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As someone who didn't find out about GW's LOTR stuff until it was already in decline, I'm interested in this. If I can get this box at online discounter prices, I'd probably be down for two of them

This box does seem to avoid a significant problem that the "The Hobbit" has: named characters. If I'm not mistaken, everyone but Theoden is a non-named character and therefore multiple boxes can actually make sense (the extra Theoden can be conversion fodder or sold).

 Galas wrote:
Now if they would return the boxes back to be 24 miniatures for 18€ instead of 12 for 20€ ...

Well that would be silly. Gw would get less than what they got then. Though price cut would be nice but at least inflation check would be expected

Having slept on this... It's a brilliant starter box. Maybe I do need another Nazgul... And a troll... And...

I think what I like about it compared to the two other starters I have bought (escape from goblin town and mines of moria) is that it is obviously two skirmish armies rather than a bunch of mooks at a bunch of heroes. I have more than enough heroes now, with the Fellowship and Thorin's Company, but SBG is actually best as a skirmish fantasy game.

 TheWaspinator wrote:
As someone who didn't find out about GW's LOTR stuff until it was already in decline, I'm interested in this. If I can get this box at online discounter prices, I'd probably be down for two of them

This box does seem to avoid a significant problem that the "The Hobbit" has: named characters. If I'm not mistaken, everyone but Theoden is a non-named character and therefore multiple boxes can actually make sense (the extra Theoden can be conversion fodder or sold).

The Witch King is a named character, at least by title. But you can make him a generic Nazgul. But yeah. You can absolutely buy a couple of boxes and have a big Mordor and Rohan army for the cheap. With extra death guys.

 Galas wrote:

 TheWaspinator wrote:
As someone who didn't find out about GW's LOTR stuff until it was already in decline, I'm interested in this. If I can get this box at online discounter prices, I'd probably be down for two of them

This box does seem to avoid a significant problem that the "The Hobbit" has: named characters. If I'm not mistaken, everyone but Theoden is a non-named character and therefore multiple boxes can actually make sense (the extra Theoden can be conversion fodder or sold).

The Witch King is a named character, at least by title. But you can make him a generic Nazgul. But yeah. You can absolutely buy a couple of boxes and have a big Mordor and Rohan army for the cheap. With extra death guys.

Plus:

1) the troll kit allows you to make a Mordor Troll, Mordor Troll Drummer, Isengard Troll, with lots of options for armor, helmets, weapons - see https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Mordor-Isengard-Troll
2) not only can the Fell-beast have the Witch King of Angmar, but it also has TWO variant Nazgul, and two Fell-beasthead options - the plastic kit allows you to make at least three vastly different poses. (Witch-King on armored Fell-Beast, Nazgul pose 1 on Fell-Beast, Nazgul pose 2 on Fell-Beast).
3) a generic Captain really is just a differently painted normal trooper, unless you really want to specifically spend the money on a metal or finecast guy.

Buying two box sets actually kind of makes sense if you want to do either of the two armies or split the two sets with your buddy.

I would expect a re-pack/re-release of the Plastic Sets with additional Sprues for a Unit's Command.

RazorEdge wrote:
I would expect a re-pack/re-release of the Plastic Sets with additional Sprues for a Unit's Command.

I would not expect that.

RazorEdge wrote:
I would expect a re-pack/re-release of the Plastic Sets with additional Sprues for a Unit's Command.

HAHA!!!!
NO.
GW will bump them from £15 for 12 models to £30 for 12 models.
That's it

Hmm....this is tempting.

 Galas wrote:

 TheWaspinator wrote:
As someone who didn't find out about GW's LOTR stuff until it was already in decline, I'm interested in this. If I can get this box at online discounter prices, I'd probably be down for two of them

This box does seem to avoid a significant problem that the "The Hobbit" has: named characters. If I'm not mistaken, everyone but Theoden is a non-named character and therefore multiple boxes can actually make sense (the extra Theoden can be conversion fodder or sold).

The Witch King is a named character, at least by title. But you can make him a generic Nazgul. But yeah. You can absolutely buy a couple of boxes and have a big Mordor and Rohan army for the cheap. With extra death guys.

Yeah, the generic Nazgul makes that part of the set not locked into a unique.

A related question: I want to see Theoden's sprues. If we're lucky, it will be easy to behead him and turn extras into generics by giving them a different head.

