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 Overread wrote:

Slipspace wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Well on that logic pretty much anything on anything is whale. Euro per month...

You keep saying this but WH+ is not one Euro a month. If you factor in the price of the "free" model and if you already had subscriptions to the apps then you might get that figure, but in absolute terms it's more than that. continuing to use that figure is disingenuous in the extreme.

How does

"It's about as much as White Dwarf"

which, last I checked, isn't a "whale" product

The cost of WH+ and WD for the period of an edition (3 years) is basically the same cost as a whole army. Not really cheap.

I feel like with the budget and animation style they've got they really need to avoid heavy combat in Hammer and Bolter. I really felt the missing frames in A Question of Faith.

That or they need to get FAR more stylish and arty with how they do scenes - perhaps even just go for comic style battles where you've got only key moments shown (which I think they are trying but they time them a bit wrong in my view).

That said I hope it does well enough that GW can put more resources into it and they can get the number of animation cells up so that the action flows smoother.

I've enjoyed Hammer and Bolter. I wasn't a fan of Death's Hand, but the others have all been a pleasant surprise for me, especially these last 2 eps (which, coincidentally, happen to feature my 2 main armies). Sure, it could maybe be a little better animated at times, but I'm satisfied. I was a bit worried that 3 eps of Hammer and Bolter would be a letdown after Angels of Death had gotten good but I'm happy with the diversion for now. Hopefully we get the start of the second half of Angels of Death in a couple weeks though.

 Blackie wrote:


The cost of WH+ and WD for the period of an edition (3 years) is basically the same cost as a whole army. Not really cheap.

If you mean both WD and WH+ together, sure.

But my WH+ cost 84 CAD for the year. As in, that's what I paid- no online vouchers factored in, no free model factored in- that's the price. Now I do think there was also one free month maybe? If so, it's the only discount I include. Let's give you the benefit of the doubt and bump it to 90 CAD for the year.

So that's 270 for three.

A Combat Patrol box is 170 CAD. Now technically, because 25 PL games are natively supported with missions in the BRB, it is fair to call that an army, but I'm pretty sure that's not what you meant. For three years of WH+, I could get the Sister CP box and Castigator.

shadowsfm wrote:
My ranking of hammer and bolter from best to worst:
Episode 4 Fang
Episode 5 a question of faith
Episode 1 death's hand
Episode 3 old bale eye

...while Bound for Greatness is an outlier and is like comparing apples and oranges, but is still frighteningly enjoyable.

Hmm I didn't like Fang all the much, because the dialogue was pretty flat. #2 is for sure my favorite, but I haven't watched #5 yet.

Gotta say, I always expect Hammer and Bolter to be meh because of the cheap animation, but the writing has been saving the series. Finally got a chance to watch ep.6 this morning and it was a legitimately touching story befitting of the Eldar.

Yeah, loved the Eldar episode- makes me want to model up a Warlock/ Wraithguard duo for a small force- KT or Combat Patrol.

Thought the Avatar moments were really cool too. H&B reminds me so much of the original Heavy Metal movie- its animation also wasn't top-notch (a product of the era in which it was released), but it had so much soul.

H&B feels that way to me. I haven't watched the Fang yet- being Marines, it wasn't a priority for me. I will watch it though- it isn't that I don't like marines, it's just that they so saturate the IP that I don't hunger for information about them or stories that focus on them.

I've not subscribed and I won't be, fro a couple of reasons.

The first is the way this was set up doesn't warrant anyone subscribing to this, but secondly, I just don't think the content would be worth it. All the GW produced stuff is pretty much already available for free on youtube and if not, there are many alternative places for painting tutorials and battle reports. However, the main focus is the animations and, to me, they are not that good. Technically, they look great, but the story telling - ouch.

Maybe its just that how I view 40k in my head is very different to how other people view it, but every animation ive seen so far has bored me. There's no character in them.

One thing that really annoys me about animations is that for their computer games, GW have been able to have produced some amazing trailers and cut scenes. Though recently the quality has dropped with slightlky scrolling still images rather than proper animations, but even then, the story they tell is engaging and interesting.

Whilst this isnt 40k, its still warhammer and THIS is what I want to see from animations. This is amazing.

GW doesn’t produce any of the cinematic animations for licensed video games.

 Andilus Greatsword wrote:
Gotta say, I always expect Hammer and Bolter to be meh because of the cheap animation, but the writing has been saving the series. Finally got a chance to watch ep.6 this morning and it was a legitimately touching story befitting of the Eldar.

Spoiler:

I was also impressed that GW remember that Space Marines are NOT good guys and portrayed them as the full-on monsters that they are (especially from the perspective of an alien).

right, the eldar episode is the best so far, but requires a lot of back story for people that dont know eldar lore. i guess we are getting nothing this week?

I can't figure out why post-Cadia Ultramarines would be attacking a Craftworld like that.

maybe its not canon

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I can't figure out why post-Cadia Ultramarines would be attacking a Craftworld like that.

