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Zed wrote: *All statements reflect my opinion at this moment. if some sort of pretty new model gets released (or if I change my mind at random) I reserve the right to jump on any bandwagon at will.
I mean, it all seems to be very much a "Legends of Tomorrow Season 1 but we're supposed to think the Time Masters are the good guys for a while."
I imagine Sylvie's motive is going to end up being 'no fate but what we make, no destiny but what we make for ourselves.'
For a God of Mischief, a predetermined outcome is their anathema. - Like Loki said, if you know he's always going to betray them, that's not mischief. It's the uncertainty that is key.
On the other hand, we're halfway through, we should have seen something more about that. Then again, we've not seen much of anything.
I think there might be something to that 'not actually a Loki, but someone related to one' idea. - I don't know about that.
But yeah, Glorious Purpose = destroy the occulus Sacred Timeline
Compel wrote: I mean, it all seems to be very much a "Legends of Tomorrow Season 1 but we're supposed to think the Time Masters are the good guys for a while."
I imagine Sylvie's motive is going to end up being 'no fate but what we make, no destiny but what we make for ourselves.'
For a God of Mischief, a predetermined outcome is their anathema. - Like Loki said, if you know he's always going to betray them, that's not mischief. It's the uncertainty that is key.
Yeah, it'd be weird if Loki had some sort of predetermined destiny of betrayal...
Jadenim wrote: I’m guessing they’re using the Volume to film this, given the absolutely epic scenery for this episode?!
It's mostly filmed on-location in Georgia (which doesn't HAVE a volume set yet ... ).
The Book of Fett was mostly filmed in the Volume, and Obi-wan is likewise being done that way - but those are also filmed in Cali, so no need to venture to redneck county, GA).
I'm OVER 50 (and so far over everyone's BS, too).
Old enough to know better, young enough to not give a ****.
That is not dead which can eternal lie ...
... and yet, with strange aeons, even death may die.
regarding Sylvie, I've got a guess for her background and motivation given on what we've seen thus far... this is only a guess based on the VERY limited things we've seen, but she seems to not be "of asgard" and she does not remember her mother. So my guess is she was adopted by someone else (or even raised by her biological parents) in fact I'm guessing we're going to discover THIS is why Loki is one of the most common varients
Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two
I agree that we could've done with a bit more of the arc, but it was a very enjoyable episode nonetheless. It good to see that they homaged British 70's sci-fi by setting it in a quarry :-) and there was some suspicious 'wheezing groaning' noises in the shot of the town build around the rocket.
But who leaves an evacuation until the very moment when Worlds Collide?.
Hopefully next week we should see some real movement on the plot.
BrianDavion wrote: regarding Sylvie, I've got a guess for her background and motivation given on what we've seen thus far... this is only a guess based on the VERY limited things we've seen, but she seems to not be "of asgard" and she does not remember her mother. So my guess is she was adopted by someone else (or even raised by her biological parents) in fact I'm guessing we're going to discover THIS is why Loki is one of the most common varients
Weirdly enough I'm thinking the same thing. Apparently in the MCU aliens are now canonically terrible with metaphors? It was Drax's defining trait, and definitely a running gag for Loki. So because Sylvie is at least able to recognize a terrible metaphor- I'm thinking she's human, or human raised. The self-taught magic thing would back that up as well, since with very few exceptions humans live in a world without magic.
Klawz-Ramming is a subset of citrus fruit?
Gwar- "And everyone wants a bigger Spleen!"
Mercurial wrote:
I admire your aplomb and instate you as Baron of the Seas and Lord Marshall of Privateers.
Orkeosaurus wrote:Star Trek also said we'd have X-Wings by now. We all see how that prediction turned out.
Orkeosaurus, on homophobia, the nature of homosexuality, and the greatness of George Takei.
English doesn't borrow from other languages. It follows them down dark alleyways and mugs them for loose grammar.
Zed wrote: *All statements reflect my opinion at this moment. if some sort of pretty new model gets released (or if I change my mind at random) I reserve the right to jump on any bandwagon at will.
@straightsilver isn't it great that EVERYONE in this series is an unreliable narrator, has a wildly imperfect understanding of the situation or has some secret motive? It's like watching Clue.
