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Mr.Pengwinn wrote: Anyone have any luck running an Assault heavy DG list? I really love the look of Deathshrouds, LoC, Typhus, and poxwalkers and kinda wanted to play a wall of melee death type list with some range support from PBC. Anyone else given it ago?
I do run assault heavy myself. At 2k I run 40 Poxwalkers and 20 Plague Marines (2 Blight Launchers, 2 Flails, 6 axes, the rest dual knives), and then I supplement that with characters, a Daemon Prince/Bloat Drone squadron and play aggressively. So far it does well, but super shooty armies can be an issue. Next time my buddy and I get together I am going to have him run his Tau against me, and I have yet to go against guard, but everything else I have fought I haven't been outclassed by the list.
I've ran a 2500pt list that is pretty punchy twice now with some good results. Once in a 3 player free for all with kill points, more recently in maelstorm. The list is as follows.
You get 2 assault fronts with the list. The first is Morty, DP and 3 plague spitters, all moving up the field quickly. Creating a nice high priority threat. Then you have the 2 blightlords and typhus dropping nearby with a buttload of melta spam and some nasty CC to worry about. I drop the blightlords in a conga line so 1 is within 3" of morty, and then the rest conga towards the enemy. Poxwalkers spread out to deny the enemy any back field deep strikes, forcing them into the mid field with your big fast chunk of death. Plagueburst pops shots at stuff and is a general annoyance. I love when it gets shot at, for it's points it is a great fire magnet.
I don't know about how meta competitive the list is, as I don't like tournaments, but its been super fun to have so many crazy durable models on the table that can bring serious pain. In the future I'll be trying more lists without mortarion, and more plague marines to see how well they do.
I like it! I've been lookin for an assault list with some meat on their bones. I'd probably drop Morty as my local meta isnt too competitive. How have the Deathshrourd worked for you? I've heard a lot of mixed reports.
This was the first game they got into close combat for me, and I've ran them 3 times.
The first time was open war, strange deployment prevented a deepstrike pretty much everywhere, but I wasn't thinking about that. They were not close to any characters and were taken out by lascannons.
Second game was a big 2500pt 3 way free for all. Dropped them next to morty and they died so mortarion could live. Soaking up an insane amount of firepower.
Both third and second used the same list I wrote. The third time I dropped them in range of morty, one died from soaking up 2 stormravens worth of shooting (morty was -1 to be hit and both flyers were weakened, still was awesome) and then they moved up the field and obliterated whatever they touched. Cleaving a razorback in two, then cutting mephiston in half. I completely forgot about the stratagem to bring one back!
Their unusually high point cost is justified by them all having basically plague weapon power fists (S8, -3, D3) and 10 attacks for a unit of 3. The flamers were ok, but I only got to use them on overwatch. Still makes people sweat a little!
If I ran a similar list at 2K, I would probably drop morty and the deathshroud. I absolutely love the deathshroud models, but they are pretty pricy when blightlords are just as durable. I want to cram a unit of 3 in a land raider with an arch contaminator chaos lord in terminator armor. Letting the blightlords re-roll 1s to hit and all wounds with their scythes and spitters.
The ++4 save that DG terminators have goes a very long way.
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FA:
2x Drone w/Plaguespitters
Blight Hauler (Mainly for the cover aura since I don't have a lot of bubblewrap)
HS:
3x PBC w/Entropy Cannons
Total: 1995pts
Does it stand a chance? Should I take out a PM unit to get more Poxwalkers? or get rid of them and get more PMs?
Also, can't really decide on a warlord trait
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If the point of your Poxwalkers is just bubble wrap, I think Chaos Cultists could do the job cheaper, AND shot back. Just deploy them in MSUs. More Plague Marines might support your plan of attack better, except that I am not too sure of your plan of attack. I am assuming that your Chaos Lord is your Warlord with WT Arch Contaminator. If not, I’d skip the Lord.
I would skip the Hauler if its main purpose is +1 cover save. Regular save + DR is plenty. Use the hauler points for a 3rd Bloat Drone. It’s attack, disruption and distraction value can not be over stated. Always advance with them, get into the backfield and harrass the enemy. Let them charge you and eat auto hitting overwatch.
