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I always doubt anyone who flaunts a super amazing winning record on forums who say they either went 20-0 with an army or some other such claim that would seem to defy the odds of having a really bad game. With dice as random as they are I know that someone can play consistently better than average and can even have good and long winning streaks. I did however see someone on another forum claim a 110-0-3 record, which I just don't believe unless he plays total retards.

For people that do win consistently, what's the worst that the dice have done to you yet still were able to pull out a win?

My worst that I remember was pretty recent, played 1850 guard with 2 russes, one bassie, two hellhounds and 8 line squads with las plas. First round my bassie got a direct hit and killed half a squad. After that every battlecannon and lascannon shot missed for the first two rounds, with plasma missing but not overheating on the second round. My hellhounds never made their 4+ to hit with inferno cannon for the 8 shots they made between each other. With very few kills it was no wonder I got rapid fired to death in most areas and I was only able to pull off a Solid Victory loss (as in opponent got a Solid Victory) by claiming an objective and denying one more. I don't see how these people can't have a game like that once in a while.

when i first moved here to the middle on nowhere iowa. they had their first 40k RT a few months after i got to town.

 so my first opponent was some local shmuck who worked at the old local game store and kept talking about how he hadnt lost in 200 games.2 chaplain rhino rush BA vs Wych heavy dark lance heavy DE.

 so the game was played and long story short, my dark eldar beat his blood angels. and after the game i proclaimed very loudly " looks like youre now  200 and 1!!!!!" everyone around us laughed, needless to say he marked me off on all the soft scores. it was totally worth it

I play a lot of IG games, I consider them my Benchmark army for playtesting.  I went 4-0-1 at GT GD Chicago this year.  I have played a lot of IG games, more than I can remember, but I'm sure I am NOT 103-0-3... Heh.

The worst example I ever had was versus an Iron Warriors player, at the 2004 Atlanta GT, 20 roughriders with veteran sargeants charge into regular ironwarriors marines and a bike unit in the open,  I figure I have almost 20 Marine casualties coming. 42 I5 S5 Power weapons!

42 to 4+ to hit rolls

3 HITS!

Of the 3 hits:

NO WOUNDS

I lose both of the units in melees, and ultimately lose the entire game. Later that game I wound 7 marines clustered in a wood with a demolisher hit and the player rolls 7 5+ saves in a single toss. 2 Demolishers explode off a glancing 6 in his next fire phase.  The most frustrating game I ever played; odds wise. I actually threw the dice away, which I have never done before or after.

Ah well. 

Yeah, I know how that can be.

My same opponent but in a different game had a Death Company with 8 guys and the rerolling Chaplain assault a squad of Thousand Sons one game, 32 attacks I think that is, with rerolls he had 4 hits which were all saved (chappy missed on his rerolls). I struck back and killed 6 of them.

Things like this and Augustus' example are why I doubt perfect records, sometimes the dice just don't work no matter how much planning you have, what good decisions you make, etc.

I've played a lot of historical campaigns -- Napoleonic and ACW -- where the match-ups often aren't even theoretically fair and it's the result of the campaign that matters, not individual battles.

I'm intrigued by the top-ranking players in the Medusa V campaign. Not only managing to play four or five game a day, for weeks on end, but winning nearly all of them as well! It's impressive.

Had a similar GT experience once. He was an inexperienced player, deployed badly and my entire Tyranid army hit his army exactly how I wanted and almost completely intact. Any observer watching the game woulda declared game over. Then with everything locked in h2h, I watched my army badly lose every close combat and get ground down to dust. He rolled extremely well, I rolled extremely poorly....round after unrelenting round.

Absolutely the most frustrating game I ever played, as I couldn't think of one thing I woulda done differently. 99 times out of 100 I'd win, but that not that day. Welcome to the NFL.

snooggums>  Things like this and Augustus' example are why I doubt perfect records, sometimes the dice just don't work no matter how much planning you have, what good decisions you make, etc.

Well spoken, it certainly can turn easily, furthermore the more games one plays, the more likely that becomes.

I have also noticed that any local players (the kind of people who play hundreds of games in a year) if they keep winning in the same venue, tend to develop a group of people who will metagame against them.  For example if a BA MAX Death company army is always winning people will start playing/painting something to wreck it, for example 15 starcannons or a zilla nid list or the like.  Making it more unlikely that anyone could ever get to a 100:1 win loss ratio overtime.

