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Glad to finally see the Maw Tribes getting an appearance. Though, it seems like they didn't (along with Orruk Warclans, and CoS), get any endless spells.

Nice to see that they did infact combine Gut busters, and beast claws, and based on this pic, looks like Fire Bellies might be in there too.



Really hoping they have some sort of character/leader for the beast claws riding a Mournfang. As I could use my forge world Rhinox riders for those. Or, y'know, they could just make rhinox riders a thing... again.

 skullking wrote:
Glad to finally see the Maw Tribes getting an appearance. Though, it seems like they didn't (along with Orruk Warclans, and CoS), get any endless spells.

Completely me theorizing/speculating, but there is some references to the city of Excelsis and how Gordrakk is headed there to destroy it. Its a plot hook that is left up in the air.

I could see the CoS/Warclans Endless Spells maybe put into a Forbidden Power-esque boxed set based around that confllct.

But that's just me wishlisting, though Battletomes sometimes do have hints of future releases in the fiction.

I literally can't afford to be a GW customer anymore.

I mean, that $195 set is absurdly expensive for, what, 26 unassembled, unpainted miniatures? Like, has anyone just sat down and objectively looked at what they are offering for that price? Can ANYONE reasonably justify the $195 price tag? That's like US healthcare levels of rip off. We're paying $15 for aspirin and $20 to rent a blanket, guys.

I think GW has lost perspective on the value of their product. And they aren't the only one. I finally looked it up, and I've spent about $2,400 on GW products since the beginning of the year. That's WAY higher than I expected it to be and I'm kind of blown away by how poorly managed my money has been. I'm not poor, but I will be if I continue buying GW products.

It's like GW prices just boil you slowly, like a lobster. You sort of become accustomed to paying these inflated prices, and then the next one is just a little bit more expensive. And that becomes the new normal, so the next one is just a bit more expensive. In my head, I wasn't spending $2,400. I was buying a box of this and a box of that, just like I always was - only they cost a lot more than they did two years ago. Two years ago, I spent roughly half that, and I think I got just as much, if not more.

And they could've probably gotten away with it too, but they turned up the heat too fast. I bought Looncurse in May for $133. It's five months later and they are asking for an additional $60 for what is essentially the same level of product - and I'm getting out of the pot. Let my boiling be a wake up call for your own purchasing habits. You might be buying the same amount of GW products, but spending a lot more than you think.

Nobody can really give you a price comparison, seeing as how a full half of it isn't even known for box sizes or anything.

And using a discounted price is silly when you're then trying to play it off as a "$60 increase!". Looncurse was $160 when it came out, so you're not going to be paying "$60 more!" if you go the same route as you did with Looncurse.

 Sqorgar wrote:
I literally can't afford to be a GW customer anymore.

I mean, that $195 set is absurdly expensive for, what, 26 unassembled, unpainted miniatures? Like, has anyone just sat down and objectively looked at what they are offering for that price? Can ANYONE reasonably justify the $195 price tag? That's like US healthcare levels of rip off. We're paying $15 for aspirin and $20 to rent a blanket, guys.

I think GW has lost perspective on the value of their product. And they aren't the only one. I finally looked it up, and I've spent about $2,400 on GW products since the beginning of the year. That's WAY higher than I expected it to be and I'm kind of blown away by how poorly managed my money has been. I'm not poor, but I will be if I continue buying GW products.

It's like GW prices just boil you slowly, like a lobster. You sort of become accustomed to paying these inflated prices, and then the next one is just a little bit more expensive. And that becomes the new normal, so the next one is just a bit more expensive. In my head, I wasn't spending $2,400. I was buying a box of this and a box of that, just like I always was - only they cost a lot more than they did two years ago. Two years ago, I spent roughly half that, and I think I got just as much, if not more.

And they could've probably gotten away with it too, but they turned up the heat too fast. I bought Looncurse in May for $133. It's five months later and they are asking for an additional $60 for what is essentially the same level of product - and I'm getting out of the pot. Let my boiling be a wake up call for your own purchasing habits. You might be buying the same amount of GW products, but spending a lot more than you think.

It is indeed a slow boil. Well said here all around in my opinion. I'm doing GW skirmish stuff now non-tournament style, and I have plenty of Lord of the Rings to enjoy, but I stopped trying to keep up with AoS and 40K earlier this year. It has noticeably helped my finances.

