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Well said. So at that point, the only real cost to switch is the new codex (which you should have anyway -- Know Your Enemy!)

Corollax wrote:
Well said. So at that point, the only real cost to switch is the new codex (which you should have anyway -- Know Your Enemy!)

excellent point...and i may actually have a space wolf model or 2 floating around. I just like the idea of a guaranteed 5++ on a 50 man squad, that would piss off anyone

generalchaos34 wrote:
excellent point...and i may actually have a space wolf model or 2 floating around. I just like the idea of a guaranteed 5++ on a 50 man squad, that would piss off anyone

A 5++ isn't all that impressive when standard cover also gives a 5++.

 Peregrine wrote:

generalchaos34 wrote:
excellent point...and i may actually have a space wolf model or 2 floating around. I just like the idea of a guaranteed 5++ on a 50 man squad, that would piss off anyone

A 5++ isn't all that impressive when standard cover also gives a 5++.

yeah, but i was thinking of the stupid suicide tactic of running them straight down the field with 2 demolishers coming up behind them (or in front) making the enemy have to deal with them instead of my artillery and long range guns

I would try to put them in front, but allow room for the lasguns to fire. (I can't remember if allied units block LoS)

If I was to run an infantry platoon, would it be worth it to put the squads in chimeras? Or should I only really be doing that with vets?

Gyrtop wrote:
I would try to put them in front, but allow room for the lasguns to fire. (I can't remember if allied units block LoS)

If I was to run an infantry platoon, would it be worth it to put the squads in chimeras? Or should I only really be doing that with vets?

No, PIS are not worth buying a chimera for. They get one special weapon at BS3, so it really doesn't work.

On the allies front, I have found BA assault marines to be excellent (at least in my local meta). I can have 2 melta guns that scatter 1d6, reroll failed reserve rolls and are space marines for somewhere in the ball park of 200 points.

Of course, if you're already bringing a comms relay for other reasons (such as getting your Vendettas in reliably, or delaying them until the enemy aircraft have presented themselves as a target), then any marine contingent will be able to reroll their reserve rolls.

And while a drop pod does have 2d6 scatter instead of 1d6, it reduces that scatter with the inertial guidance rule and allows a 6" disembark upon landing. So not only can you reduce your effective scatter, you also get to disperse your unit and render them less vulnerable to blast templates.

Corollax wrote:
Of course, if you're already bringing a comms relay for other reasons (such as getting your Vendettas in reliably, or delaying them until the enemy aircraft have presented themselves as a target), then any marine contingent will be able to reroll their reserve rolls.

And while a drop pod does have 2d6 scatter instead of 1d6, it reduces that scatter with the inertial guidance rule and allows a 6" disembark upon landing. So not only can you reduce your effective scatter, you also get to disperse your unit and render them less vulnerable to blast templates.

True, but for those who don't run Vendettas or who are on a budget, BA assault marines are not a terrible alternative.

Perhaps not -- but I still think Space Wolves come out better in the final analysis.

With suicide melta stormtroopers, do you have a squad of only 5 or a full 10 man squad?

Also is there any reason to leave a chimera with meltavets, flamer pcs etc? (Except to take objectives). You can just ride around in the Chimera firing out of the hatch right?

Why taking 10 suicide meltatroopers? It won't give you more melta shots.

If you use plasmatroopers , then it might be worth it.

foxyfennec wrote:

Also is there any reason to leave a chimera with meltavets, flamer pcs etc? (Except to take objectives). You can just ride around in the Chimera firing out of the hatch right?

As long as the chimera lasts it's best to stay inside. However, it probably won't last particularly long! So expect them to be walking at some point.

 Griddlelol wrote:

foxyfennec wrote:

Also is there any reason to leave a chimera with meltavets, flamer pcs etc? (Except to take objectives). You can just ride around in the Chimera firing out of the hatch right?

As long as the chimera lasts it's best to stay inside. However, it probably won't last particularly long! So expect them to be walking at some point.

Also, you would have to get out to claim an objective.

Buuut... on the contrary, spewing out possible 6-7 flamer templates a turn spells death for Orks & Nids.

Happygrunt wrote:No, PIS are not worth buying a chimera for. They get one special weapon at BS3, so it really doesn't work.

Not... always.

Yeah, buying a single chimera for a PIS is dumb. Platoons CAN work in part of a larger mech strategy. They're a cheaper way to get more chimeras for your AV12 wall, and they do help pile in more scoring units into an army type that can easily be lacking them. And, of course, al'rahem.

But if you're not going for a specific strategy with them, then yeah, leave the PISs on foot.

I´ve bought my first Valkyrie-kit today and until now im wondering if it is necessary to convert it into a Vendetta especially because the conversion kit from forge world is pretty expensive for 3 lascannons...... I have no experience with fliers whatsoever but don´t they have a very similar role?

No overlap in role other than troop transporting.

Don't use the forge world kit, it's overpriced for what you get. I just had lascannons from the guard HWT box and stuck them on. Or you can easily get lascannons from the HWT box from ebay for quite cheap - a hell of a lot cheaper than the FW kit.

Could always scratch build some lascannons. I used my extras for my first Vendetta, ran out of lascannons to fit the others.

Is the Valkyrie still a solid choice?

 Bobthehero wrote:
Is the Valkyrie still a solid choice?

It's alright compared to balanced units, but terrible compared to the Vendetta. Since it's so easy to convert a Vendetta once you have a Valkyrie kit there's really no reason to ever build one as a Valkyrie.

(Unless you're using the Elysian drop troops list.)

Don't have pieces to run it as a Vendetta, and I wouldn't want it, especially since my army shouldn't have a Valkyrie in the first place.

I am planning on allying Elysians, tho.

I would t worry about it Bob. For the time being I run two of mine weaponless. Until I find someone with some extra guard lascannons at my flgs I can purchase