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Getting my broom incase there is shenanigans.

They posted the new comp rules for 40K RTTs and possible Indy GT from Sacramento. Here they are:

http://www.greatescapegames.com/ContestofChampions/40K/COC%20Comp%20Scoring.htm

What do you guys think of the new comp rules?



 
   
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Ancient Chaos Terminator




South Pasadena

I think it is lame. My SM army that I was thinking of bringing up to the event would get a 21 without the bonus points. Much less if they had some way to dock me on "rending." I will look at my Black Legion list and see if it is more comp friendly.

BTW, what is non-armoured?

BTW, when is this super comp event?

Darrian
(Non comp-friendly)

 
   
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I think comp rules like these ridiculously favor some armies and are therefore idiotic and unfair.



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Comp is lame.

Anyone who supports comp for their wargame should have to play in a dress.


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Puget sound region, WA

I like it. I played in it last year and it helped get rid of the cheeze that everyone seems to see in everyone elses army. This tourney favors troops, and penalizes top heavy characters, etc... I play a troop heavy list so I have to do VERY little problems getting full comp (last year I took 29-30, I forget). It boils down to personal preferences on where is no standard, so just be aware of what you're getting into when signing up.

 
   
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Ancient Chaos Terminator




South Pasadena

Yeah, on first look, I would say that a drop-pod marine list would be both comp-friendly and successful.

Darrian

 
   
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South Pasadena

Comp is so lame! I would love to see the judges and organizers of this event have to wear dresses to the event.

Darrian

 
   
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Puget sound region, WA

Yea!!  Heaven forbid that folks have think about playing differently for a change! 

 
   
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These comp rules are pretty slowed, they penalize anything effective and favor Space Marines who have very effective basic units and require less heavy weapons because of higher BS.

Orks in general would be penalized by this comp, and that's just slowed.  


   
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40kenthus






Chicago, IL

What's the goal of this comp system? Are you trying to create diversity, or just steer people away from certain armies?

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I'd consider going, but my Deathwing would pretty much get a big fat 0 under this horrifying system.
   
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Can we at least stop referring to things as "lame" (and the other terms that pop up frequently) when we don't like things? This is meant to be a forum for everyone to use, and heaven forbid there maybe a few gamers who are "lame" etc. Just because a load of 16 years old saying frequently and it makes its way into the current lexicon doesn't make it right. Name calling just isn't funny.

And Mauleed, for some-one who claims to have people working for him you should know alot better. Use that at work and you will find yourself in court for discrimination before you can blink if used in the prescence of the wrong person. Want to make some-one rich?

If the language cannot be used in a relative public place like work I just don't think it is suitable for here either - we are meant to be responsible adults.

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Getting my broom incase there is shenanigans.

Anyone who supports comp for their wargame should have to play in a dress.


What about a kilt?

I support comp, but comp for a reason. This list has a lot of anti-Marine bias. Most armies have a lot of trouble getting close to good comp, and Marines have it very easy (Just for example no penalty for rending shooting, max squad size for them is only 10 models, they have the best basic trooper in the game, ATSKNF that is as good as fearless or better that they don't have to pay for, and access to a stength 8, AP3 weapon that most armies anti-tank is AP 2...I could go on).

I could make a very hard OOT Blood Angels army that would get very bad comp scores in any other RTT, but get next to perfect comp here.



 
   
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Yoor Speeshawl too Gawd!

I don't think breaking down comp like this works.  You should just have 5 catagories from excellent to broken.  You are always going to have some  dog balls givenbut the judges can correct that themselves if unwarranted. 

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Well, my Godzilla army gets a 22. And thats with the +2 for no special chars.

I get totally hosed on power weapons, # monstrous creatures, # fearless units, and % troop selections.

But I totally make out on AP1&2 weapons, # vehicles, multiple saves, and infiltration.

WTF is armored vs unarmored btw?
   
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Los Angeles

For all weapons with an AP or 1 or 2, multiply the strength of the weapon by the number of shots (maximum possible or average if random number). Add this number for all such weapons in the army and consult the chart below. For each AP1 weapon add 1 to the total.


Yeah, that was definitely my favorite. It should have read:

"Is your army effective against MEQs, the most commonly seen opponents in the game?"


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South Pasadena

Yeah Mauleed, you need to stop using the term "lame." Using the term "lame" is so lame! I am sure it offends "lame" people, whatever the hell "lame" means. I am sure that someone with a fullheadofhair somewhere is so offended by your blatant and flippant use of the word "lame," if indeed there is such a word,that he is forming some sort of special interrest group to protest the use of the word lame.

Darrian
(not lame)

 
   
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Posted By Darrian13 08/08/2006 3:58 PM
Yeah Mauleed, you need to stop using the term "lame." Using the term "lame" is so lame! I am sure it offends "lame" people, whatever the hell "lame" means. I am sure that someone with a fullheadofhair somewhere is so offended by your blatant and flippant use of the word "lame," if indeed there is such a word,that he is forming some sort of special interrest group to protest the use of the word lame.