Suprisingly GW didnt charge 200usd for that. And god bless GW for stopping me from buying too many things that i don't need with these "okay" value set.

 Kanluwen wrote:
And using a discounted price is silly when you're then trying to play it off as a "$60 increase!". Looncurse was $160 when it came out, so you're not going to be paying "$60 more!" if you go the same route as you did with Looncurse.

This is a fair point. I didn't write down where I bought Looncurse, so I wasn't sure if I got a discount or not on it. It isn't available anymore, so that's the only price I had. With a similar discount, this $195 box would cost me $167 - so it is only $30 more (Blood of the Phoenix is still $70 more expensive, even with the discount).

And that's the problem. GW is raising the price on everything, all the time - and because the old stuff doesn't stick around, it's hard to match prices. Like, I know that Beastgrave is more expensive than Nightvault was only a year ago... but by how much? 10%? 15%? How much did the Start Collecting boxes used to be? $80? $85? The new Kill Team starter set is $160, but how much did the old one cost? $150? $140? I can't remember. I'd have to go look it up.

Part of why the boiling alive is so successful is because the old stuff doesn't stick around, reminding you how much you paid. When something is gone from GW, it is gone. Memory hole'd. But Looncurse was recent enough that I know that I didn't pay anywhere near $195 for it. I know that it is not only more expensive, but it is a lot more expensive. Maybe a good 20% more expensive. Blood of the Phoenix is, what, 40% more expensive? The jump is great enough that I can see it clearly, maybe for the first time, which is why I decided to check and saw that my GW spending is considerably more than I expected. Raising the price of everything $10-$30 really starts to add up, very quickly.

 Sqorgar wrote:
Can ANYONE reasonably justify the $195 price tag?

Personally; yes and no. Yes in the sense that I am buying it, no in the sense that I am paying strictly paying the full price for the full contents; I am planning to resell some of the miniatures I don't like as much. In that sense I am paying less to get less, but that 'less' is only the parts I like the most.

 Sqorgar wrote:
I literally can't afford to be a GW customer anymore.

I mean, that $195 set is absurdly expensive for, what, 26 unassembled, unpainted miniatures? Like, has anyone just sat down and objectively looked at what they are offering for that price? Can ANYONE reasonably justify the $195 price tag? That's like US healthcare levels of rip off. We're paying $15 for aspirin and $20 to rent a blanket, guys.

I think GW has lost perspective on the value of their product. And they aren't the only one. I finally looked it up, and I've spent about $2,400 on GW products since the beginning of the year. That's WAY higher than I expected it to be and I'm kind of blown away by how poorly managed my money has been. I'm not poor, but I will be if I continue buying GW products.

It's like GW prices just boil you slowly, like a lobster. You sort of become accustomed to paying these inflated prices, and then the next one is just a little bit more expensive. And that becomes the new normal, so the next one is just a bit more expensive. In my head, I wasn't spending $2,400. I was buying a box of this and a box of that, just like I always was - only they cost a lot more than they did two years ago. Two years ago, I spent roughly half that, and I think I got just as much, if not more.

And they could've probably gotten away with it too, but they turned up the heat too fast. I bought Looncurse in May for $133. It's five months later and they are asking for an additional $60 for what is essentially the same level of product - and I'm getting out of the pot. Let my boiling be a wake up call for your own purchasing habits. You might be buying the same amount of GW products, but spending a lot more than you think.

Have an exalt! Well said and true! It’s become absurd to me. I’m not sour about it, as it keeps the money in my pockets.... I have a decent enough disposable income, I just can’t justify to myself spending so much for so little. It makes me sad for the hobby, as it is has simply become inaccessible to so many, and is becoming more so all the time. It’s definitely made me much more selective about what I collect, but has pushed folks I had gotten into the hobby, out of it.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

 Sqorgar wrote:
Can ANYONE reasonably justify the $195 price tag?

Personally; yes and no. Yes in the sense that I am buying it, no in the sense that I am paying strictly paying the full price for the full contents; I am planning to resell some of the miniatures I don't like as much. In that sense I am paying less to get less, but that 'less' is only the parts I like the most.