Besides who do they play who looses that many games? (Only wins 1 in 30?) I think I'd consider a player with an (Honest) 3:1 win loss ratio a pretty good player, 30:1 seems almost immpossible.

Spot on Snoogums.

At Adepticon last year I played a murderous game vs (All Raider) Dark Eldar, and most know what my opinion of them is... 

The mission was reverese escalation with night fight all game...  I got wrecked, although, I think that was a pretty stacked match up to fight my way out of, it was fun to try.  (Maybe it was poetic justice, if you are out there Xtapl.) Because of the mission and the match up, DE vs IG with reverse escalation and night fight I had a pair of rough rider units and 2 basilisks staring down the entire DE force of 11 raiders...

Ouch.

Some days the dice gods are with you, and some days they 'aint. Anybody that claims a 110-0-3 W/D/L record is blowing a bunch of hot air and/or conveniently "forgot" some 100+ losses that went with it. And that is the thing, some people just can't or won't admit they lost. They're usually pretty sore sports too, as jeremycobert found out.

i win more games than i lose its 51%-49%. and have played many people who are really good and they dont have those sort of win records and I live in london where you can find plenty of opponents. the only time i could claim a 120-0-3 is if i played the same opponenet a 123 times. I have a regular at the store i play at who gets beeten by begeiners, he reallly is that crap. when people say they have such a great win record they talk crap. more like thats how many times they get beet. I had a similar story to jeremycobert where i played the store red shirts who had won all his games untill i beet him with my 13th company ina 1500pt game. he was to used to playing the children in the store and bullying them with his made up rules so he could win. it did not work when he played me as i was a few years older than him.

There is a guy that plays in Torrance Ca, at a store called 3rd Planet who claims to have a 50+/3/0 record with his chaos army. The thing is he is the king of the kids there AND he does not have a written army list. How do you play against a guy who does not write down his army list?

Darrian
(I have an army list)

If anything, my record is 3-0-103.

King of the Kid I like that. its true most people that win, do so cos they play kids, have no army list, cheat and also just bully the kids.

:sniff, sniff: Hmmm... I smell... MUNCHIKINS! Of course their Super Duper Marine Army of TyranaKhornUltraSOB Cherry Picked VDR Uber-Cheaty stomps all over his kid sister's beanie baby army. This is what got me to leave 40k, the glut of younglings and not single a (mature) adult for miles still playing 40k. Hoping that's changed, with the new locale and all.

No its not changed much as 40 still appeals to the kids more than fantasy, if you want adult players start playing fantasy.

You know what those people need?

The Pan Fo!

Ya know, I think the originator of The Pan Fo is a current member of Dakka Dakka! He can provide them with all the Codex: Pan Fo goodness straight from the horses mouth! Awesome, huh?

Personally,i'd say that even with -the- most min/maxed,perfected,razor edge army its simply impossible to have 100 or so wins and no losses.More than 40...maybe.60?So-so.But not over 80 like that

As a necron once said,'your dice provide suckage' when you least want them to.

Worst turn of game was actually today when i played against Tau.
First example is my Raptor squad tearing its way through a 10m +2 dogs Kroot squad,consolidating onto a 6man Stealth squad then making a massacre on another 6 man FW squad,finally miserably failing the d6 when the distance to the next squad was of 4inches.
result:a 1
Answer:4 crisis suits,12 FWs shooting in rapid,the target 6 man with another rapid fire,10 man FW with long range fire and a hammer head.Needless to say,the squad was vaporised in seconds.
About the same amount of luck the next turn by my friend who fire a pie plate onto a 5 man Havoc team,getting a hit and killing none of them.

Let's see...In tournaments, I've had 2 losses, and 2 ties...And Around 26 wins...Give or take.

Non-tournament games, I rarely lose...I think I've lost 5 times total using an army I'd constructed.

My present 40k tournament record is 93-8-6, most of it trackable over the years at dakka. Most of the losses are in the period between 4th edition and marines getting a new codex, where I was too lazy to paint anything.

I did win 29 tournament games in a row before I lost my first one.

I don't bother tracking pickup games.