Forge the narrative! Just don't think about the narrative...

If they are going to do combat, they really need someone on the team that knows how to make it good with a limited budget.
It was like watching paint dry, 40k should at least be getting combat right.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I can't figure out why post-Cadia Ultramarines would be attacking a Craftworld like that.

The Imperium is so vast it loses whole systems and planets in its administration. When you have the entire Galaxy to play with its fully possible for you to be at peace and at war with the same faction on different fronts. Heck a huge part of Tau lore is how they were forgotten on the fringe and thus allowed to actually develop into a serious power as opposed to just being obliterated and colonised with humans. Yes there's hints Eldar had a hand in that, but in the end the actual event is very believable in the Imperium.

With a Galactic Empire at war on multiple fronts; with one keystone central world almost lost and causing the Imperium to nearly be cut in half; with Chaos and Xenos running amok everywhere. With all this war and hatred and confusion and distrust its very possible that even when the Imperium is formally (or informally) at peace with another faction, they can also still be at war with them.



Perhaps its a Craftworld that's small and isolated enough that agents within the Imperium felt they could destroy it with minimal risk of being spotted in time; perhaps its a Craftworld that made the first blow and this is retaliation; perhaps they have a long long standing war with this particular world and even though Eldar agreed to peace they had to "sacrifice" this war (which they then lost) front to maintain that peace. Perhaps no one told this group of Marines about the peace treaty or they think its broken. Or internal politics within the Eldar goaded the marines to attack.

There are loads of potential reasons for this battle to have taken place within a setting that is full of madness, insane administration systems, high levels of xenophobia and more. Heck don't forget the Imperium might be at a state of peace, but they'd never admit to it to the population.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I can't figure out why post-Cadia Ultramarines would be attacking a Craftworld like that.

Whatever the reason, thank god they are. Any step taken to soft-retconning that nightmare is a good one.

Yvrainne is a religious radical that is despised by most of her race.

She resurrecting Guilliman does not affect the relations of the Imperium and 99,99% of the Eldars.

Well, in response to the title....

I've mainly subscribed as I started playing AoS with v3 and trying some 40k again (with the previous incarnation of KT) so it's £1 more a month than both AoS/40k apps.

I'm not into battle reports and the web is full of painting guides - so they hold no extra interest.

However, I loved Angels of Death (till it stopped) and I'm mid way through Hammer and Bolter which I've enjoyed the stories of so far. I'll consider it decent value at £1 a month to watch a show every Saturday morning.

My only gripe, and I don't know if anyone else has found this.... the sound of the videos. It's so low. I use my PC for games, work and music. The sound level of core windows is at 40/100 and none of my games or music apps are at max. They all sound perfect. But, I can barely hear the W+ sound unless I increase the main windows volume up so high that any other sound from the PC is way too high. (and yes, I have maxed the volume in the W+ window).

It's about damn time they put astartes on the app

Oh cool. Angels of death starts again next week

 Galas wrote:
She resurrecting Guilliman does not affect the relations of the Imperium and 99,99% of the Eldars.

I know that, but these were Ultramarine 5th Company with Knight and Titan Legion support.

Given the state of the Imperium, you'd think that these three groups have something more important to do than ganking some random Craftworld out of, what seemed to be, pure spite.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Galas wrote:
She resurrecting Guilliman does not affect the relations of the Imperium and 99,99% of the Eldars.

I know that, but these were Ultramarine 5th Company with Knight and Titan Legion support.

Given the state of the Imperium, you'd think that these three groups have something more important to do than ganking some random Craftworld out of, what seemed to be, pure spite.

It could be a tactical strike against a Craftworld that is attacking an Imperial world. That feels a lot easier to explain that the 900th Marine vs Marine battle tbh.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Galas wrote:
She resurrecting Guilliman does not affect the relations of the Imperium and 99,99% of the Eldars.

I know that, but these were Ultramarine 5th Company with Knight and Titan Legion support.

Given the state of the Imperium, you'd think that these three groups have something more important to do than ganking some random Craftworld out of, what seemed to be, pure spite.

Considering the Imperium has a genocidal policy towards xenos, that Craftworld weakness and vulnerability might have triggered an invasion if only because opportunities to attack succesfully a Craftworld are rare. The Imperium's policy always was ''kill every single xenos in the galaxy''; the weaker the better and that specific Craftworld was probably small and with few warriors.

So for the Garden of Ghost was my favorite Hammer and Bolter episode which I must admit are better than I thought they would be. The worst one was by far Old Bale Eye.

Even in the books where Bobby introduces the Farseer as an ally, the Gen 1s leap up and demand he be killed. It's not like the fluff has died, but it's more, part of Granpa's racist of stories around the dinner table that we just ignore now.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Galas wrote:
She resurrecting Guilliman does not affect the relations of the Imperium and 99,99% of the Eldars.

