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 Gimgamgoo wrote:

Especially if you read the preview of the rules which has models on squares, and the facing of the models and the squares seem to matter.

They simply copied-pasted the original picture from the 1st version. But it doesn't really matter if the miniature is on a round or square base rule-wise - you take the square where the miniature's face is looking as the front one, the rest is determined by the tile square where the miniature is put.


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 kodos wrote:

PS: regarding using the DS boxes as cheap model supply, just don't
if you want cheap Goblins, Abyssal Dwarfs or Undead, go for the Ambush Boxes, they are way cheaper and come with more models

the DSO Box will be 50-60€ retail, an Ambush Box is 35-40€ retail with 40 Goblins instead of 18

Just talking about the deal of this Kickstarter here. And I was thinking more of using these as characters, whose price is significantly higher than troops.

Sure, first version has square of slightly higher than their type, but when used as individuals, the difference doesn't really matter. It was perfectly usable like this. So usable Mantic Games did release a KoW campaign using DS's original heroes and villains as actual characters in their respective armies.

Here, with round bases...that's a different matter, because KoW doesn't have tile squares to determine their arcs. Well, it can still be used with a bit of imagination / putting it on a square for the game, but it's not as easy as the first version for sure.


As for historical games...their initial intent is not to be used with KoW's system. The difference here with Perry miniatures and Dungeon Saga Origin miniatures is that Mantic Games is the same designer for KoW and DS. So they could have taken that into consideration already, but they didn't. Matt does also perfectly knows KoW's system, since he worked on that too. I don't see why he couldn't decide to use square bases for DSO's miniatures if he thought about it, too.

the historical minis are meant to be used for Rank&File games with multi-basing
the DSO models are meant to be used for DSO first
but if you want to use them in KoW it is not a problem
if you want to use them for both, not a problem either, unit bases for 25mm rounds exist and are used by other R&F games as well

and if you are willing to pay 60€ to use them as characters still better of buying them individually

going just for the models, you get 80 in total (by now), 8 of them being heroes, that is 2€ per model or 20€ per Hero
if you just want the Heroes, 20€ per model

you will be always cheaper, either buying the heroes on their own or the Ambush Boxes for the troops, or both combined
if you don't want the game but the models, just buy the models (and there is a good chance the plastic TK will be out before DSO is shipped)

Of course you can always modify your miniatures the way you want. That's not the point.

My point is DSO using round bases for their miniatures is a missed opportunity to also use them in their main fantasy game KoW (and incidently Vanguard) by simply using square bases instead. It's not something that difficult to do as a main design for miniatures, knowing that since I do 3D sculpt my own now.

Yet, Matt and its team claim in the comments they are now more experienced since the 1st and apparently that experience means forgetting what they did with the first version : a KoW campaign using the heroes and villains as characters for KoW armies. A shame, really, but it is what it is.

As a veteran, I'll be using my old dungeon saga minis with this for playing the core game, they're painted, the minis are perfectly good and there isn't much need to replace them.

Ditto for the 3d terrain, already have it and it's painted, so I'll be able to hit the ground running with the game as soon as it arrives. Just leaves the expansions to paint up.

I do appreciate the £89 core pledge with card tokens rather than the terrain crate scenery, gives me everything I need without much duplication and is really light on the wallet for a board game with 100 minis and 3 expansions.

I'm likely to 3d print some dungeon tiles and other bits for the game anyway, something like true tiles will work perfectly for it since the doors clip on to the walls and the 1,25" standard allows for the 10x10 grid to be replicated without walls getting in the way of mini placement.

Going thru the different podcasts, videos and the DSO Kickstarter some hints for upcoming releases:

- Nigthstalkers are next, new Butcher and Reaper plastic kits both making 1 additional new unit
- Sisterhood plastic kit end of the year
- Dwarfs going big, new Imperial and Free Dwarfs with NA stuff (and something along with raven riders)
- Elves are coming as well
- STL files for upgrade bits are coming
- Armada gets companion support soon, as well as STL files for the ships for subscribers to make it easier to get into the game
- Ronni said that some people already have test-printed the ships in 28mm scale (and now I want to do this as well)
- they are not sure what to do with Vanguard as the people who play it now really like it while others want something more simple

Sarouan wrote:
It's not something that difficult to do as a main design for miniatures, knowing that since I do 3D sculpt my own now.

it is not about designing square bases but casting them, miniatures with round bases can be cast in 1 piece, minis with square bases are 2 pieces that need to be glued something Mantic does not want to do with that game

and if you want to use them in KoW you are going to paint them anyway and just add 4 markings on the base for facings, and it is that simple

The round bases are so orientation in producing the miniatures didn’t matter. They can pick the way round that prints best. A square base had 4 ways round to make the mold.

Going back to the comment on they didn’t need Kickstarter if they’re ready to go with everything designed etc.
Remember the point here is to get the money to pay for it all being produced on mass, moulds made, print runs of stuff and so on.
Not for the design side (though it is still being worked on even now it seems),

First stores habe the new Nightstalker up for pre-order



All boxes coming with unit bases, eg Scarecrows with 100x80 Regiment Base, Reapers with two 100x40 Troop Bases

Reaper Box is listed as Reapers/Leapers and Butcher as Butchers/Ravagers

Phantoms come with 125x50 Troop Base and 6 Resin models

Hm, not evident if the Butchers and Reapers build any new variants...?

