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Land speeder preview:



Love the classic paint scheme

Yellow vehicle for the Ultramarines Legion.

LOVE IT. Really bucking the boring pure-color schemes of the Codex era.

I'm not sure I like it. I like the original rocket chair where they pretend to have controls. Having actual controls is not an improvement in my book. The bulked out sides also unduly detract from the crew.

Love that it's yellow, though.

 Custodian wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
Thanks for the pictures, Custodian - with the model in hand, would you say the head is as bad as the pictures made it out to be, or is a victim of FW paintjob/photography?

Comparing it to the bare heads from the Warden and "regular" Custodes kits, I'd say the proportions are a little off on the resin head, being generally larger, and the cables being much wider.

And my view on the helmet-issue is that I don't like having superhuman warriors clad in some of the best armour the Imperium can offer, with life-support systems that can ensure their survival in all but the worst conditions and incorporating advanced sensors into their most basic Space Marine power armour, leave their helmets at home based on some idea that they'll "look cooler/fiercer/tougher" without them. Doesn't sound like something a centuries-old warrior would do. Not to mention that culturally, not wearing a helmet or removing it in the presence of soldiers from other units is a sign of respect or veneration. Going off the sentiments of the Custodes from Master of Mankind, I find the notion of them doing anything like that to even a Space Marine hard to believe.

Well, bare heads have been a thing since RT and RTB01.

 zedmeister wrote:
Land speeder preview:

Spoiler:

Love the classic paint scheme

I can`t decide whether I like it or not.. The turbines right behind the seats - wut? When bullets start flying - there is no protection except for the power armour itself - wut? I like how it`s painted more than the mini it seems. So what`s the point? Bring multi melta as close and as fast as possible - surely there is a better way. Like a skull drone. At least modern Land Speeders have some protection and pack more heat (bascily they are warhammer helicopters). But nonetheless the overall look of this retro speeder is still somewhat.. attractive.

SnotlingPimpWagon wrote:

 zedmeister wrote:
Land speeder preview:

Spoiler:

Love the classic paint scheme

I can`t decide whether I like it or not.. The turbines right behind the seats - wut? When bullets start flying - there is no protection except for the power armour itself - wut? I like how it`s painted more than the mini it seems. So what`s the point? Bring multi melta as close and as fast as possible - surely there is a better way. Like a skull drone. At least modern Land Speeders have some protection and pack more heat (bascily they are warhammer helicopters). But nonetheless the overall look of this retro speeder is still somewhat.. attractive.

The point is retro.

Kinda wish they did that more often, I'd love a modern quality sculpt of the rogue trader dreadnought.

Normally I like the way GW and FW revamp some of their old, Rogue Trader-era designs and bring them into 30k/40k.

This is not one of those times. I think this thing looks like hot garbage.

But, hey, if it scratches people's nostalgia itch, more power to 'em.

changemod wrote:

SnotlingPimpWagon wrote:

 zedmeister wrote:
Land speeder preview:

Spoiler:

Love the classic paint scheme

I can`t decide whether I like it or not.. The turbines right behind the seats - wut? When bullets start flying - there is no protection except for the power armour itself - wut? I like how it`s painted more than the mini it seems. So what`s the point? Bring multi melta as close and as fast as possible - surely there is a better way. Like a skull drone. At least modern Land Speeders have some protection and pack more heat (bascily they are warhammer helicopters). But nonetheless the overall look of this retro speeder is still somewhat.. attractive.

The point is retro.

Kinda wish they did that more often, I'd love a modern quality sculpt of the rogue trader dreadnought.

I know that the point of producing and selling this is to get those fan`s nostalgia juices flowing. I meant in terms of use in a Space Marine army - this looks like a death trap for the crew.

FW gave them controls, why not make the speeder look like it`s not about to mince up the pilots with their skilift chairs.

