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Them turning to dust would have been investigated carefully, seen it was a world wide problem, and the. Stayed hidden. Why draw attention to themselves when they just lost half their population?

The vibranium is about them being discovered. Which is their concern.

Shuri promises to use Wakanda’s military to help protect Atlantis.

 Lance845 wrote:
Them turning to dust would have been investigated carefully, seen it was a world wide problem, and the. Stayed hidden. Why draw attention to themselves when they just lost half their population?

The vibranium is about them being discovered. Which is their concern.

The Atlanteans also seem to know something of the world above. Exactly how isn’t really covered. But…I guess even if they’re just investigating shipwrecks you’re gonna find some useful info?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Lance845 wrote:
Them turning to dust would have been investigated carefully, seen it was a world wide problem, and the. Stayed hidden. Why draw attention to themselves when they just lost half their population?

The vibranium is about them being discovered. Which is their concern.

The Atlanteans also seem to know something of the world above. Exactly how isn’t really covered. But…I guess even if they’re just investigating shipwrecks you’re gonna find some useful info?

Well they mention that Namor has been spotted on that one beach. It stands to reason that he is coming to the surface and looking around. Keeping tabs on the world to some extent so that he is ready to protect his people. His soldiers know to eliminate witnesses and plenry of people go missing near rivers lakes and beaches every year.

A B- from me. I guess I just wasn’t feeling it.

One thing I saw outside the movie that wasn't in the movie was that Namor, and possibly all Takolans, could travel around to any sufficient body of water. A river would be to small but a lake would work just fine, which is how Namor just pops up in the lake in Wakanda. Seems like something that should have been mentioned in the film.

As always, I look forward more to these videos than the movie itself nowadays...

 Ahtman wrote:
One thing I saw outside the movie that wasn't in the movie was that Namor, and possibly all Takolans, could travel around to any sufficient body of water. A river would be to small but a lake would work just fine, which is how Namor just pops up in the lake in Wakanda. Seems like something that should have been mentioned in the film.

Well, the river tribe guy mentions that Namor must have swam 100 km entirely under water to show up where he did the first time he showed up. That body of water was connected in some way to the ocean.

At any point was it explained why the fish people were blue out of the water and not blue under the water?

The whole underwater civilization thing didn't work for me. How do they handle sanitation? How do they refine vibranium underwater with no technology? If they are of Aztec origin why don't they practice human sacrifice?

Ironheart didn't work for me. Her first suit was fine for what she did with it, but going to war with a 19 year old with no combat training felt really stupid.

Overall it was okay at best. Better than Strange and Thor.

They are more Mayan than Aztec, although there was a bit of “Mayincatec” going on with them, just as the Wakandans used words and designs from different African cultures.

And we never got to see any of their religious rites. Maybe they do sacrifice people to keep the sun going—a lot of people went missing around their watery domain. Who knows?


I don’t know why they’re blue, but I was more curious why they seemed to die to stab wounds and then resurrect in the first half of the movie, and then not do that in the second.


As for Ironheart, the child soldier….yeah, I guess maybe everyone was just angry and leaderless at that point?

As much as the underwater civilization didn't work for me, I am happy that Namor stays alive and stays a threat. A potential team up with Dr. Doom could yet happen.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
They are more Mayan than Aztec, although there was a bit of “Mayincatec” going on with them, just as the Wakandans used words and designs from different African cultures.

And we never got to see any of their religious rites. Maybe they do sacrifice people to keep the sun going—a lot of people went missing around their watery domain. Who knows?


I don’t know why they’re blue, but I was more curious why they seemed to die to stab wounds and then resurrect in the first half of the movie, and then not do that in the second.


As for Ironheart, the child soldier….yeah, I guess maybe everyone was just angry and leaderless at that point?

The blue I take as deoxygenating whilst out of water. Like they’re not firing on all cylinders?

That would make sense if they showed some loss of combat effectiveness while out of the water, but they were unstoppable even on land.

 bbb wrote:
That would make sense if they showed some loss of combat effectiveness while out of the water, but they were unstoppable even on land.

Well... you should keep in mind that it's basically an entire race of Black Panthers fighting regular people.

Their weakened state is still super human.

Sure, but they didn't address it at all. I kept waiting and wondering if I'd totally missed something. Why blue out of water and not blue in water? They had almost 3 hours to fit it in somewhere.

 bbb wrote:
Sure, but they didn't address it at all. I kept waiting and wondering if I'd totally missed something. Why blue out of water and not blue in water? They had almost 3 hours to fit it in somewhere.

I mean... sure. Personally, I tend to not want movies to have exposition about things that the characters have no reason to explain. Like... I don't need to know what fuel the Nostromo uses in Alien. And it doesn't actually matter why the Talokans change skin color in and out of water. It's enough that they are a race of people modified black pather style, but different, and they do.

I know it's nitpicky, but I wasn't entertained enough by the movie to not be bothered by it.

