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Again though, the source is the Cain books and it's Cain saying he got beaten up by girls as a child.
AFAIK there's nothing to suggest that Sororitas practice genetic manipulation.

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Yeah, serves me right for believing anything Cain says. I guess it was just bad head cannon that Sisters of Battle/silence were just "superior" humans.
   
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I wouldn't lump Sisters of Silence in with Sisters of Battle- completely unrelated organisations, each with a very different ethos.

I don't know much about the Sisters of Silence, but they may be more willing to make modifications to themselves.

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FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Yeah, serves me right for believing anything Cain says. I guess it was just bad head cannon that Sisters of Battle/silence were just "superior" humans.

Well, I mean, they are, but in the sense Olympic athletes are “superior” at running and jumping and stick-throwing and whatnot. That is, while they might have marginally higher base stats, they also pack on a lot more dedicated training and health management. Also they’re almost universally born of privileged individuals, so they don’t/won’t have to contend with malnutrition or most childhood diseases. Or runoff from the stimm-factory upstream filling the river with turbo-pike.

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 Mr_Rose wrote:
FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Yeah, serves me right for believing anything Cain says. I guess it was just bad head cannon that Sisters of Battle/silence were just "superior" humans.

Well, I mean, they are, but in the sense Olympic athletes are “superior” at running and jumping and stick-throwing and whatnot. That is, while they might have marginally higher base stats, they also pack on a lot more dedicated training and health management. Also they’re almost universally born of privileged individuals, so they don’t/won’t have to contend with malnutrition or most childhood diseases. Or runoff from the stimm-factory upstream filling the river with turbo-pike.



I keep wanting to say, but if 95% of humanity is genetically unable to be what it takes, where are they finding all these "perfect specimens of Olympic prowess"? Like, I could understand if they were into Gene modification, or gene therapy, but they aren't. They are stock standard humans. Which begs the question, what could the best of the best of humanity do with Power Armor? Sly Marbo in Powered Armor. Getting Avatar flashbacks here....
   
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I thought that boys and girls were supposed to be separated in the Schola, since the reign of Vandire.
   
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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:


At what age does the selection happen?


There probably isn't a specific age because students won't be coming in at consistent ages. The Schola is primarily for orphans but also takes in students who are sent there by their very much alive parents. It stands to reason that the Schola has everything from newborns up to young adults. They could take in new recruits at literally any age.

Students are going to be under constant monitoring (It is a grimdark totalitarian state) so a decision about the path a student should take could be made at any time, or I suppose even changed if needed.

I imagine that students who come before the age of 10-12 would be more easily slotted into a class structure. Students that come in at older ages would be a little tougher. They'd probably undergo some aptitude tests to see what education they have already had, what their personalities are, etc... Then they get put in whatever remedial courses are deemed necessary to bring them up to their age bracket.

So you've probably got classes that have mostly the same aged kids who have been in the Schola most of their lives mixed with a few older kids who were orphaned at an older age and are 'behind' the other children. You after all can't put a 16 year old illiterate child of some petty officer in with children who have been taught to read since they were 5-7. You put him in the younger groups so he can learn the more basic stuff first, and he can bring what little experience from just being older to the younger children as well.

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FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
 Mr_Rose wrote:
FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Yeah, serves me right for believing anything Cain says. I guess it was just bad head cannon that Sisters of Battle/silence were just "superior" humans.

Well, I mean, they are, but in the sense Olympic athletes are “superior” at running and jumping and stick-throwing and whatnot. That is, while they might have marginally higher base stats, they also pack on a lot more dedicated training and health management. Also they’re almost universally born of privileged individuals, so they don’t/won’t have to contend with malnutrition or most childhood diseases. Or runoff from the stimm-factory upstream filling the river with turbo-pike.



I keep wanting to say, but if 95% of humanity is genetically unable to be what it takes, where are they finding all these "perfect specimens of Olympic prowess"? Like, I could understand if they were into Gene modification, or gene therapy, but they aren't. They are stock standard humans. Which begs the question, what could the best of the best of humanity do with Power Armor? Sly Marbo in Powered Armor. Getting Avatar flashbacks here....


Its prolly closer to 99% that cant. But admin needs its serfs, book keepers and rat sellers or any other jerb required for society to function. Maybe Sly and the best, didnt have the xxx gene.
But when the population is uncountable. Youll luck out.
The same place olympians turn up. They love doing it. Whether its running all day or swimming all day. Some are better than others.
   
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Just a reminder the number one role given to Schola graduates is that of Administratum clerk.
   
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When you have uncounted trillions of people to comb through, requiring that 1 in a million recruit still means you have tens of thousands of people available.

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The "Trillions of humans" thing is a silly meme that needs to go away. First off: it's billions accross the ENTIRE GALAXY. Not even the Eccliesiarchy goes searching across the entire galaxy for supplicants. It's more, "we have a Schola on this planet, and we're searching through the planet and it's surrounding moons." So, maybe a billion people. No one is combing anything past the scar either. So that half of the galaxy is out.

Trying to apply logical math to this gak show of narrative lore is exhausting.
   
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FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
The "Trillions of humans" thing is a silly meme that needs to go away. First off: it's billions accross the ENTIRE GALAXY.

