge: Have you ever taken a Star Wars Legion Droideka and made a Tomb Blade out of it?



I'd buy that for a dollar !

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 Insectum7 wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:

when you're dealing with a hundred dollar model, 15 bucks or so really isn't that big a differace
$80 Land Raider vs. 150$ Sicarian is about an 80% price boost. FW dreads cost more than the plastics even before you buy the arms for them.


Also forgeworld stuff melts in the sun.

I bought two alpha legion contemptors with the standard kheres arms and the sticker shock was so bad I didn't buy ANYTHING for the rest of adepticon.


 
   
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I will echo the answer of Tomb Blades, I just hate them. Also the Canoptek Reanimator
   
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Centurions and Dreadknights - would never buy those models - same with the Stormsurge and I donlt really like the normal Suit models - I donlt mind the Riptide


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