Shuri and Riri are two of the smartest people in the world (as wells as the only two non-Talokan characters who may have noticed it besides the audience... actually, I guess Shuri was the only one who could have noticed it since she took the tour or the city) and at no point did either of them mention it or ask the Talokans about it or anything. The Talokans aren't even a scientifically advanced civilization, so they probably didn't have an answer beyond, "We turn blue in the air."

Not getting enough oxygen while out of the water makes sufficient sense, it would have been nice to address it since "they're blue" was how they were described in the movie, but then the audience sees they're not blue all the time.

 bbb wrote:
I know it's nitpicky, but I wasn't entertained enough by the movie to not be bothered by it.

Shuri and Riri are two of the smartest people in the world (as wells as the only two non-Talokan characters who may have noticed it besides the audience... actually, I guess Shuri was the only one who could have noticed it since she took the tour or the city) and at no point did either of them mention it or ask the Talokans about it or anything. The Talokans aren't even a scientifically advanced civilization, so they probably didn't have an answer beyond, "We turn blue in the air."

Not getting enough oxygen while out of the water makes sufficient sense, it would have been nice to address it since "they're blue" was how they were described in the movie, but then the audience sees they're not blue all the time.

I wouldn't say Talokan is not advanced. They are just not advanced in the same way the surface is. Their tech developed along non parallel lines. It's tech when they make gestures in what looks like a rock to create funnels of underwater current for quick transportation around the worlds oceans. It's tech when a temple opens up and reveals a globe of vibranium used as a sun for an under water people. Their compressed water grenades are tech. They have technology we do not and could not replicate right now.

 Lance845 wrote:

 bbb wrote:
I know it's nitpicky, but I wasn't entertained enough by the movie to not be bothered by it.

Shuri and Riri are two of the smartest people in the world (as wells as the only two non-Talokan characters who may have noticed it besides the audience... actually, I guess Shuri was the only one who could have noticed it since she took the tour or the city) and at no point did either of them mention it or ask the Talokans about it or anything. The Talokans aren't even a scientifically advanced civilization, so they probably didn't have an answer beyond, "We turn blue in the air."

Not getting enough oxygen while out of the water makes sufficient sense, it would have been nice to address it since "they're blue" was how they were described in the movie, but then the audience sees they're not blue all the time.

I wouldn't say Talokan is not advanced. They are just not advanced in the same way the surface is. Their tech developed along non parallel lines. It's tech when they make gestures in what looks like a rock to create funnels of underwater current for quick transportation around the worlds oceans. It's tech when a temple opens up and reveals a globe of vibranium used as a sun for an under water people. Their compressed water grenades are tech. They have technology we do not and could not replicate right now.

Fair points. MCU "scientifically advanced" tech has looked a certain way up till now, so the Talokan tech-aesthetic comes across, at least to me, as "not advanced." Wakandans have spaceships, Talokans ride whales and have underwater "pneumatic tubes". Wakandans have shields and guns and supersuits, Talokans are tough and have water balloon... uh... grenades. Wakanda feels like an advanced civilization. Talokan feels like a force of nature.

In all honesty, my thoughts during the movie were, “I guess the blue paint doesn’t stick to the actors under water.”

It looked to me like the Tlaxocans were actually infused with Vibranium themselves. The shaman ground up a plant, that had grown and absorbed it. They then ingested the concoction.

This would explain (in a hand-wave way) their resilience to damage, as the Vibranium is literally holding them together on the inside as well as the outside. It also is how they can survive the crushing depths of the ocean.

Not sure why that means they can no longer breathe air and have to go underwater though? I guess a bad side-effect of Vibranium "poisoning".

 Easy E wrote:
Not sure why that means they can no longer breathe air and have to go underwater though? I guess a bad side-effect of Vibranium "poisoning".

Could be vibranium diluted in the water that has slowly changed their bodies over time. Also remember that in the MCU, the rain god Tlāloc is a real being and could have had a hand in changing them as well.

 bbb wrote:

 Lance845 wrote:

 bbb wrote:
I know it's nitpicky, but I wasn't entertained enough by the movie to not be bothered by it.

Shuri and Riri are two of the smartest people in the world (as wells as the only two non-Talokan characters who may have noticed it besides the audience... actually, I guess Shuri was the only one who could have noticed it since she took the tour or the city) and at no point did either of them mention it or ask the Talokans about it or anything. The Talokans aren't even a scientifically advanced civilization, so they probably didn't have an answer beyond, "We turn blue in the air."

Not getting enough oxygen while out of the water makes sufficient sense, it would have been nice to address it since "they're blue" was how they were described in the movie, but then the audience sees they're not blue all the time.

I wouldn't say Talokan is not advanced. They are just not advanced in the same way the surface is. Their tech developed along non parallel lines. It's tech when they make gestures in what looks like a rock to create funnels of underwater current for quick transportation around the worlds oceans. It's tech when a temple opens up and reveals a globe of vibranium used as a sun for an under water people. Their compressed water grenades are tech. They have technology we do not and could not replicate right now.

