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**stonehorse**

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:
Mr Morden wrote:
DaveC wrote:
Targaryen starter is released January 10th 2020

https://cmon.com/news/can-you-hear-the-thundering-hooves

Excellent - hoping Element G get them in quickly

Element really seem to get the short end of the stick from CMON/ Asmodee. My go to for ASOIAF is Zatu games as they let you pre order and then deliver upon release, as invariably stock levels on release are low and quickly sell out to go AWOL for months. In the UK the Nights Watch starter has not been available for 10+ months odd.

CMON/Asmodee really need to get their distribution levels sorted out. ASoIaF might not survive too long outside of the American land mass if people can't buy into the game. Here in Ireland it is as rare as hen's teeth.

**Adeptus Doritos**

How do you need to kickstart a game with the IP owned by the second largest entertainment company in the world?

I'm sure CMON will drop support for the game in 2 years, that's their trend.

**JimmyWolf87**

stonehorse wrote:
ListenToMeWarriors wrote:
Mr Morden wrote:
DaveC wrote:
Targaryen starter is released January 10th 2020

https://cmon.com/news/can-you-hear-the-thundering-hooves

Excellent - hoping Element G get them in quickly

Element really seem to get the short end of the stick from CMON/ Asmodee. My go to for ASOIAF is Zatu games as they let you pre order and then deliver upon release, as invariably stock levels on release are low and quickly sell out to go AWOL for months. In the UK the Nights Watch starter has not been available for 10+ months odd.

CMON/Asmodee really need to get their distribution levels sorted out. ASoIaF might not survive too long outside of the American land mass if people can't buy into the game. Here in Ireland it is as rare as hen's teeth.

All the UK/EU retailers have similar issues seemingly, the core KS stuff tends to be in stock but individual units and the newer faction starter boxes have a limited wave then drop off a cliff for months. Baratheons are basically sold out now along with Night's Watch and expect the same for Targaryens when they hit. Free Folk seem to be a bit easier to get hold of purely because they're less popular as a faction. Goblin Gaming and Wayland are in the same boat as Element.

Asmodee's distribution has been a nonsense over here since day 1 and it would be a huge shame for logistical issues to stop what is a very good tabletop wargame with brand recognition from getting traction because players get frustrated at not being able to collect/field what they want without proxy models. The only bonus Europe got was part of another example of the ineptness of their distribution when they somehow managed to accidentally release the 2 Stormcrow boxes to retail months before they were scheduled to.

**Aeneades**

Targaryen starter pushed back 10 days in Europe due to shipping issues which is fair enough but they have also announced that they don’t have enough stock to fulfil orders so proportionate allocation will take place and they have no rough date for when a second wave will ship (based upon Greataxe, Blackguard and Nightswatch starter experience it won’t be any time soon).

**stonehorse**

Aeneades wrote:
Targaryen starter pushed back 10 days in Europe due to shipping issues which is fair enough but they have also announced that they don’t have enough stock to fulfil orders so proportionate allocation will take place and they have no rough date for when a second wave will ship (based upon Greataxe, Blackguard and Nightswatch starter experience it won’t be any time soon).

I reckon we'll have Wind's of Winter in our hands long before EU/UK get decent distribution levels. Hopefully this doesn't kill the game off, as it is still in its infancy and not being able to get hold of things really makes it hard to promote.

**Gallahad**

That is awful. I'm sure it is complicated, but from my vantage point it just seems like someone needs to say "ship more boxes to Europe" to their factory.

**Monkeysloth**

Adeptus Doritos wrote:
How do you need to kickstart a game with the IP owned by the second largest entertainment company in the world?

I'm sure CMON will drop support for the game in 2 years, that's their trend.

They don't need the money from Kickstarter they need the marketing. Having a boardgame on KSer gives you reach to potential customers, even retail ones, that you cannot get for tabletop any other way.

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

It's a new year, Survivors! We know that most of you have played the Zombicide scenarios in your rulebooks many times, and maybe you're looking for new challenges. Well, then we have news for you! Starting today, we will post weekly brand-new scenarios for Zombicides across all eras for you and your friends to take on! We'll alternate different lines, so everyone can look forward to some great new content for their favorite versions.

Introducing Dangerous Portals for our very first #ZombiFriday! Check it our here: https://cmon.com/news/zombifriday-1-dangerous-portals

some non KS customer outreach, will wonders never cease (I wonder if zombicide sales are down?)

now how about some stuff for massive darkness, etc

**skullking**

LunarSol wrote:
BobtheInquisitor wrote:
I still don’t understand how Funko is such a mainstream success.

Timeliness. They have product for people to buy in that window when they're super excited about something before that excitement is replaced by something else. In an era dominated by meme of the week attention spans, Funko will sell you a small reminder of that one random character from that episode you care about while you still care about it.