Klawz-Ramming is a subset of citrus fruit?
Gwar- "And everyone wants a bigger Spleen!"
Mercurial wrote:
I admire your aplomb and instate you as Baron of the Seas and Lord Marshall of Privateers.
Orkeosaurus wrote:Star Trek also said we'd have X-Wings by now. We all see how that prediction turned out.
Orkeosaurus, on homophobia, the nature of homosexuality, and the greatness of George Takei.
English doesn't borrow from other languages. It follows them down dark alleyways and mugs them for loose grammar.
Ahtman wrote: Episode 3, to me, had the feel of a Dr. Who episode. ie The Doctor and his companion are stuck on a planet about to come to an end and have to escape.
Not really a plot thing it just gave off that vibe.
Oh, it entirely did. Specifically the episode with Martha and jack at the end of time with the evac ship. It didn't have the cannibal people, but otherwise had much the same feel. Even the flashback scene to the mind probe had me thinking, 'wait, is this trying to make me think of the new doctor?'
@Gitzbitah- only if it goes somewhere. Overdoing the unreliable narrator can just leave a big mess on the floor.
One thing I cannot get after episode 3 - shouldn't the Lokis have very easy time to get through all these enforcers? They are asgardians after all = even the weakest is several times stronger/tougher etc. than the human. In the TVA their powers etc. do not work but in other places they should be able to win easly unless faced by the Hulk/Eternals etc. level baddies.
Shadow Walker wrote: One thing I cannot get after episode 3 - shouldn't the Lokis have very easy time to get through all these enforcers? They are asgardians after all = even the weakest is several times stronger/tougher etc. than the human. In the TVA their powers etc. do not work but in other places they should be able to win easly unless faced by the Hulk/Eternals etc. level baddies.
Yay, its been weirdly inconsistent all the way through. At some points they're struggling a lot, and at other points Loki is catching a falling building with his mind. He also isn't using his illusions and displacement abilities much at all (and badly when he does, like with the old woman), even though in the films he seems to make it a basic part of his fighting style. Even in last episode, the idea that an enchanted biker guy was throwing him around the department store was rather weird.
They should have trivially pushed through these mooks, and spent a lot more time playing word games with each other. Brute physical challenges from normal mortals just aren't relevant.
Shadow Walker wrote: One thing I cannot get after episode 3 - shouldn't the Lokis have very easy time to get through all these enforcers? They are asgardians after all = even the weakest is several times stronger/tougher etc. than the human. In the TVA their powers etc. do not work but in other places they should be able to win easly unless faced by the Hulk/Eternals etc. level baddies.
Loki isn't Asgardian, he's a Frost Giant. A diminutive one at that.
Shadow Walker wrote: One thing I cannot get after episode 3 - shouldn't the Lokis have very easy time to get through all these enforcers? They are asgardians after all = even the weakest is several times stronger/tougher etc. than the human. In the TVA their powers etc. do not work but in other places they should be able to win easly unless faced by the Hulk/Eternals etc. level baddies.
Yay, its been weirdly inconsistent all the way through. At some points they're struggling a lot, and at other points Loki is catching a falling building with his mind. He also isn't using his illusions and displacement abilities much at all (and badly when he does, like with the old woman), even though in the films he seems to make it a basic part of his fighting style. Even in last episode, the idea that an enchanted biker guy was throwing him around the department store was rather weird.
They should have trivially pushed through these mooks, and spent a lot more time playing word games with each other. Brute physical challenges from normal mortals just aren't relevant.
Spoiler:
Ah. But it’s not a human world, is it?
Asgardians and Jotunn are far from the only beings with superior strength. Indeed, us weedy ‘oomies tend to be notable for being weedy, sans technology.
Plus, yes they’re hiding in another apocalypse, but without the knowledge or who would and wouldn’t survive. The more damage they do, the more they risk the TVA showing up and taking them back into custody.
We even saw a certain physical match during the scrap on the train.
Why punch someone’s lights out when you can spend a fraction of a second tricking them or mentally dominating them?
Expedience has a lot going for it.
Fed up of Scalpers? But still want your Exclusives? Why not join us?