For better or worse, the HIPS matches the old restic sculpts really well.

The mouths on the ends of the arm on some of the Butchers might indicate some sort of ranged attack variant.

Really great to see Mantic going back and filling out armies which only got a basic initial release with more HIPS kits, there have been a lot of new army releases over the years with initial single hard plastic + lots of pricy resin or monopose PVC.

A "second wave" release for pretty much every KoW faction would be brilliant and really start making the game approachable to people coming from GW games where it's generally expected that everything will be on sprues.

I'm hoping to see Northern Alliance soon, frostfang cavalry and tundra wolves in HIPS would be awesome, and could be done as part of a broader release for the Varangur faction which shares a lot of its units with Northern Alliance.

The move to Archon for their tooling seems to be an immediate success, they're suddenly outputting sprues with much greater variety, options and starting to make large infantry and cavalry well, too. The new reapers look quite interesting as sculpts with some of the heads split into four jaw parts.

I finally picked up some of Mantic's newer goblins the other day (along with the new modular chariot kit) and they're all awesome, loaded with character, looted gear, a little bit "labyrinth", a little bit "goblin shark" and lots of ramshackle goblin-tier tech (looted knife tied to stick = spear). Some new trolls (completely redesigned) and/or cavalry would really give that army a boost.

I like the Phantoms. Are they HIPS or PVC?

New ones are Resin, old ones are PVC

 kodos wrote:
New ones are Resin, old ones are PVC

Thanks!

Billicus wrote:
The Kickstarter is now live: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/manticgames/dungeon-saga-origins-your-adventures-start-here/description

The Dungeon Saga Origins Kickstarter is now in its last 24 hours. All reveals have now been done, including 10 heroes, and a box that fits all the included expansions in organiser trays. Mantic have also said that after it eventually hits retail they intend to support it longer term with future expansions that could explore things like custom heroes and missions.

https://www.manticgames.com/kings-of-war/nightstalkers/void-lurker/

void Lurker and other units previewed and coming soon.

Aramade is now available on the Companion site:
https://www.manticgames.com/news/time-to-surf-the-digital-seas-armada-hits-the-mantic-companion/

Armada is now available in the Warhall wargaming simulator
https://www.manticgames.com/news/play-armada-for-free-anytime-anywhere-with-anyone/

Warhall is free and available for Android, iOS, Mac and Windows as well as browser based

Previously known for hosting T9A with the paid client giving access to high resolution graphics and some more tools to play like saving army lists and changing colours (by this point it is unkown what will be the difference between free and paid for Armada)

Hm that void lurker is pretty sweet. I like the unnatural vibes of its design.

Mantic Vault just launched, loads of STLs for £7.99/month:

https://vault.manticgames.com

First up is the entire Basilean and Orc Fleets for Armada, along with a bunch of Riftforged Orc and Halfling miniatures and upgrade sets for the hard plastics.

Mantic companion subscribers get 60% off the Mantic Vault subscription.

They have some free STLs to download and sample here: https://vault.manticgames.com/free-stls/

Starting to think I really need that resin printer!

The initial offering is definitely better than expected:


I would have been content with just unit upgrades, terrain and small game stuff, but full Hellstrikers and Aeronauts too! I'm excited to a) print these but also b) make the construction process easier compared to many pieces of cast resin. (But also I'm most excited for the unit upgrades, these are really painful to get in the US and open up the Mantic plastic kits even further.)

EDIT - Here's the initial welcome pack as well:

well, just seen a pic today of someone printing a good looking mini with PLA on a prusa mini+

might be worth looking into this kind of printing specially for the larger models (Aeronauts ship in PLA or a KoW sized ship as terrain)

Oh I love that helstrikers are in the first wave, I really need those to round out my riftforged orc army but had moderate sticker shock.

Ships might not look half bad printed at 50%

Live Stream:

https://youtu.be/97JavfrQwmI

It's £10 for Platinum Tier Mantic Companion + Vault.

I'm highly tempted. That's all of Mantic's rules for free download + army list builders + printable armies.

I think this is the first company to have an offering like this?

The offer is tempting. Interested to see the result of people printing the ships, if some here did.

They could have created bespoke digital fleets. Instead they used currently available fleets and have indirectly caused retailers who invested in armada to have dead stock.

I'm not saying this is a terrible thing, but I think they could have approached the digital side a bit more like wargames atlantics "no current products will be ported, but upgrade packs are fair game."

Am I missing the link somewhere? I go to the site for the free .stl file and it says you have to register. I am registered, so I log in and try to download the files, now it says you must subscribe to the vault. It's not free if you have to pay for the vault. I wanted to see if I could print a decent ship, the few I have seen at the shop all look like they have had issues.

I logged in with my companion account (no sub) and downloaded the ships
https://vault.manticgames.com/free-stls/

 kodos wrote:
I logged in with my companion account (no sub) and downloaded the ships
https://vault.manticgames.com/free-stls/

Thanks, That's where I was going and clicking. I had to log in twice to get it to come to where it came up Download instead of register. Not sure what I was doing wrong. I might try and print some out tonight/this weekend to see how they look.