Darrian
(not lame)



It also makes you sound like a complete and utter moron.  Unless you use this smiley of course

 

Still waiting for the comp identifier that provides increasing negatives for armor over 6+.  You average horde army would love it, your average MEQ player would be working under a severe deficit. Tau would be banned of course, and Eldar would be right out.  And don't get me started on those SOB's. Chicks are not allowed to have sticks! What, no doctor I haven't taken my medicine yet... 


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Posted By Darrian13 08/08/2006 3:58 PM
Yeah Mauleed, you need to stop using the term "lame." Using the term "lame" is so lame! I am sure it offends "lame" people, whatever the hell "lame" means. I am sure that someone with a fullheadofhair somewhere is so offended by your blatant and flippant use of the word "lame," if indeed there is such a word,that he is forming some sort of special interrest group to protest the use of the word lame.

Darrian
(not lame)

You forgot to add (not lame - not that there is anything wrong with that)

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Brotherhood of Blood

Destroys a GK army. Once again comp seems to favor marine armies above others.
   
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If your going to have comp, every army should have a CHANCE to meet all the requirements, other wise just list the armies you don't want to see at the tourney and give them a penalty.

Doesn't this question mean that Marines can only get a 45 at the absolute best? (-3 then, -2 for not having a max score for each catagory).

You mean to get full points everybody must spend 925 on troops? That means that If Tau only use FW then they need to take 8 squads (without wargear) to meet this requirement.

My Super uncheesy Necron list could only muster a 33. That's with EVERY SQUAD AT FULL size: 1 lord, 2 troops, 1 Immortal, 1 Flayed, 1 wraith, 1 destroyers, 1 scarabs, and no Monolith (yeah I really am building that army for fun). That's a medium comp list? What's a brother gotta do to get a perfect?

And if your lame, are you also a phag or just kweer?


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whidbey

comp systems like this would make me want to bring the 4 pie plate 9 obliderator IW list with supersized flying demon with dark blade and 6 las/plas squads
   
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South Pasadena

Ironkodiak, don't you dare ask questions like that. Someone with a fullheadofhair is likely to report you to the cyberpolice for a netiquette violation and for misspelling. It is amazing what offends people these days.

Darrian

 
   
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Posted By Darrian13 08/08/2006 4:59 PM
Ironkodiak, don't you dare ask questions like that. Someone with a fullheadofhair is likely to report you to the cyberpolice for a netiquette violation and for misspelling. It is amazing what offends people these days.

Darrian


my my my ... what a clueless individual we are. It has nothing to do with mis-spelling or netiquette. Using "phag" "kweer" and "j00w" etc are just offensive, unnecessary and show a disturbing lack of vocabulary. <?

Unless you are totally clueless, there is no way you would use "cigarette" "queer" or "jew" in a face to face conversation as a derogetory descriptive, unless of course you do not mind the occasional smack in the face from said "cigarette" or "jew". Changing the spelling to make it look "kewl" and adding a smily doesn't make it less offensive or make you appear to be any less stupid and uneducated.

{sigh}


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This comp really sucks. Some armies are completely ruined by this.
For example, deathwing get hosed by the things with two saves and power weapons crap. All 4 chaos cult armies are destroyed by the fearless% thing.
   
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I'll go and make it really easy for everyone.

Don't use the word "lame" on Dakka if at all possible. In fact, please refrain from using racial or sexual slurs of any kind. It's in the Dakka forum rules.

The intentions of such slurs is often hard to discern in verbal communication and it is doubly difficult in a strictly written format.

Dakka is a family forum designed for discussing wargames. All posters should feel welcome regardless of their personal backgrounds.

If you feel that this kind of restriction somehow limits your ability to communicate, feel free to move onto another forum that allows swearing and/or racial/sexual slurs (I'm sure such a place isn't very hard to find).


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yakface's 40K rule #2: Friends don't let friends start a MEQ army.
yakface's 40K rule #3: Codex does not ALWAYS trump the rulebook, so please don't say that!
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Longtime Dakkanaut






People who support comp should still have to play in a dress.

And in addition to comp and sports there should be a score for how fabulous they are.

But my appologies to any actual gay people offended by my use of the term "lame".


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I have played with this comp. My Deathwing [consisting of 5x5 man squads,a command squad,and a Ven Dread] got a I think 35. I got hit for Character points, Squad size, Deep Striking and Power weapon attacks. The comp is designed to hurt those armies that are designed as power gamer armies, ie Daemonic Statured DP and a Greater Daemon in the same list, and encourage balanced forces. All armies can be made to get a perfect comp. The question is how much comp do you sacrifice to make the unbeatable army. The ARMORED vs NONARMORED is ARMOR VALUE vs NON ARMORED VALUE [example Preadator vs Marine]
   
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Hahaha- Mauleed you rascal. I really think that's unfair to women gamers. How about making everyone who uses comp wear a dunce cap? Or ride a tiny shriner car to and from the tourniment. No wait- that last one would be fun! *cues homer's ballet music*

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Those are the most patheticly slowed comp rules I've ever seen. While I don't necessarily approve, I can understand the mindset behind comp, with some feeling it necessary to limit certain options due to GW's complete inablity to write clear, concise and balanced rules. But that mess doesn't make it any better. I haven't even played 40kv4 (yet?) and I can tell those comp rules blow chunks. Good luck if you're anything but a marine army, 'cause you'll need it.

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