StraightSilver wrote: On her TVA file though she is listed as Sylvie Laufeydottir, with Laufey as her biological father.
So it would seem her birth is at least the same as Loki's.
Of course the TVA file could be lying....
I can’t help but wonder if Sylvie doesn’t turn out to be Sylvie Lokidottir. Would not keep with the comics canon of either Lady Loki, or Sylvie the Enchantress. But I would make an interesting twist, and would give Loki a reason to free all of his horned brethren Outside of the Pompeii catastrophe.
Valete,
JohnS
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Valete,
JohnS
"You don't believe data - you test data. If I could put my finger on the moment we genuinely <expletive deleted> ourselves, it was the moment we decided that data was something you could use words like believe or disbelieve around"
I think you guys are making huge assumptions that all of the TVA Variants are Humans or have Human level powers.
I kind of think Mobius is going to turn out to be one of Kangs variants. We know he exists. HE should have the most Variants of anybody, even Loki. So where are they?
Shadow Walker wrote: One thing I cannot get after episode 3 - shouldn't the Lokis have very easy time to get through all these enforcers? They are asgardians after all = even the weakest is several times stronger/tougher etc. than the human. In the TVA their powers etc. do not work but in other places they should be able to win easly unless faced by the Hulk/Eternals etc. level baddies.
Yay, its been weirdly inconsistent all the way through. At some points they're struggling a lot, and at other points Loki is catching a falling building with his mind. He also isn't using his illusions and displacement abilities much at all (and badly when he does, like with the old woman), even though in the films he seems to make it a basic part of his fighting style. Even in last episode, the idea that an enchanted biker guy was throwing him around the department store was rather weird.
They should have trivially pushed through these mooks, and spent a lot more time playing word games with each other. Brute physical challenges from normal mortals just aren't relevant.
Spoiler:
Ah. But it’s not a human world, is it?
Asgardians and Jotunn are far from the only beings with superior strength. Indeed, us weedy ‘oomies tend to be notable for being weedy, sans technology.
Plus, yes they’re hiding in another apocalypse, but without the knowledge or who would and wouldn’t survive. The more damage they do, the more they risk the TVA showing up and taking them back into custody.
We even saw a certain physical match during the scrap on the train.
Why punch someone’s lights out when you can spend a fraction of a second tricking them or mentally dominating them?
Expedience has a lot going for it.
I see absolutely no reason to assume that every rando they get into a punch-out with is superhuman, especially when the overall competence level of the opposition is 'abysmally poor' (and apparently immune to self-interest).
The point is we're seeing far too many physical matches, and they're defaulting to brawling instead of tricking or dominating. They try poorly* from time to time, but then just give up and go for punches.
*especially with the old woman. That felt like a D&D party attacking and failing, bluffing and failing, and then trying for disguise self and bluff again, despite there being no reason the target would fall for it after multiple other attempts.
The train was basically bluffing into the next fight, with a brief digression into actual story for a few minutes.
Then the final obstacle course happened, and they completely ditched being any sort of being clever for just fruitless punching of pointless mooks.
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And at this point, they aren't hiding. That isn't even vaguely on this episode's agenda.
And at this point, they aren't hiding. That isn't even vaguely on this episode's agenda.
There's no need to hide while they're in the midst of the Apocalypse event.
The one thing that did occur to me the other day is that if the TVA picks up on a variant the instant it causes a timeline branch, Sylvie should have been erased the moment she was born simply for being female when 'prime' Loki is male. Either her mother was on the run until Sylvie was able to run for herself, or the TVA are working through a backlog of variants rather than picking them up as they occur, or they haven't actually been around for very long - in cosmic terms, at least... Loki is around a thousand years old, so assuming Sylvie is the same age, that would put the TVA's creation somewhere inside that time period.
That latter idea would mean that the one 'sacred' timeline shown on the TVA's monitors would have branches from back before they started doing their thing, but Variants from those branches wouldn't necessarily be a problem unless they cross into the main timeline for some reason.
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And at this point, they aren't hiding. That isn't even vaguely on this episode's agenda.
There's no need to hide while they're in the midst of the Apocalypse event.