Sorry. I didn't mean, can anyone justify paying that price - obviously, plenty of people intend to buy this thing. I'm saying, can anyone justify charging that price? Like, at an objective level, is that $195 worth of development, production, planning, materials, and transportation? Compared to similar products in the marketplace that are half or even a third of the price (even by GW themselves), what does this box do that represents an increased value proposition to the player? Is there increase quantity, quality, or uniqueness? Or is it driven entirely by hype, with no actual substance to back it up?

I guess one way to answer that question would be to wait two weeks after it is released and see if you are still willing to pay $195 for it. If, after two weeks, you still want it, then it might be worth it. But I suspect that in those two weeks, there will be six new things to get hyped about, including regular boxes for these armies that you can buy. I mean, I was pumped for Looncurse, but here we are months later, and I haven't even started putting it together yet. I guess I was just caught up in the hype. But $195 is a lot to pay for hype.

 Sqorgar wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
And using a discounted price is silly when you're then trying to play it off as a "$60 increase!". Looncurse was $160 when it came out, so you're not going to be paying "$60 more!" if you go the same route as you did with Looncurse.

This is a fair point. I didn't write down where I bought Looncurse, so I wasn't sure if I got a discount or not on it. It isn't available anymore, so that's the only price I had. With a similar discount, this $195 box would cost me $167 - so it is only $30 more (Blood of the Phoenix is still $70 more expensive, even with the discount).

And that's the problem. GW is raising the price on everything, all the time - and because the old stuff doesn't stick around, it's hard to match prices. Like, I know that Beastgrave is more expensive than Nightvault was only a year ago... but by how much? 10%? 15%? How much did the Start Collecting boxes used to be? $80? $85? The new Kill Team starter set is $160, but how much did the old one cost? $150? $140? I can't remember. I'd have to go look it up.

Part of why the boiling alive is so successful is because the old stuff doesn't stick around, reminding you how much you paid. When something is gone from GW, it is gone. Memory hole'd. But Looncurse was recent enough that I know that I didn't pay anywhere near $195 for it. I know that it is not only more expensive, but it is a lot more expensive. Maybe a good 20% more expensive. Blood of the Phoenix is, what, 40% more expensive? The jump is great enough that I can see it clearly, maybe for the first time, which is why I decided to check and saw that my GW spending is considerably more than I expected. Raising the price of everything $10-$30 really starts to add up, very quickly.

So what i got from this is confirming that the spoiled "store discount folks" play an important role in this price crisis? Well they have been the one to quickly come to GW defense everytime someone criticizing and voicing concern about the impending price crisis.

But knowing GW better I'd say they'd raise the price regardless because it's part of their ongoing social experiment and goal to double profit every year, you folk just gave them the needed confident boost.

 Sqorgar wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

 Sqorgar wrote:
Can ANYONE reasonably justify the $195 price tag?

Personally; yes and no. Yes in the sense that I am buying it, no in the sense that I am paying strictly paying the full price for the full contents; I am planning to resell some of the miniatures I don't like as much. In that sense I am paying less to get less, but that 'less' is only the parts I like the most.

Sorry. I didn't mean, can anyone justify paying that price - obviously, plenty of people intend to buy this thing. I'm saying, can anyone justify charging that price? Like, at an objective level, is that $195 worth of development, production, planning, materials, and transportation? Compared to similar products in the marketplace that are half or even a third of the price (even by GW themselves), what does this box do that represents an increased value proposition to the player? Is there increase quantity, quality, or uniqueness? Or is it driven entirely by hype, with no actual substance to back it up?

I guess one way to answer that question would be to wait two weeks after it is released and see if you are still willing to pay $195 for it. If, after two weeks, you still want it, then it might be worth it. But I suspect that in those two weeks, there will be six new things to get hyped about, including regular boxes for these armies that you can buy. I mean, I was pumped for Looncurse, but here we are months later, and I haven't even started putting it together yet. I guess I was just caught up in the hype. But $195 is a lot to pay for hype.

Well if it is not worth it to you maybe this is the wrong hobby for your personal tastes. Posting a paragraph long passive-aggressive insult to someone who likes the product certainly isn't going to help.

Where are you reading the insult there?

The box certianly seems to be less enticing than some of the previous offerings, with GW clearly relying on "new shiny army" syndrome to sell it.
This is purely anecdotal, but with the recent price rises and general Kirby-esque behavior being displayed by GW again (that their superb social media team tries real hard to hide), I find myself spending less on GW than I used to even last year.

