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 kodos wrote:

Does anyone have a TLDW on that video?

I decided to forgo the web-app and write out army lists in a word form, as it wasn't a mobile device app as I had expected.

I'm also surprised at the lack of buzz I have seen from the ambush kits. Very little commentary on the forums.

Frankly I only had 1-2 sales of the ambush kits, so I may not be the norm in regards to mantic's retail trade partners.

They changed the App Subscription to Bronze (army builder for 1 game), Silver (everything for 1 game), Gold (everything) level
and Silver/Gold subscribers get the pdf version of new supplements on release day in addition to the LRB in the App
also some talk about the tournament/event organiser and the Living Rulebook in general

for the Ambush kits, I had several people asking, specially to compare it to the 2 player set about them but the local store still has them on pre-order so don't know if the sell or not

Thanks for the recap! I'm happy to have a more affordable tier, I've been putting off thinking about what happens when Mantic comes calling for that subscription money and I have to delete all my lists

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A review of EoD skellies by our fellow dakkanaut

 Shadow Walker wrote:
A review of EoD skellies by our fellow dakkanaut

I'm a colossal Tomb king fan, but I despise those models.

Weird wavy spears, the cloth looks wrong and overall it looks... soft features and kind of 'gummy'

However the Idol and the monolith Mantic do for Empire of dust are INCREDIBLE models!

 Gir Spirit Bane wrote:

I'm a colossal Tomb king fan, but I despise those models.

Weird wavy spears, the cloth looks wrong and overall it looks... soft features and kind of 'gummy'

The spears are the worst part of the models like WTF were they smoking?!

Mantic can be very random in quality of composition and design, sometimes they get it very right. Usually they get it very wrong.

I don't hate these, but it's just another example of Mantic's relentless pursuit of "adequate".

I'm not in the market for a fantasy army right now, but it's been a long time since Mantic put out an army that made me say "oh I'd like to collect that!"

 Eilif wrote:
I don't hate these, but it's just another example of Mantic's relentless pursuit of "adequate".

I'm not in the market for a fantasy army right now, but it's been a long time since Mantic put out an army that made me say "oh I'd like to collect that!"

It's a very timely video for me as I was about to order the mantic EOD Ambush set....I will not now. By the time I fix the spears, I could get my printer up and running again and buy a nicer STL.

I’ve got some of the EOD and I quite like them. Of course, I didn’t assemble any with the spears…. The swords are nice, and the bows look better when reversed (cut and turned around to look more like recurve bows) in my opinion. The spear tips, when cut from the shafts and attached to the hands, make fun “exotic” daggers. If you like everything else but hate the spears, it’s not like they have no other options.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
I’ve got some of the EOD and I quite like them. Of course, I didn’t assemble any with the spears…. The swords are nice, and the bows look better when reversed (cut and turned around to look more like recurve bows) in my opinion. The spear tips, when cut from the shafts and attached to the hands, make fun “exotic” daggers. If you like everything else but hate the spears, it’s not like they have no other options.

That's a good point. Alternate spears are not hard to source so if one likes the models, it'd likely be worth it at Mantic's prices to source new spears rather than buying completely different figures.

Sounds like you've come up with some nice clever mods for the other weapons also.

 Eilif wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
I’ve got some of the EOD and I quite like them. Of course, I didn’t assemble any with the spears…. The swords are nice, and the bows look better when reversed (cut and turned around to look more like recurve bows) in my opinion. The spear tips, when cut from the shafts and attached to the hands, make fun “exotic” daggers. If you like everything else but hate the spears, it’s not like they have no other options.

That's a good point. Alternate spears are not hard to source so if one likes the models, it'd likely be worth it at Mantic's prices to source new spears rather than buying completely different figures.

Sounds like you've come up with some nice clever mods for the other weapons also.

The problem I have with all of that is "Why even buy them if I have to convert half to begin with?" I can do that easy enough, but now with 3D printing, I could print models and convert them for cheaper. Mantic started out as the poor mans Warhammer fantasy, but the prices keep going up like GW with a lower level of skill in the sculpts. I really like the basic Kings of War game rules, but the models have been leaving me feeling blah. I was even looking at sourcing models from Ankh to build a Kings of war EOD army, almost as expensive, but they all look better to me without the fuss of fixing a spear or bow (2 really easy to have made correctly items to begin with).

3D printing is its own thing, and will likely be cheaper than any plastic option. For great, non-printed minis, TTCombat had a kickstarter a few years ago for more Tomb Kings-like Egyptian skellies, and those are very nice. They are resin, and the big sets might be comparable price wise to Mantic’s big EOD sets. (I haven’t checked in a while.)

What were they thinking with thise Spears and bows? They look so dumb, and make a passable kit into an avoid kit.

Glad I have the Warlord Games Skeletons for my Tomb Kings.