SnotlingPimpWagon wrote:

changemod wrote:

SnotlingPimpWagon wrote:

 zedmeister wrote:
Land speeder preview:

Spoiler:

Love the classic paint scheme

I can`t decide whether I like it or not.. The turbines right behind the seats - wut? When bullets start flying - there is no protection except for the power armour itself - wut? I like how it`s painted more than the mini it seems. So what`s the point? Bring multi melta as close and as fast as possible - surely there is a better way. Like a skull drone. At least modern Land Speeders have some protection and pack more heat (bascily they are warhammer helicopters). But nonetheless the overall look of this retro speeder is still somewhat.. attractive.

The point is retro.

Kinda wish they did that more often, I'd love a modern quality sculpt of the rogue trader dreadnought.

I know that the point of producing and selling this is to get those fan`s nostalgia juices flowing. I meant in terms of use in a Space Marine army - this looks like a death trap for the crew.

FW gave them controls, why not make the speeder look like it`s not about to mince up the pilots with their skilift chairs.

Its about as dangerous as a bike and they are wearing tank armor anyway.

You can add a control panel without throwing off the overall look of it, but the overall look of it is two chairs haphazardly strapped to a pair of jet engines with a Melta atop.

Frankly I think it looks ridiculous, yet is still at the same time a cool take on an ancient, in and of itself ridiculous, model. They tweaked it about as far as they could without losing the reference, so on that basis they did a good job and have probably accepted that the target market for this figure is people who want a retro rogue trader land speeder with modern sculpting techniques.

that speeder is sofa king dope.i can't wait till it's available.

I just hope it comes with multiple weapon options. It looks like melta in the pic.

I hope so too, but will FW be able to resist going the 'expansion pack' route with weapons options for it?

 Mysterio wrote:
I hope so too, but will FW be able to resist going the 'expansion pack' route with weapons options for it?

Looking at the Javelin, I think not.

changemod wrote:

SnotlingPimpWagon wrote:

 zedmeister wrote:
Land speeder preview:

Spoiler:

Love the classic paint scheme

I can`t decide whether I like it or not.. The turbines right behind the seats - wut? When bullets start flying - there is no protection except for the power armour itself - wut? I like how it`s painted more than the mini it seems. So what`s the point? Bring multi melta as close and as fast as possible - surely there is a better way. Like a skull drone. At least modern Land Speeders have some protection and pack more heat (bascily they are warhammer helicopters). But nonetheless the overall look of this retro speeder is still somewhat.. attractive.

The point is retro.

Kinda wish they did that more often, I'd love a modern quality sculpt of the rogue trader dreadnought.

That's the Contemptor and Deredeo! I'd really like to see the re-imagining of the Space Crusade one...

Ah! Finally we have a Land Speeder useable in 30k. The plastic 40k one was first introduced several millennia after the Heresy, so is anachronistic in HH games.

I like how it looks, it is basically a dual jetbike. I suppose the point is mobility at the expense of armour.

Needs a safety sign saying do not stand while meltagun in use.

 Desubot wrote:
Its about as dangerous as a bike and they are wearing tank armor anyway.

Um, look up difference between having bike crash at 100 km/h and having a plane crash at 100 km/h. Hint, one is (theoretically) survivable, especially if you have full body protection, the other is not. It's even worse at higher speeds - first contact with the ground sends you tumbling and you end up with your head breaking your neck, or ripping it clean off if the force of impact is strong enough. It's not even remotely comparable. On the ground, you can survive much worse impacts (look up Kubica's 30G crash in 2007), in air, your chances are slim to none.

Anyway, yeah, don't like it. Old one at least had tiny pretense of being small enough to not be hit. New one is big, has turbines right behind pilot to send supersonic shrapnel from fantastically hard alloy right into his back once something hits it, and has zero pilot protection. Not even armoured harness assault marines wear to make sure first hit won't send the crew flying. FW, you realize a simple turn at 250 km/h can mean forces up to 9G acting on driver? In SM terms, each marine suddenly weighting 2.5 tons directed outward? There is a reason F1 drivers not only have 5 point harness, but special HANS device supporting their helmet and protecting neck from sudden forces acting on it...

Even the gun looks like it would hit bits of speeder (or pilot's head) if you tried to depress it low enough to hit something on the ground. They should have put it under the vehicle, where flamer on old speeder is, there is (again) reason modern helicopters mount gun turret there.