Frankly sqorgar, this all reads more along the lines of 'I cannot manage my purchases'. Like, gak 2000 euros in purchases is incredibly brutal. Like, I've spent 400 euros, and that is me buying almost every month something.

Like oh goodness, it's literally buying half an army a month, that is insane!

GW's pricing is kind of odd if you ask me. There doesn't seem to be a cost difference in miniatures for skirmish games and mass battle games.

For example, I'm okay paying 170 USD for the Warcry starter because it gives you minis, rules, terrain, Dice, a ruler, etc....literally everything you need for a complete game. It's also not that outlandish compared to third party games.....if two players got into Frostgrave they would likely spend 60 for minis for the two warbands, 50 for terrain, 20 for rules, and another 20-30 for monsters, Dice, measuring devices. GW skirmish games are relatively close to the rest of the market.

Paying 195 USD for boxed set they includes roughly a quarter to a third of two armies, with no terrain, no rules.....you are looking at another 300-500 USD for each player before you can get a complete experience.....and that is with very minimal or impromptu terrain. This is way more expensive that most other mass combat games.

Non-UK buyers do get very unfavourable rates, which is not cool.

I have struggled for several years to get a grip on my impulse purchases of GW and Privateer Press. I repeatedly bought and sold hundreds and hundreds of pounds before ebaying most of it and then starting the whole cycle again. But that's on me, not either of those companies.

We're being overcharged for everything in the world and every company has different local prices based on local buying power, and that includes digital downloads with literally zero material costs. That's just the reality of capitalism. Tho GW may be the only one that charges more in the US than in Europe.

 Sabotage! wrote:
GW's pricing is kind of odd if you ask me.

That might be the understatement of the year. And a kind one at that.

GW's pricing is balls to the wall slowed. Pure and simple.

 Sqorgar wrote:
I mean, that $195 set is absurdly expensive for, what, 26 unassembled, unpainted miniatures? Like, has anyone just sat down and objectively looked at what they are offering for that price? Can ANYONE reasonably justify the $195 price tag? That's like US healthcare levels of rip off. We're paying $15 for aspirin and $20 to rent a blanket, guys.

Well, in a way, it costs about as much as past boxes - a bit under the price of two Start Collecting sets. The problem is that SC price went up for whatever reason, meaning the battle boxes went up as well. If you can justify the cost of SC, you can justify this one. If you can't, you can't. Simple as that. Though, I feel GW priced it based on that huge pound drop thanks to clown in charge of the country, only to see the pound rebound right up once parliament told him to shut up and behave.

Also, '23' miniatures is really a bit disingenuous here. It's not infantry like in terribad Phoenix set, it's all minis larger than terminators on one side, and 5 big, monstrous creatures on the other with only a single 25 mm infantry unit in the whole box. Of course this number is going to look underwhelming without a context, but it's far better than '25' in Phoenix despite looking similar at a first glance. You can probably sell one side to get the other one free, especially if you wait a bit, so in a way the price is justifiable.

 Sqorgar wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
And using a discounted price is silly when you're then trying to play it off as a "$60 increase!". Looncurse was $160 when it came out, so you're not going to be paying "$60 more!" if you go the same route as you did with Looncurse.

This is a fair point. I didn't write down where I bought Looncurse, so I wasn't sure if I got a discount or not on it. It isn't available anymore, so that's the only price I had. With a similar discount, this $195 box would cost me $167 - so it is only $30 more (Blood of the Phoenix is still $70 more expensive, even with the discount).

And that's the problem. GW is raising the price on everything, all the time - and because the old stuff doesn't stick around, it's hard to match prices. Like, I know that Beastgrave is more expensive than Nightvault was only a year ago... but by how much? 10%? 15%? How much did the Start Collecting boxes used to be? $80? $85? The new Kill Team starter set is $160, but how much did the old one cost? $150? $140? I can't remember. I'd have to go look it up.

Part of why the boiling alive is so successful is because the old stuff doesn't stick around, reminding you how much you paid. When something is gone from GW, it is gone. Memory hole'd. But Looncurse was recent enough that I know that I didn't pay anywhere near $195 for it. I know that it is not only more expensive, but it is a lot more expensive. Maybe a good 20% more expensive. Blood of the Phoenix is, what, 40% more expensive? The jump is great enough that I can see it clearly, maybe for the first time, which is why I decided to check and saw that my GW spending is considerably more than I expected. Raising the price of everything $10-$30 really starts to add up, very quickly.