The mordor side is amazing for a WOTR army if you get a set or 12

 Midnightdeathblade wrote:
The mordor side is amazing for a WOTR army if you get a set or 12

Well, maybe 9

 Huginn wrote:

 Midnightdeathblade wrote:
The mordor side is amazing for a WOTR army if you get a set or 12

Well, maybe 9

Read my mind

tneva82 wrote:
Well that would be silly. Gw would get less than what they got then. Though price cut would be nice but at least inflation check would be expected

Nah I'm pretty sure the 'silly' part was GW halving the contents and increasing the price.

Not as much silly as shooting themselves in the foot, from what I remember. We went from selling a crapton of them to zip and none in a cold second.

When it first came out lotr minis were quite a bit cheaper than Warhammer ones and you needed fewer to make an army, but the Hobbit minis were considerably more expensive, no cheaper than the warhammer minis of the time. I am sure this contributed a lot to the failure of the game.
If they can launch the new starter at a competitive price, and keep their future plastic kits at a reasonable price they have a good opportunity to get a lot of people playing again.

My disappointment is no more perries working on them

I want so hard to start playing this game again... but the fact is FW the ones taking care of it... just sucks. They are obviously taking care of more they can handle.

In what way? It's had it's own dedicated team for a couple of years now.

In terms of the box, it's a nice thing. It's just a shame I have more Rohan and Morrannon orcs than I know what to do with. I do hope Théoden is available separately at some point.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
In what way? It's had it's own dedicated team for a couple of years now.

In terms of the box, it's a nice thing. It's just a shame I have more Rohan and Morrannon orcs than I know what to do with. I do hope Théoden is available separately at some point.

The FW team has not the same resources than the main GW studio team, most of the new stuff will be FW resin, they will probably sell the rules as with Necromunda, etc, etc..

 Galas wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
In what way? It's had it's own dedicated team for a couple of years now.

In terms of the box, it's a nice thing. It's just a shame I have more Rohan and Morrannon orcs than I know what to do with. I do hope Théoden is available separately at some point.

The FW team has not the same resources than the main GW studio team, most of the new stuff will be FW resin, they will probably sell the rules as with Necromunda, etc, etc..

You are unaware that there is a dedicated Middle-earth team (at GW) that has released several books and dozens of new models along with several re-releases of OOP models in the past year or so, it seems.

Everything new so far (barring Théoden) has been FW resin, that's not a new thing.

I don't quite understand the Necromunda rule comment. The only rules we've had so far was "There and Back Again". Which had complete army lists for basically everything in the Hobbit movies including stuff that hadn't been release yet.

The two new books we've seen are updated core rules (which have been mentioned at least 18 months ago) and what looks like new list books. No staggered releases like Necromunda.

 TheWaspinator wrote:

A related question: I want to see Theoden's sprues. If we're lucky, it will be easy to behead him and turn extras into generics by giving them a different head.

Theoden appears to have both unhelmeted and helmeted heads for each pose.

 judgedoug wrote:

 Galas wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
In what way? It's had it's own dedicated team for a couple of years now.

In terms of the box, it's a nice thing. It's just a shame I have more Rohan and Morrannon orcs than I know what to do with. I do hope Théoden is available separately at some point.

The FW team has not the same resources than the main GW studio team, most of the new stuff will be FW resin, they will probably sell the rules as with Necromunda, etc, etc..

You are unaware that there is a dedicated Middle-earth team (at GW) that has released several books and dozens of new models along with several re-releases of OOP models in the past year or so, it seems.

Then I'm glad to be wrong about this. I really want to start playing again this great game with my group, if GW really wants to give it the attention it deserves, maybe not AoS/Warhammer level but more than what they have done the past years.

But in Spain FW is nearly non existant, most stores don't even allow it. Thats why I was afraid.

It's not going to be like 40k, where it's all new units and specific rule books. Everything they put out is going to be designed to be in the core game or redo's of oop models. Key examples being the Swan Knights just previewed. Nothing they've released so far has been at all game breaking. So the FW excuse shouldn't really hold water with people for this. Barring the prices and shipping costs. (I hate their damn shipping rules)

Super excited for this. I'll probably see if I can split the box with someone as I'm only really interested in the Rohan stuff to add to my older Rohan stuff as well. New Theoden looks bad ass and will go well with the other models I already have

Pic of the back with a ghostly Adam Troke

This is one I’m in on for sure, have a few of the old source books, mines of Moria game and a box of Isengard with the warg riders in the loft that il dig out now.

I'm always down for more LotR, and this new boxed set actually has a few locals asking me to demo the game, and relaunch a community. The prospect of that makes me very happy, as i'd rather play LotR than chase the 40k/AoS meta anymore... :-p

I haven't kept up lately, but with all the restocks, etc... did Harad/Umbar become an attainable army again?