I know that, but these were Ultramarine 5th Company with Knight and Titan Legion support.

Given the state of the Imperium, you'd think that these three groups have something more important to do than ganking some random Craftworld out of, what seemed to be, pure spite.

Nah, HBMC.

We all know the Imperium is a militarily significant power, with massive power projection capability. It's just got armies to spare. It's ships and fleets are practically entire planets that can be anywhere in hours, making use of unique warp-travel technology called Gellar Fields that make it less dangerous.

The Eldar, meanwhile, are under pressure from all sides, with aliens and humans pressing in from every direction and Chaos at their doorstep. The Ulthwe Gate is barely holding out against Chaos, but they have armies engaged on all fronts against myriad foes. Daemons lash at their ships as they travel the warp, and-

wait a minute.

I decided to wait because after the WH40k app debacle I figured the streaming platform would need more time and development to be worth the price tag to me. Plus it seemed like this platform was another foothold from which the company could flex rather unnecessarily their IP muscles. This was devastating to the already crumbling infrastructure of creativity of the fan base that really built the value of the IP in the first place. 40k was better when the universe belonged to the fans.

Slipspace wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Well on that logic pretty much anything on anything is whale. Euro per month...

You keep saying this but WH+ is not one Euro a month. If you factor in the price of the "free" model and if you already had subscriptions to the apps then you might get that figure, but in absolute terms it's more than that. continuing to use that figure is disingenuous in the extreme.

Well 1e/month is what i pay for animation.

: keep saying so because it's fact. Ain't my concern if you don't care about facts.

 Unit1126PLL wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Galas wrote:
She resurrecting Guilliman does not affect the relations of the Imperium and 99,99% of the Eldars.

I know that, but these were Ultramarine 5th Company with Knight and Titan Legion support.

Given the state of the Imperium, you'd think that these three groups have something more important to do than ganking some random Craftworld out of, what seemed to be, pure spite.

Nah, HBMC.

We all know the Imperium is a militarily significant power, with massive power projection capability. It's just got armies to spare. It's ships and fleets are practically entire planets that can be anywhere in hours, making use of unique warp-travel technology called Gellar Fields that make it less dangerous.

The Eldar, meanwhile, are under pressure from all sides, with aliens and humans pressing in from every direction and Chaos at their doorstep. The Ulthwe Gate is barely holding out against Chaos, but they have armies engaged on all fronts against myriad foes. Daemons lash at their ships as they travel the warp, and-

wait a minute.

I watched it late at night, and I've only seen it once so far; I'm also not a big enough SM player to recognize armour variants and squad markings. So forgive my ignorance- what were the indicators that this is set post rift? As I understand it, H&B episodes can occur at any point in the history... No indicators of time frame stood out to me, though again I wasn't watching under the most ideal of circumstances.

PenitentJake wrote:

 Unit1126PLL wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Galas wrote:
She resurrecting Guilliman does not affect the relations of the Imperium and 99,99% of the Eldars.

I know that, but these were Ultramarine 5th Company with Knight and Titan Legion support.

Given the state of the Imperium, you'd think that these three groups have something more important to do than ganking some random Craftworld out of, what seemed to be, pure spite.

Nah, HBMC.

We all know the Imperium is a militarily significant power, with massive power projection capability. It's just got armies to spare. It's ships and fleets are practically entire planets that can be anywhere in hours, making use of unique warp-travel technology called Gellar Fields that make it less dangerous.

The Eldar, meanwhile, are under pressure from all sides, with aliens and humans pressing in from every direction and Chaos at their doorstep. The Ulthwe Gate is barely holding out against Chaos, but they have armies engaged on all fronts against myriad foes. Daemons lash at their ships as they travel the warp, and-

wait a minute.

I watched it late at night, and I've only seen it once so far; I'm also not a big enough SM player to recognize armour variants and squad markings. So forgive my ignorance- what were the indicators that this is set post rift? As I understand it, H&B episodes can occur at any point in the history... No indicators of time frame stood out to me, though again I wasn't watching under the most ideal of circumstances.

The use of hovering tanks puts it after certain key events in the setting as they only appeared after the Imperium regained a Primarch who was brought back to life partly through alliance and influences with the Eldar. Of course you are right, this story might reflect a time where the Alliance has broken down in the future and the Eldar are openly at war with the Imperium at large.

It is interesting how nearly 80% of everyone that subscribed was satisfied with the subscription...

It appears to be very polarizing right now. At least going by the poll here those who wanted it like it and those who didn't want it don't appear to be all that pressured into getting it.


Which is both a good and a bad thing. It means that GW has secured a market of fans within the population who are content with the product as is and/or who see potential in the product growing in value for them.


Meanwhile though GW doesn't appear to be putting out the right level of content to get non-customers to change their mind. Which in the short run isn't an issue, but could quickly become a long running issue if GW ends up hitting their early max market and then can't easily expand it.