Trillions aren't that many considering how rapidly humanity tends to replicate in the Imperium. With 100-400 billion stars in the Milky Way, most of which will have planetary bodies, it would only take 100 planets with a population similar to that of modern-day earth to just about reach 1 trillion humans, and considering Hive Worlds cramp a lot of people into a lot of space and that the Imperium covers most of the galaxy, it's not a difficult number to reach. I mean there are 2.2 billion children (roughly) on Earth right now.

Not even the Eccliesiarchy goes searching across the entire galaxy for supplicants. It's more, "we have a Schola on this planet, and we're searching through the planet and it's surrounding moons." So, maybe a billion people.

Schola are everywhere. They're like boarding schools and orphans from all over the place get sent there. When your empire is in a constant state of warfare and a lot of planets encourage legacy building, that's a lot of orphans.
   
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FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
The "Trillions of humans" thing is a silly meme that needs to go away. First off: it's billions accross the ENTIRE GALAXY.


No, its not. Trillions is completely logical just looking at our own planet's population and thinking about what a galactic scale civilization with ~1 million planets would have.

Lets say even 1% of the Imperium are Hive worlds with ten times the current population of Earth. Earth has a pop of 7.7 billion. So if we say Hive worlds have an average population of 77 billion(a low estimate IMO), times 10 thousand(1% of a million) we would get 770 trillion on Hive worlds alone. Then we'd have planets with roughly similar populations to Earth and less making up the bulk. This of course doesn't count any worlds that are Ecumenopoli like Terra which would have hundreds of billions of people.

Realistically, the human population of the Imperium is likely in the low quadrillions. "Countless Trillions" is a perfectly reasonable assessment, and indeed a safe lowball.

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 Grey Templar wrote:
FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
The "Trillions of humans" thing is a silly meme that needs to go away. First off: it's billions accross the ENTIRE GALAXY.


No, its not. Trillions is completely logical just looking at our own planet's population and thinking about what a galactic scale civilization with ~1 million planets would have.

Lets say even 1% of the Imperium are Hive worlds with ten times the current population of Earth. Earth has a pop of 7.7 billion. So if we say Hive worlds have an average population of 77 billion(a low estimate IMO), times 10 thousand(1% of a million) we would get 770 trillion on Hive worlds alone. Then we'd have planets with roughly similar populations to Earth and less making up the bulk. This of course doesn't count any worlds that are Ecumenopoli like Terra which would have hundreds of billions of people.

Realistically, the human population of the Imperium is likely in the low quadrillions. "Countless Trillions" is a perfectly reasonable assessment, and indeed a safe lowball.


Yes, countless trillions is definitely the case, and possibly countless quadrillions to be honest.

This is from the 5th edition rulebook:

So, before the Great Rift, we know that a single hive world has ~150 billion people on it. We also know there are approximately 32,000 hive worlds within the Imperium. It doesn't take much maths to work out that is a lot of people, and that is ignoring the other 970,000 worlds of the Imperium.

Terra alone is mentioned as having a population of around 1 quadrillion in the Throne series, IIRC. Necromunda also likely has a population in the high billions or low trillions.

The population has probably dropped somewhat following the Great Rift and associated destruction, but will be in the same ballpark.

The Imperium of Mankind has a truly vast population.

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You also need to remember that the Imperium does not care about the environments of individual planets. They are willing to fully utilize the resources of every planet to the fullest.

If we dedicated all of Earth's arable land to farming, and farmed using hydroponics and aquaculture in areas that weren't, and packed the excess population into massive hive cities built on non-arable/grazing land the Earth could sustainably feed hundreds of trillions of people. A lot of it would be pretty boring as far as food goes, but food is food. The poor can live on algae and shrimp based nutrient paste. The middle classes can eat basic crops and cheap meat. The rich can eat the finer things.

This would of course obliterate the natural ecosystem of any planet used for such industrial farming, but that isn't a concern.

Earth also kinda sucks in terms of what % of its surface is arable land. Only roughly 30% of Earth is arable land, and of that only 11% is actually used currently. If you had a world with more arable land you could get even more crop yields.

Imagine a world that was only 40% covered by oceans. The water that does exist is constantly pumped onto fields spanning entire continents. Water that leaves in the food exports is replaced with water harvested from comets or in organic waste shipped here from hive worlds and used as fertilizer. It's all monitored and kept in balance to ensure the soil remains productive. Fields are allowed to fallow in massive rotations.

Feeding these many quadrillions would be a monumental, but definitely doable, task.

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 Grey Templar wrote:
You also need to remember that the Imperium does not care about the environments of individual planets. They are willing to fully utilize the resources of every planet to the fullest.

This would of course obliterate the natural ecosystem of any planet used for such industrial farming, but that isn't a concern.

Feeding these many quadrillions would be a monumental, but definitely doable, task.
Heh. In the Imperium, PETA would have been purged as a heretical cult; clearly out to sabotage humanity’s survival.

Anyway, on the actual topic of the thread; don’t forget that some or all of the really truly exceptional one-in-a-billion physical specimens at the schola will have “unfortunate training accidents” and after their closed casket funerals will wake up in one of the Assassin Temples, where the hard work will really begin.

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