The hauler gives gives the Walkers a save (and all the other close units for that matter) and let's not forget it has a missile launcher and a multi-melta (at 4+ tho). I'll have to try out a list with it or replacing it with a third drone
My idea would be sticking the 3 PBC with the Lord in the back, shooting and re-rolling to hit
The drones and the Prince getting fast to the enemy lines to wreck stuff
The PM squads going wherever needed with the Blightspawn and the Caster for buffs/smite
So with how durable DG terminators are, I'm considering a list that is all termies, and then uses R&H to get a grip of artillery that doesn't need line of sight. Something like.
3 earthshakers, 3 quad lauchers, 2 malefic lords
CSM jump sorcerer (warp time and speed for morty)
Mortarion
2x3 deathshroud
2x5 blightlords
TDA lord with helm and arch contaminator
Typhus
Typhus, TDA lord and the blightlords all plop down on a flank. 1 deathshroud drops near morty, the other drops where I want to warp time him to.
Lord will give re-roll 1s to hit, and all wounds in the fight phase to the blightlords. I'm tempted to give him plaguebringer instead, Have typhus cast blades of putrification on him and watch him cause mortal wounds on 5s and 2 mortal wounds on 6s.
With the lord support, and the 18" range, plasma is a very appealing choice for the blightlords.
It's pretty low on CP for a 2500pt list, but it has a lot of punch and durability.
Also, the codex death guard sorcerers cannot use the CSM spells, but if I remember right, GW said you can use index stuff as well. So I could bring an index Sorcerer with the death guard legion and have warp time on him? If that is the case, I could have a lot of fun with casting Diabolic strength on a flail wielding Blightlord. S8 with 3D3 attacks is pretty awesome.
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I took the Plagueburst Crawler out for a spin this weekend and I was not impressed. The BS is way too low to make that thing effective. Even parking an HQ to give re-rolling 1s it still misses way too much. Should have spent the points on another Helbrute.
@Gwarsh, the only Index Sorcerer that didn't get an update is the Sorcerer on Palanquin, so that narrows the available options. You have to use the updated datasheet from the DG 'dex otherwise. You could use a Daemon Prince instead of a Daemon Prince of Nurgle for the same reason. Only two DG Dark Hereticus native units available to us, sadly.
@Kzraahk, I'd suggest spending a few extra points to turn that hauler into a Dorito Dread. Better shooting with more army synergistic weapons, full use of IA for accuracy on the move, and giving your infantry a 5+ Invuln. save which is way better than a Hauler for boosting Poxies (arguably PM's as well).
I'm coming to believe this little hellbrute may just be out and out better for DG than our own Hauler, albeit more expensive. With the exception of terminators do we have any units that gain more from cover than from gaining an invuln. save?
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Thanks @Vortenger, that clears things up pretty well for me. Double checking codex, Palanquin and jump sorcerer are the two that didn't make it into the codex, right?
If the jump sorcerer can still be taken, that is pretty nice. Let's me deep strike him alongside terminators, or run alongside mortarion.
As for the dodereio dread, I didn't even think about it being a helbrute model so it gains the bonus. Same goes for Leviathans and contemptors if I remember correctly. This is awesome news!
ZergSmasher wrote: On a modeling note, is it really hard to convert one of the plastic Contemptors from BaC into a Chaos one? I guess I'd still need to do something about the good weapons, though.
That depends on your greenstuff-fu, methinks. Can you sculpt boils or blobs of flesh spilling out of the dreadnought chassis, indicating that it's more flesh than machine? If not, you can always get Death Guard or Nurgle bits and symbols, and glue them all over. Weapons can always be painted as heavily rusted.
Haven't done these myself, just throwing out some ideas.
I'm not great at sculpting, but I think I could put some Nurgle symbols and rust on the weapons okay. I'm not sure that the Kheres Assault Cannon or Multimelta are good choices, though, and they are the only guns in the plastic kit. On the CC side, it only has the one option I think (Fist with Storm Bolter), so again probably not optimal, meaning I should probably skip it until I can afford a real FW Contemptor.
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killerpenguin wrote: Would you guys call the new Death Guard codex competitive on its own? And if you have to ally with CSM, can you win tournaments with the two?
I think so, but we are still missing what looks like a very useful model in the blighthauler. If you ally in CSM you can grab the CSM powers and oblits, bring a detachment of CSM and you get all their stratagems. I think if you want DG to be max competitive, you ally in some CSM.
killerpenguin wrote: Would you guys call the new Death Guard codex competitive on its own? And if you have to ally with CSM, can you win tournaments with the two?