Fair points. MCU "scientifically advanced" tech has looked a certain way up till now, so the Talokan tech-aesthetic comes across, at least to me, as "not advanced." Wakandans have spaceships, Talokans ride whales and have underwater "pneumatic tubes". Wakandans have shields and guns and supersuits, Talokans are tough and have water balloon... uh... grenades. Wakanda feels like an advanced civilization. Talokan feels like a force of nature.

Talokan tech developed under a few premises that I can see.

1) Stay hidden. Nothing they make can be too overt because the point was to stay away from any ability for anyone to detect them.
2) Maintain their heritage. They have a strong ties to their ancestral past and their society honors it so much that they shape any advancement around maintaining that past.
3) Prepare for War. They develop weapons they can deploy quickly so long as they meet the first requirement. No massive nukes here. They don't need them.

So yeah, they ride whales and whatever. But doing so keeps them hidden. And when they strike we are blind sided by it. Whatever they are doing to control the water.... it would be devastating to coastal communities (roughly 70% of humanity could be destroyed by them flooding things like they did to that one Wakandan city if they showed up in actual force. Why use a gun when they can do that?

Talakon does feel like a force of nature. But it's a force of nature they cultivated and developed over centuries of preparation.


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 Ghaz wrote:

 Easy E wrote:
Not sure why that means they can no longer breathe air and have to go underwater though? I guess a bad side-effect of Vibranium "poisoning".

Could be vibranium diluted in the water that has slowly changed their bodies over time. Also remember that in the MCU, the rain god Tlāloc is a real being and could have had a hand in changing them as well.

Or it's just a different plant. The Heart Shaped Herb has some of it's mystical effects maybe from Bast but also because of the vibranium rich soil.

The plant they harvested from the "blue rock" was a different plant grown in vibranium rich soil with a different god offering a different blessing. The effects appear similar but not the same.

 Lance845 wrote:

 Ahtman wrote:
One thing I saw outside the movie that wasn't in the movie was that Namor, and possibly all Takolans, could travel around to any sufficient body of water. A river would be to small but a lake would work just fine, which is how Namor just pops up in the lake in Wakanda. Seems like something that should have been mentioned in the film.

Well, the river tribe guy mentions that Namor must have swam 100 km entirely under water to show up where he did the first time he showed up. That body of water was connected in some way to the ocean.

Come to think of it I'm not sure if it was an interview or speculation on someone else's part so that may have been complete nonsense.

Seemed pretty clear when they woke up from the ritual they start turning blue and gasping, Namor says they'd been changed to get oxygen from the water and they run to the sea and are immediately relieved.

What's less clear is what their limitations are out of the water in terms of being deprived oxygen from the water. They've got masks initially, but they don't seem to be crippled without them. It's also mentioned that Namor at least gets the oxygen through his skin so it can probably be assumed that they're not turning blue because the oxygen receptors on their skin react to the lack of water to pull from.

 LunarSol wrote:
Seemed pretty clear when they woke up from the ritual they start turning blue and gasping, Namor says they'd been changed to get oxygen from the water and they run to the sea and are immediately relieved.

What's less clear is what their limitations are out of the water in terms of being deprived oxygen from the water. They've got masks initially, but they don't seem to be crippled without them. It's also mentioned that Namor at least gets the oxygen through his skin so it can probably be assumed that they're not turning blue because the oxygen receptors on their skin react to the lack of water to pull from.

They don't just have masks. They have little shoulder neck covers too that are filled with water over their gills. Thats why Attuma can take off his mask to give it to Shuri and not be negatively impacted.

Apparently completely lacking in fanfare (I certainly haven't seen the usual cavalcade of tabloid entertainment sites bleating about it) Disney have quietly put the premier date of the film up as 1st Feb on the landing page on D+.

Is amongst, and might be the most, amount of time between theatres and streaming of any MCU film since Covid.

 Azreal13 wrote:
Apparently completely lacking in fanfare (I certainly haven't seen the usual cavalcade of tabloid entertainment sites bleating about it) Disney have quietly put the premier date of the film up as 1st Feb on the landing page on D+.

Is amongst, and might be the most, amount of time between theatres and streaming of any MCU film since Covid.

It’s still in the top five movie grosses every weekend. I can see why they want to give it more time in theaters.

Finally saw it. Liked it. Nitpicks;

Would have liked a connection from Riri to Stark. Even just a passing comment she was attending the collage on a Stark Grant/Scholarship would have sufficed.

I didn’t like the ambush on the bridge. It immediately sets up that Namor’s word can’t be trusted but it’s never mentioned again or called out on it.

I dislike characters whose first act is always violence and murder getting mad when any of their own are killed. How dare you defend yourself!

God Danged Nano Masks! It wasn’t utilized as frequently as the first one, but in the big fight at the end where she popped her mask off to deliver her one Ancestors line then immediately popped it back on I just shouted Oh F*** You at my screen and was instantly pulled out of it. I just hate that so much.

Wasn't her initial suit based on leaked Iron Man specs or something like that?