My best comeback was against marines where in escalation half my army show up and I deploy in a corner. Half my tau army shoot at a rhino and was only able to keep if from shooting. The next turn the rhino payload and the independant character behind on a bike assault me and a big part of my army. Next turn since that part of my army was trashed i enter the other half of my army in another corner. This time I was able to kill a rhino and killed everything because the door were blocked, shoot another rhino, half a devastator squad and a second rhino , I finally won the game

I never lost a game with my Orks in 2nd edition. I can't say that for my Space Elves or Chaos though,

It's not hard too believe that one could have such a high record. We have a Tau player at our store that once went on a 50 game winning streak against EVERY regular opponent in the store. That's a pool of at least 20 or so guys, and NO kids. When I had my Emperor's Children army, I had a record of 56 wins, 3 losses, and 1 draw. And I played every type of army out there: horde Guard armies, armored company, Nid horde armies, Nid godzilla lists, vanilla marines, Blood Angels, Dark Angels, Mech Tau, Static Tau, Dark Eldar, Iyanden Eldar, "regular" eldar, Sisters of Battle, Daemonhunters, Deathwing, Deathguard, etc, etc. 2 of my losses? To the same Ork opponent. Overall, my list was so efficient and consistantly strong that I eventually decided to sell the army and try something else. Plus, I made over a grand on the sale, which financed my next army AND paid for some school books /expenses. Sweet!

It's definately possible to win A LOT, and you don't have to play idiots to do it. I have no doubts my Chaos list could have gone for another 50 wins with few losses. But I got a solid year of gaming with an uber-cool and hot painted army. I like to mix it up a bit- do a project, then move on.

Posted By scramasax 08/09/2006 9:00 PM

. The next turn the rhino payload and the independant character behind on a bike assault me and a big part of my army.

 

 

 

 

Damn!  You got assaulted by a guy on a bike and a crew that popped out of a rhino?

The games at your store seem to be a bit to realistic for me!

mauleed> 40k tournament record is 93-8-6

Outstanding! That is truly legendary sir.

I'd just like to ad a comment that there is a distinction between tournament records, and overall records.  Generally a posted record with no other context seems to indicate an overall record not a tournament exclusive record.  Not recording casual games also seems a way to pad the numbers, for example. Maybe this is reallt where the crux of the fantastic record lies?

Never the less well done, you seem to have single handedly proved it is possible to have a record on the order of magnitude of 100-0-3.

Honestly, do you think that it is legitimate given what it must have taken for you to achieve even 93-8-6? Just curious, maybe its Mark Parker incognito?  I don't know?

All that initialy comes to my mind when I read about major win records is the Seinfeld episode where Kramer is bragging about how he rules his dojo, and it turns out he's the only adult there.
As I think about it a bit more, though, I can see how it's possible in some cases.
Like anything else, if you put a lot of time into something, you can't help but be good at it. Some kids that grow up shooting hoops or practicing piano a lot get to be NBA allstars or concert pianists, while other kids that grow up with toy soldiers and game playing as the big hobby sport incredible win-loss records and do extremely well in tournaments.

My friends that took their drop pod armies to Seattle and finished in the top 10 spent a lot of time and countless games honing their tactics and army lists to a pretty high degree.  I imagine that must be the same with any serious tournament player, they have to be willing to put the time and practice in if they reasonably expect to do well.

Of course, there will always be a lot of Kramers that will seek out beginners and kids under age 10 to play against so they can say they rule the game store.

its true they play little kids who are beginers and build there record up. I was visiting warhammer world and there happenened to be 5 GW stores from london down there running a tournament between there stores for the customers. there were around 50 kids enetered and 3 adults. the adults won 1st and 2nd place. And yes one of the adults was so crap he could not even beet the little kiddies. So when i see records like mauleeds excuese me if i am not convinced.

Yup, that's a trophey that I'd be proud to have. One that proves I can beat any pre- teenager around.

  Like I said, though,  there are some serious tournament players that test out every different situation with the  armies they will take, including times when they role crappy dice, so they can be ready if the same thing to happens and know how to counter it in a tourney.  A lot of these guys do incredible comebacks to win a game that looks lost.

Well I am officially 2-0 with my DE :-D One of them was against iron warriors though which I am pretty proud of!

Posted By beef 08/10/2006 6:18 PM
 So when i see records like mauleeds excuese me if i am not convinced.

mauleed's record can probably be verified in it's entirety. He also has some losses. I don't doubt his 29 game winning streak either as it can also be verified, and is given as tournament play only. Note his total record is around 12-1 or so, which is not as absurd as "undefeated forever". I was hoping he would give some feedback on his bad dice roll games that he still pulled off a victory on, wether he just ended up hiding because of bad rolls or if he ignored enemy models to claim objectives instead.

Also note that mauleed does not appear to play kill or be killed missions only, he can take heavy casualties and still pull of VP's for objectives which he talks about often, which is one way to work around bad rolling.