I find mobility always an issue in the tournament scene. Playing to the objectives requires us to be quite all over the map which can be quite tricky. And most of the list building I have seen vs tournament lists make you choose between a footslogging horde one or a more vehicle shooty one. The meta tends to be mostly preparing yourself for multi wound fast armies that grab objectives quick and bear down quite well. I dunno, seems to me a pure DG list is hard to make it work especially when running morty. You would have to run him safely up a flank and hope he doesnt get shot down or pounced on (seen him die turn 1 against astra M. and adeptus M. a crap ton already). Not to mention if we choose a more shooty army and we face a REAL gunline like girlyman + co... we last awhile (thanks DR) but lose the gunline war.
I don't think screens are an issue at all for us. We tear through them and helps us add to our own momentum most of the time so least we got that going for us haha
Realistically most of the lists that perform well are the chaos soup ones. I feel like a new favourite soon will be the BASH brothers list. Magnus + Morty supported with brimstones, a changeling, and a CRAP ton of malefic lords. The smite spam is real. And it is strong. The list itself is pretty cheesy and not that fun to play against unless you fight with your own soup army like the CSM list Nick Nanavati brings or Andrew Gonyo's AM. Lots of ITC tournament missions are changing and we will see how this shakes up the meta though. Not to mention who knows what tournament scenes might do about CERTAIN strong units.
A new list I think that would be nice to see is really abusing a patrol detachment with CSM Alpha legion. The fact that a large unit of Chaos cultists can abuse Forward Operatives with Tide of Traitors and be in your opponents lines the whole game. Unless your opponents waste a bunch of resources killing the whole unit... it will come FULLY back in their face again next turn. Not to mention having a sorcerer with Warptime and Deathhex (remove that invuln from those pesky Bulgryn and brimstones) will really make Morty a big threat. Ally this to a DG army would really help you move your expensive plague marines / characters / DG vehicles up the board fairly easily while they deal with the cultists in their frontlines (or back lines if you give you the space )
At the end of the day, bring whatever you want to the tournament and have fun. But if you want to beat the cheese well prepare yourself for a less fluffy list that is also cheesy as hell. DG is strong but yeah I think CSM detachment to help out in some areas really makes the DG army shine.
Qlanth wrote: I took the Plagueburst Crawler out for a spin this weekend and I was not impressed. The BS is way too low to make that thing effective. Even parking an HQ to give re-rolling 1s it still misses way too much. Should have spent the points on another Helbrute.
Pair it up with a lord with arch contaminator and you have a unit that reroll 1’s to hit and rerolls all to wound rolls. Point efficiency wise it does as much damage as a predator with las cannons and it’s a lot tougher and harder to kill than a land raider. Seriously.
It takes 11.9 las Cannon hits to kill a crawler compared to 8.3 to kill the raider.
wow used bio-put and 10 plague marines with grenades last night! 39 shots ended in 7 mortal wounds and lots of death! amazing.
The other surprising strat is the auto blow up! opponent killed my defiler in combat thats a lot of mortal wounds within 6"!
not to impressed with blight haulers... i ran 2 should of run 3 for the +1 bs but they just seem so expensive for what they are... i'm thinking preds might be better.
Also rocked my DP with 4+ DR, 2+ armour relic and axe and talon! wow.... chopped a storm raven out the sky and soaked up so many shots! loving it.
killerpenguin wrote: Would you guys call the new Death Guard codex competitive on its own? And if you have to ally with CSM, can you win tournaments with the two?
As Devk88 said I think adding in a CSM detachment of Alpha Legion is the way to go. I am testing this out now to add the Stratagems into my army and it isn't too unfluffy if you care about such things. I am not super hip on the Meta, but my approach has been similar to how I used to run my Space Marines Competitively: Build a hybrid list and then play to your opponents weakness. So I like having the gunline aspect backed up by the ability to pressure with hordes or fast moving melee units. I haven't been privileged enough to play with my normal friends to have them bring super hard Ultramarine or IG lists yet, but I think with a mix of Poxwalkers, Bloat Drones, Shooty Plague Marines, and Plagueburst Crawlers you can leverage stuff to help you out of a tough fight. For now though I defer to the more experienced people in this thread as to the viability of the Codex.