But that's what I mean. The fact that they're in an Apocalypse event is completely undesirable at this point. They aren't hiding. They don't want to be there. Having TVA agents show up would actually be fantastic for them, as its a way out and a way back to both/either of their 'plans.'
Everything (by anyone's definition of 'everything') is off the rails, and having Hunter Team #465 show up with a new MacGuffin is the most straightforward solution. They can be basically gods for a fight because the narrative says so, go back to the elevator, and move on with letting the audience know what's going on.
Either her mother was on the run until Sylvie was able to run for herself, or the TVA are working through a backlog of variants rather than picking them up as they occur, or they haven't actually been around for very long
That's a very linear look at things. The Sylvie variant matters because she's been butchering TVA squads and taking their stuff. The TVA seems to exist outside of time, so the question of 'how long' doesn't really matter. A 'backlog' doesn't matter, nabbing hundreds of variants of Loki was apparently trivial and even Cosmic level stuff is treated like paperweights in the TVA. The big thing is she's been rather unique in being a problem for their hunter squads, not how 'long' she's been a variant.
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That's a very linear look at things. The Sylvie variant matters because she's been butchering TVA squads and taking their stuff. The TVA seems to exist outside of time, so the question of 'how long' doesn't really matter. A 'backlog' doesn't matter, nabbing hundreds of variants of Loki was apparently trivial and even Cosmic level stuff is treated like paperweights in the TVA. The big thing is she's been rather unique in being a problem for their hunter squads, not how 'long' she's been a variant.
But it does matter. Once they enter a timestream, they're locked into following it in a linear fashion. Her very existence would have triggered a nexus event, because it's a variance from the 'true' Loki. The logical thing would have been for the TVA to delete her timeline before she was born, but for some reason they have waited until she was old enough to put up a fight and go on the run, which doesn't seem consistent with what they've shown about how quickly variant timelines need to be dealt with before they are a problem.
That's a very linear look at things. The Sylvie variant matters because she's been butchering TVA squads and taking their stuff. The TVA seems to exist outside of time, so the question of 'how long' doesn't really matter. A 'backlog' doesn't matter, nabbing hundreds of variants of Loki was apparently trivial and even Cosmic level stuff is treated like paperweights in the TVA. The big thing is she's been rather unique in being a problem for their hunter squads, not how 'long' she's been a variant.
But it does matter. Once they enter a timestream, they're locked into following it in a linear fashion. Her very existence would have triggered a nexus event, because it's a variance from the 'true' Loki. The logical thing would have been for the TVA to delete her timeline before she was born, but for some reason they have waited until she was old enough to put up a fight and go on the run, which doesn't seem consistent with what they've shown about how quickly variant timelines need to be dealt with before they are a problem.
That's because time travel plots never work if you think about them for more than a few seconds. Just got to let it go and assume the people with the power to travel through time are too dim to or unoriginal to think of more than the most basic ways to use it. After all, they have time travel. It's not like they're accustomed to having to live with consequences
I will forever love the scenes in Bill and Ted where they “abuse” time travel to have future versions of themselves go to the past to leave stuff waiting for them they need in the present.
Shadow Walker wrote: One thing I cannot get after episode 3 - shouldn't the Lokis have very easy time to get through all these enforcers? They are asgardians after all = even the weakest is several times stronger/tougher etc. than the human. In the TVA their powers etc. do not work but in other places they should be able to win easly unless faced by the Hulk/Eternals etc. level baddies.
Loki isn't Asgardian, he's a Frost Giant. A diminutive one at that.
You are correct but still all the races from the 9 Realms seems to be physically superior to humans. Freya is Vanir so also technically not an Aesir/Asgardian (although much closely related to Asgardians than a Jotunn), and she would wreck this enforcers with easy. Remember Loki's fight with the Captain America? In MCU Cap is stronger than in comics, and still he had no chances against Loki, which was a correct portrayal of what you should expect from a 9 Realms ''gods''.
not Fing Fang Foom, but a different dragon. I actually already have the POP! Fig for it but I don’t remember it’s name and know nothing about it. You can google it up if you want further spoilers.
As for the cage fight
Spoiler:
thats definitely gotta be Abomination. They gave him his fin ears from the comics and everything.
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