Kings of war ogre with GW head scale reference to the new Wargames Atlantic ogres

The sizes all look fine to me. I don't dislike the Mantic Ogre redesign. I just like the old hammer'ish look of the WGA ogres better

Spears are tricky
I recently had the EoD, Victrix Saxons, Stormcast and FireForge historical infantry on the table

the EoD and the FF ones just look off with their size, while the Saxons look best but break easily, same as the Stormcast

So need to replace them anyway, the FF & EoD because they look strange, the Stormcast and Victrix ones because they break (though for the Stormcast also the Hammers break which is more annoying than the replacing the spears).
Though the EoD ones can get away with hero scale fantasy models, they don't need to look realistic (unlike the FireForge ones) and as the models don't just sit on the shelf I really appreciate stuff that does not break (I shelved my FoN Stormcast Army simply because it is annoying to constantly glue the weapons and I was not in the mood to replace the shafts with copper on painted models yet)

So I can understand why they were going for that style, though a little less might have worked also (but would still look off)

Haven't seen the Trident Realm fleet pictures here so far, so here they are:



Really great looking stuff. Here's hoping for some rules that will be unique without breaking the game.

Fantasy nautical warfare isn't my thing, but I have to give Mantic (and moreover, whoever the sculptors were) credit for those creature ships. Some highly imaginative, well-executed designs there.

 kodos wrote:
Spears are tricky
I recently had the EoD, Victrix Saxons, Stormcast and FireForge historical infantry on the table

the EoD and the FF ones just look off with their size, while the Saxons look best but break easily, same as the Stormcast

So need to replace them anyway, the FF & EoD because they look strange, the Stormcast and Victrix ones because they break (though for the Stormcast also the Hammers break which is more annoying than the replacing the spears).
Though the EoD ones can get away with hero scale fantasy models, they don't need to look realistic (unlike the FireForge ones) and as the models don't just sit on the shelf I really appreciate stuff that does not break (I shelved my FoN Stormcast Army simply because it is annoying to constantly glue the weapons and I was not in the mood to replace the shafts with copper on painted models yet)

So I can understand why they were going for that style, though a little less might have worked also (but would still look off)

Good points all around. I generally err on the side of a bit too big for durability, but too big is too big.

The pvc spears on my Runewars figures might not be perfectly straight, but I've only broken 1 out of 32 . Even classic lead spears will give you a couple unbends before they snap.

Historical gamers have long used wire stock with or without metal ends. But often those are too thin too look right with with heroic miniatures.

The sense I get from so many of Mantic's releases is "this would have been great 15 years ago". Which is to say there is often nothing cripplingly wrong with them, they just aren't up to par with the competition. They need to be either cheaper or better, for the most part, to attract my interest.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
The sense I get from so many of Mantic's releases is "this would have been great 15 years ago". Which is to say there is often nothing cripplingly wrong with them, they just aren't up to par with the competition. They need to be either cheaper or better, for the most part, to attract my interest.

Yeah. Just a little too much nostalgia for 'how Citadel used to be', combined with - IMO - just a taste of a near-historical-gaming 'as long as you've got a token on the table' attitude.

The Dreadfleet Armada minis look alright. Just alright. (I maybe need to look harder - are there any ships in the game, or just these creatures wearing Time Bandits hats?)

all the others faction use ships, it's just the Trident Realms that uses sea monsters

As it is somewhat relevant here:

I'm running a sale until Friday on main catalog mantic special orders and extra 5% for a total discount of 25%.

Free shipping over $100 in order value to us addresses, and $200 for RoW (excepting the EU, which I cannot accept orders from.)

I'm surprised that this hasn't been picked up here yet. They're doing a new KS for dungeon saga (apparently) soon. New models and all that jazz. New old models? Models.

Fancy website.

Q&A

Which includes the first piece of new Twilight Kin art I've seen for a while (nicked from website).



TLDR of Ronnie's raving: New models, but not hard plastic. Similar to but not the same as the original in terms of gameplay (is this 2nd?). 3 expansions: goblin, evil dwarfs, naughty elves.

I spent a few hundred on Ronnie's promise of Mantic's Warhammer Quest style boardgame. Instead, I got Jake Thornton's Heroquest, by Jake Thornton for Jake "I hate RPG elements in my boardgames, and WHQ had a book named 'Roleplay Book" Thornton.

That's not going to happen again.

I dunno... I went all in on the Dungeon Saga KS and at the price that's being talked about, history could end up repeating itself...

New minis, new boards, new adventures. Ronnie's claims to have learnt lessons over the years.

Sure, why not?

I'd be interested in hearing both of your observations on the previous edition of Dungeon Saga.

A couple years ago I considered it and Heroquest. Went with Heroquest and am happy with it as a fun light dungeon crawler. But as is suggested, it is not really an RPG.

I’ve played Star Saga, which I assume is similar to Dungeon Saga. It was fine. I had fun playing it. The cardboard tiles were distractingly flimsy, and the rules felt a bit more gamey than Shadows of Brimstone, but not so much as Zombicide Invader. It never came close to unseating SOB as our game, but the minis and terrain pieces are quite nice and useful for other games.