 Irbis wrote:

 Desubot wrote:
Its about as dangerous as a bike and they are wearing tank armor anyway.

Um, look up difference between having bike crash at 100 km/h and having a plane crash at 100 km/h. Hint, one is (theoretically) survivable, especially if you have full body protection, the other is not. It's even worse at higher speeds - first contact with the ground sends you tumbling and you end up with your head breaking your neck, or ripping it clean off if the force of impact is strong enough. It's not even remotely comparable. On the ground, you can survive much worse impacts (look up Kubica's 30G crash in 2007), in air, your chances are slim to none.

Anyway, yeah, don't like it. Old one at least had tiny pretense of being small enough to not be hit. New one is big, has turbines right behind pilot to send supersonic shrapnel from fantastically hard alloy right into his back once something hits it, and has zero pilot protection. Not even armoured harness assault marines wear to make sure first hit won't send the crew flying. FW, you realize a simple turn at 250 km/h can mean forces up to 9G acting on driver? In SM terms, each marine suddenly weighting 2.5 tons directed outward? There is a reason F1 drivers not only have 5 point harness, but special HANS device supporting their helmet and protecting neck from sudden forces acting on it...

Even the gun looks like it would hit bits of speeder (or pilot's head) if you tried to depress it low enough to hit something on the ground. They should have put it under the vehicle, where flamer on old speeder is, there is (again) reason modern helicopters mount gun turret there.

Please, suspend some disbelief here. This is an anti-gravity speeder for two genetically modified human soldiers in a galaxy-wide empire that relies on mutant navigators and psychics to travel through a hellscape dimension in its fight against a myriad of alien races and daemons in the name of an immortal god being who may also be dead (but is totally not dead).

And you are worried about the practicality of this vehicle.

 Irbis wrote:

 Desubot wrote:
Its about as dangerous as a bike and they are wearing tank armor anyway.

Um, look up difference between having bike crash at 100 km/h and having a plane crash at 100 km/h. Hint, one is (theoretically) survivable, especially if you have full body protection, the other is not. It's even worse at higher speeds - first contact with the ground sends you tumbling and you end up with your head breaking your neck, or ripping it clean off if the force of impact is strong enough. It's not even remotely comparable. On the ground, you can survive much worse impacts (look up Kubica's 30G crash in 2007), in air, your chances are slim to none.

Anyway, yeah, don't like it. Old one at least had tiny pretense of being small enough to not be hit. New one is big, has turbines right behind pilot to send supersonic shrapnel from fantastically hard alloy right into his back once something hits it, and has zero pilot protection. Not even armoured harness assault marines wear to make sure first hit won't send the crew flying. FW, you realize a simple turn at 250 km/h can mean forces up to 9G acting on driver? In SM terms, each marine suddenly weighting 2.5 tons directed outward? There is a reason F1 drivers not only have 5 point harness, but special HANS device supporting their helmet and protecting neck from sudden forces acting on it...

Even the gun looks like it would hit bits of speeder (or pilot's head) if you tried to depress it low enough to hit something on the ground. They should have put it under the vehicle, where flamer on old speeder is, there is (again) reason modern helicopters mount gun turret there.

Well its not like they are strapping anyhting the size of a harrier jet or a 747

more like one of those small planes or a car that can float.

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:


Please, suspend some disbelief here. This is an anti-gravity speeder for two genetically modified human soldiers in a galaxy-wide empire that relies on mutant navigators and psychics to travel through a hellscape dimension in its fight against a myriad of alien races and daemons in the name of an immortal god being who may also be dead (but is totally not dead).

Sig-worthy, and probably a great place to end this admittedly entertaining diversion!

You don't even need to resort to the annoying(IMO) "it's just fantasy maaaan, suspend your disbelief, free your miiiind" line of argument, because you absolutely can cock things up when writing/designing for a fantasy/scifi IP if you break the internal consistency badly enough.

But, I'm not seeing how this breaks the setting's internal consistency. There are turbines right behind the crew in the plastic speeder. The crew of the plastic speeder are also exposed, albeit to a lesser degree, and there are certainly other Marine vehicles - including flying ones - that have exposed pilots. If they decided to fluff-away the lack of armour by stating this model of speeder uses a forcefield, that would also not be inconsistent with 30K.