I got boiled right out of GW games almost a decade ago. I finally have an income where I could theoretically "afford" to buy GW stuff and I wouldn't have to eat white rice for a month, but I've found non GW games and miniatures so rewarding I don't think I'm ever coming back.

There are tons of great non GW options out there right now! (And they can all be much less expensive than the GW equivalent)
Want amazing mass battle game play with great backstory/fluff and regular releases? Try Song of Ice and Fire or Conquest: Last Argument of Kings
Want mass battles using any darn miniatures you want and top tier strategy? Play Kings of War.
Want fun thematic skirmishes? Play Frostgrave.
Want a fantasy skirmish sandbox with rewarding rules? Play Song of Blades and Heroes.

I could understand it if all the models were new, but half the box is some truly decrepit early 00's kits with just the new Tyrant and the slightly younger artillery rhinox being up to modern standards.

Cronch wrote:
I could understand it if all the models were new, but half the box is some truly decrepit early 00's kits with just the new Tyrant and the slightly younger artillery rhinox being up to modern standards.

And on top of that they put 2 leadbelchers instead of the full box of 4.

Like. Really GW? Why are you so petty?

 Sqorgar wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

 Sqorgar wrote:
Can ANYONE reasonably justify the $195 price tag?

Personally; yes and no. Yes in the sense that I am buying it, no in the sense that I am paying strictly paying the full price for the full contents; I am planning to resell some of the miniatures I don't like as much. In that sense I am paying less to get less, but that 'less' is only the parts I like the most.

Sorry. I didn't mean, can anyone justify paying that price - obviously, plenty of people intend to buy this thing. I'm saying, can anyone justify charging that price? Like, at an objective level, is that $195 worth of development, production, planning, materials, and transportation? Compared to similar products in the marketplace that are half or even a third of the price (even by GW themselves), what does this box do that represents an increased value proposition to the player? Is there increase quantity, quality, or uniqueness? Or is it driven entirely by hype, with no actual substance to back it up?

I guess one way to answer that question would be to wait two weeks after it is released and see if you are still willing to pay $195 for it. If, after two weeks, you still want it, then it might be worth it. But I suspect that in those two weeks, there will be six new things to get hyped about, including regular boxes for these armies that you can buy. I mean, I was pumped for Looncurse, but here we are months later, and I haven't even started putting it together yet. I guess I was just caught up in the hype. But $195 is a lot to pay for hype.

Well, you answered your own question, didn't you? The justification for charging that price is that plenty of people will buy it at that price.

That's... not what he meant. I think he made that pretty clear.

Some info from GW in their latest videos

army wide battleshock immunity

a new "command point" style system that allows our units to use special tactics with specific leaders and units having their own "tactics" i.e the mortrek guard can reroll failed saves for a turn

we are definitely getting stormcast style chambers or "bonehosts" (thats what im calling them, and im sticking to it) one of which gives army wide +1 save, and uses more monsters, one has inbuilt magic defence, one is cavalry based, and one "explodes when they die"

along with this we know that we will have necromancer style units and that the army is supposed to be very elite.

i would higly reccomend watching them on youtube if you are interested in the army and have the time.

 Galas wrote:

Cronch wrote:
I could understand it if all the models were new, but half the box is some truly decrepit early 00's kits with just the new Tyrant and the slightly younger artillery rhinox being up to modern standards.

And on top of that they put 2 leadbelchers instead of the full box of 4.

Like. Really GW? Why are you so petty?

They very well might have reduced the unit sizes for the book, as they don't tend to give you understrength units with these boxes.

Greaysoul wrote:
Some info from GW in their latest videos

army wide battleshock immunity

a new "command point" style system that allows our units to use special tactics with specific leaders and units having their own "tactics" i.e the mortrek guard can reroll failed saves for a turn

we are definitely getting stormcast style chambers or "bonehosts" (thats what im calling them, and im sticking to it) one of which gives army wide +1 save, and uses more monsters, one has inbuilt magic defence, one is cavalry based, and one "explodes when they die"

along with this we know that we will have necromancer style units and that the army is supposed to be very elite.

i would higly reccomend watching them on youtube if you are interested in the army and have the time.