Blight Haulers don't sound useful enough to me. They are useless on Poxwalkers, and the cost of them (especially considering their weapons hit on 5's most of the time unless you bring 3) doesn't seem worth the 17% increase they give to the durability of Plague Marines. I almost feel like being able to change the weapons to cheaper stuff, like Heavy Bolters and their equivalents, would make them good. Even better if you could throw more auto hit weapons on them since they want to get close to your enemy. As they are I think we have too many other units that are better to make taking them anything more than a gimmick or fluff choice.
I run my Blightlords in 5 man teams. 4 Combi-plasmas, 4 Bubotic Axes, and 1 Flail. I typically prefer not having a Lord drop with them, and instead Warptime my DP into range of them while Running my Poxwalker hordes and Plague Marines up to meet them.
Are there any death guard lists that people run that don't use a butt ton of pox and cultists?
Seems like so many DG lists I see here have minimum actual DG... Haha. Not many Plaugue marines at all
Dew wrote: Are there any death guard lists that people run that don't use a butt ton of pox and cultists?
Seems like so many DG lists I see here have minimum actual DG... Haha. Not many Plaugue marines at all
PMs are honestly too overpriced, try to compare them to for berzerkers.
Dew wrote: Are there any death guard lists that people run that don't use a butt ton of pox and cultists?
Seems like so many DG lists I see here have minimum actual DG... Haha. Not many Plaugue marines at all
Welcome to the competitive DG lists. Pox & Cultists galore, yet almost no PMs. Maybe a 5-man squad with Plasma just because, though even that seems less favorable.
PM are so expensive. So are their transports, which are pretty useful if you aren't slogging with a screen. We require a lot of support characters too. It just winds up being tough to make a competitively viable list that [i]feels[/] like a Death Guard army.
Now, if you are going for fun, then go for what is fun. Won't matter much in a casual environment.
I see, that makes sense I suppose.
I'm coming over from Necrons though so EVERYTHING seems cheap to me lol.
Trying to build up a list based off the Dark Imperium set and I love the actual PM and DG models so I'm just looking around at lists feeling like I'm going to have to buy and paint as assload of cultists/pox now.
The PM models are just too rad not to use! But then again I'm not a tourny player.
So if I try and avoid a pox/cultist horde I'm definitely going to need some transports then
Dew wrote: Are there any death guard lists that people run that don't use a butt ton of pox and cultists?
Seems like so many DG lists I see here have minimum actual DG... Haha. Not many Plaugue marines at all
I have been running a TDA heavy force and really enjoying it. It's got 3 units of 10-15 poxwalkers though. I've got one more rhino to build before I run plague marines everywhere. The durability of our TDA is very satisfying, but all the buffs and debuffs from an infantry heavy force are something I am looking forward to. Probably wont get a game in with them for a month or two. No time this week, then the following 3 month I'm out of town or busy on the select days I play. I'll post when I get around to it.
killerpenguin wrote: I thought I’d try out malefic lords for the first time today. Have you guys tried them?
Here’s the list if you’re interested.
Spoiler:
++ Brigade Detachment +9CP (Chaos - Death Guard) ++
+ HQ +
Chaos Lord: Bolt pistol, Chainaxe, Fugaris' Helm
Malignant Plaguecaster: Blades of Putrefaction, Miasma of Pestilence
I havent run Malefic lords since the DG book came out, but I ran them a lot before codex started to drop. I had a few from last edition R&H, as well as a cabal (or whatever it was called) the R&H group psyker. I ran 3-5 in just about every list when it was index only. Opponents spoke up on how annoying and frustrating they were, so I stopped spamming them. They are terrifyingly good, especially if they perils. Awesome HQ when you just want to bring some nurglings along in a CHAOS detachment.
Dew wrote: Are there any death guard lists that people run that don't use a butt ton of pox and cultists?
Seems like so many DG lists I see here have minimum actual DG... Haha. Not many Plaugue marines at all
I have been running a TDA heavy force and really enjoying it. It's got 3 units of 10-15 poxwalkers though. I've got one more rhino to build before I run plague marines everywhere. The durability of our TDA is very satisfying, but all the buffs and debuffs from an infantry heavy force are something I am looking forward to. Probably wont get a game in with them for a month or two. No time this week, then the following 3 month I'm out of town or busy on the select days I play. I'll post when I get around to it.
Yeah I would be interested to see it.
I would like to build more of an infantry DG/armor list instead of just horde spam. Definitely getting a blightlord unit next. I have a small pool of Nurgle Daemons I'd like to sprinkle into that as well
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