There's no justifiable reason to dislike this version of the speeder - aesthetics aside - that doesn't also apply to the 40K speeder, to jetbikes, to the Javelin, to normal Marine bikers, etc etc.

Is it goofy as hell? Yup. Is it hideously impractical? Indeedy. Welcome to 40K/30K, where you can stick wings on a brick and it will fly, and where it apparently makes sense for elite warriors to ride around on flying dickbikes with lances shorter than the body of their mount. This is a pretty odd place to draw the line, IMO.

Personally I love it, though I don't know if I'll get one as from that angle it looks like it would be a huge pain in the arse to artscale it to fit Primaris-size pilots.

Damn that speeder looks… hideous.

While some old models still look good, and still fit in the setting – this is definitely not one of them. It doesn’t hold to either 30k or 40k aesthetics, and will just look silly on the table with the current range and Primaris marines.

It could look ok in a Guard army, if you swap the marines out for Guardsmen, but, I have no idea what unit you’d be proxying it for!

I’m not sure I agree with FW taking time out to try to make nostalgia plays.

 Haighus wrote:
Ah! Finally we have a Land Speeder useable in 30k.

We didn't before?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Haighus wrote:
Ah! Finally we have a Land Speeder useable in 30k.

We didn't before?

I'm glad someone made that point before I had to

No underslung weapon on this new/old Speeder? Interesting.

I wonder if we'll see an Imperial Army variant with a plasma cannon

 Haighus wrote:
Ah! Finally we have a Land Speeder useable in 30k. The plastic 40k one was first introduced several millennia after the Heresy, so is anachronistic in HH games.

Says who? There's background images in Forge World's books featuring the plastic Land Speeder. I thought there'd been pictures of it used in the old Horus Heresy CCG, but those are the 2nd edition Land Speeder (shown in use by the Emperor's Children and World Eaters) - which I believe is also going to be re-imagined.


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 Dysartes wrote:

No underslung weapon on this new/old Speeder? Interesting.

I think this model is just an alternative for the plastic model, not a new army list entry. So it only has a single weapon, like the standard land speeder

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Haighus wrote:
Ah! Finally we have a Land Speeder useable in 30k.

We didn't before?

That is a Javelin attack Speeder. Not a Land Speeder. They are different.

I use the old 2E metal land speeders in my 30K army.
Anyway, just a little more than a week until Valdor is released and I can place my order.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
I use the old 2E metal land speeders in my 30K army.

I always liked that design more than the current plastic one. As they're doing retro speeders, I wish they would make a new version of that.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:

 Haighus wrote:
Ah! Finally we have a Land Speeder useable in 30k. The plastic 40k one was first introduced several millennia after the Heresy, so is anachronistic in HH games.

Says who? There's background images in Forge World's books featuring the plastic Land Speeder. I thought there'd been pictures of it used in the old Horus Heresy CCG, but those are the 2nd edition Land Speeder (shown in use by the Emperor's Children and World Eaters) - which I believe is also going to be re-imagined.


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 Dysartes wrote:

No underslung weapon on this new/old Speeder? Interesting.

I think this model is just an alternative for the plastic model, not a new army list entry. So it only has a single weapon, like the standard land speeder

It has been awhile since I did the research, but it is in one of the Imperial Armour books I believe- STC recovered after the Heresy. Most plastic kits are available during the HH, so the Land Speeder is unusual. The Predator Annihilator is one of the few other examples.


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 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Haighus wrote:
Ah! Finally we have a Land Speeder useable in 30k.

We didn't before?

That is a Javelin attack Speeder. Not a Land Speeder. They are different.

Yup, with different rules. I could see a Land Speeder being done in this style though.


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Found it:

IA2 Second Edition, page 148. Specifically menitons that the current Land Speeder was dicovered post-Heresy, and that a much different looking design was used during the Great Crusade.

So seems FW retconned that text out then seeing it's been shown in HH art. IA2 2nd edition isnt' all that new book now is it?