Tnx will check out the vid.

I am going for "Legions"

Ivory Host: Although they appear as both magnificent and noble in aspect, this hides a dark secret as they forged from bestial bones and in battle often give in to a brutal animal rage, tearing, clawing and hacking at their enemies.
Petrifex Elite: Single-minded and almost indestructible they are forged from fossils, but this does make them ponderous.
Null Myriad: Created from some of the millions of skeletons used in the construction of the Black Pyramid, they have incredibly resilient to magic.
Stalliarch Lords: Known to set impossible terms as an excuse to destroy empires of the living.

Chopstick wrote:So what i got from this is confirming that the spoiled "store discount folks" play an important role in this price crisis? Well they have been the one to quickly come to GW defense everytime someone criticizing and voicing concern about the impending price crisis.

I think it obfuscates the pricing situation to GW's advantage. I mean, GW has a global audience and even this forum is people from multiple different countries, and every time you talk about price, you almost have to include which currency. How many people get sticker shock from accidentally going to the AUS version of the GW website? And then you've got different stores giving out different discounts, and basically nobody is paying the same price for GW goods, making a technical discussion about their prices into tower of babel-level confusion.

Every time the pricing argument comes up, the discounts cause confusion. $160 is too much to pay for this... but with a discount, it's only $130. I paid $130 for this... but that was the discounted price, the actual value is $160. Depending on the discussion the discount can either be GW's saving grace, or your own misguided understanding of how much the product is worth - but it never reflects poorly on GW. Nobody ever goes, why is GW charging $160 for that?

NinthMusketeer wrote:Well if it is not worth it to you maybe this is the wrong hobby for your personal tastes. Posting a paragraph long passive-aggressive insult to someone who likes the product certainly isn't going to help.

There was no insult intended. The heart wants what the heart wants. I'm accusing GW of artificially inflating the perceived value of products so that they can charge, frankly, absurd prices for it.

Take the scarcity issue. The fact that things like Killzones/Ravaged Lands, two army box sets, starter sets, and anything with cards goes out of stock within weeks says less about the demand of these products to me, and more about GW creating artificial scarcity. Like, these products are selling out in a weekend, which should indicate that they are charging too little for them - but we don't know the true value of these things because they never get reprints. We never see what the actual demand for these products is, just what the demand is during their one week preorder period when people are hyped, unable to see what's being released in two weeks, and during which a serious issue with FOMO is driving up demand.

That's why GW won't reprint any of their non-evergreen products. That's why they won't announce what they are releasing more than a week or two before it gets released. They don't ever want the true value of these products to ever become known, hoping that their inflated hype/FOMO value becomes the perceived value. It feels a bit manipulative, like loot boxes or battle passes - things that don't initially seem that bad that maybe I even welcomed, but over time, realized how much it was controlling my decision making.

As for the wrong hobby, I think this is explicitly a GW issue. I find most of their competitors to be much more reasonably priced, with more predictable releases, allowing me to budget more carefully ahead of time. With GW, I have no idea how much I will spend in a given month.

Lord Kragan wrote:Frankly sqorgar, this all reads more along the lines of 'I cannot manage my purchases'. Like, gak 2000 euros in purchases is incredibly brutal. Like, I've spent 400 euros, and that is me buying almost every month something.

Like oh goodness, it's literally buying half an army a month, that is insane!

This is fair, and I'm rather shocked at how badly I screwed the pooch myself. I generally only spend maybe $50-$150 per game system, per year. With GW games, it is closer to $200-$300 per GW game, with expensive stuff like killzones/ravaged lands representing a huge increase - I spent double on Kill Team/Warcry than anything else because of them.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Galas wrote:

Cronch wrote:
I could understand it if all the models were new, but half the box is some truly decrepit early 00's kits with just the new Tyrant and the slightly younger artillery rhinox being up to modern standards.

And on top of that they put 2 leadbelchers instead of the full box of 4.

Like. Really GW? Why are you so petty?

They very well might have reduced the unit sizes for the book, as they don't tend to give you understrength units with these boxes.

As per previous posters, the leadbelcher sprue contains 4 sets of leadbelcher arms.
So the box should be able to make up to 4, regardless of how GW advertises it (as those arms fit the basic Ogre bodies used in all the plastic infantry kits).