I don't own any, but I get the appeal from years of wanting a toy of something and seeing one released a year later when I no longer have that compulsion.

Well, we saw with Baby Yoda, who Lucas/Disney didn't reveal to anyone, prior to the show's premiere, that it takes about 6/7 Months for Funko to bring a product to market. Since the first episode premiered, they announced that it will take till Late May 2020 for Baby Yoda toys to hit retail. And you know they're putting everything they can into getting those produced.

Funko Pops (specifically their 'Pop!' line), are actually considered their own class of toy also, so they don't have to get into negotiations over licenses with other toy producers to make something from a property. Whereas Hasbro, for instance, would (theoretically) fight with Mattel, or Neca over rights to produce Star Wars action figures, Funko has no one who can contest them on Pops! (yes, they still have to pay for the license, but that's about it) The license for action figures (and most licensed properties) has gotten a lot more vague, in the last decade, so now multiple companies can do figures of one property, if there's a variety of size ranges, and other qualifications. But the Funko Pop thing is still kind of amazing.

There's your brand marketing tip of the day...

**ced1106**

Good to know, skullking!

> some non KS customer outreach, will wonders never cease (I wonder if zombicide sales are down?)

My guess is that these weren't included in Zombicide products (eg. created after the product release, created for a product that never materialized, planned for release with a product but culled for some reason) they've playtested these scenarios, but they're for 1st edition, so won't make it into a paid product. Many gamers will (wrongfully) declare dead an edition when a new one comes out, and Zombicide 2nd edition has been KS. Yet plenty of Zombicide 1st edtiion is in stock, so these scenarios are a way to still support it.

Oh, and there's an Asmodee sale on Zombicide.

https://store.us.asmodee.com/search/?q=&p=1&s=1&f=eyJzdG9ja19zdGF0dXMiOiBbIk9uIFNhbGUiXX0=

**Adeptus Doritos**

Monkeysloth wrote:
Adeptus Doritos wrote:
How do you need to kickstart a game with the IP owned by the second largest entertainment company in the world?

I'm sure CMON will drop support for the game in 2 years, that's their trend.

They don't need the money from Kickstarter they need the marketing. Having a boardgame on KSer gives you reach to potential customers, even retail ones, that you cannot get for tabletop any other way.

Riiiight.

I'm not saying this is a lie, but it doesn't sound like entirely the truth.

Also, anyone who throws money at CMON hoping for long-term support may as well be pitching it into a trash fire. The trash fire will last longer.

**Monkeysloth**

Adeptus Doritos wrote:
Monkeysloth wrote:
Adeptus Doritos wrote:
How do you need to kickstart a game with the IP owned by the second largest entertainment company in the world?

I'm sure CMON will drop support for the game in 2 years, that's their trend.

They don't need the money from Kickstarter they need the marketing. Having a boardgame on KSer gives you reach to potential customers, even retail ones, that you cannot get for tabletop any other way.

Riiiight.

I'm not saying this is a lie, but it doesn't sound like entirely the truth.

Just look at Youtube for example. So many channels, including BoW, will give lots of coverage to KSer campaigns but may only give a brief mention to a retail release. There was such a swing towards people wanting to back games, for deals, on KSer years ago that a large faction of social media and youtube for Boardgames noticed the excitement and used that to get views via coverage. As long as people can make more money off of promoting KSers then retail (and I suspect a lot of them get paid as part of the KSer marketing) you're going to see a larger marketing effort for something on KSer then something in retail.

Sure the BGG crowed may not care that much but they're a small fraction of people that actually buy games.

Now as to the KSer money. Spinmasters has the cash to make the game so they don't need it. But KSer is still good as it allows you to gauge interest in a product before you manufacture it and I'm sure that would be something that would allow smart people with degrees to figure out how much to produce for retail. So using KSer would also help them potentially save money if no one backs (nothing lost on production, or if it barely funds they may not produce anything outside of what's needed to fulfill.

**Azazelx**

Time to wrap this fether up. So the PM is the usual nightmare of "erm... what's already included in my pledge?" because "all applicable stretch goals"

I've pledged for "Presidential", and want to get the backwards-compatable sets, all the extra gameplay stuff, rules and models, but none of the RPG stuff or dice.
I removed the dice, RPG stuff and Washington ZC from the below list, as I know I don't want those (and ZC is explicitly included) but some advice would be welcomed on the other crap.

Urban Legends Abominations $25.00
0

Danny Trejo Set $15.00
0

Tiles Set $20.00
0

Extra Players Upgrade Set $25.00
0

Zombies & Companions Upgrade Kit $8.00
0

3D Cars $14.00
0

Zombie Soldiers Set $12.00
0

Daily Zombie Spawn Set $35.00
0

Fort Hendrix $40.00
0

Chronicles Survivor Set $30.00
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**DaveC**

Azazelx wrote:
Time to wrap this fether up. So the PM is the usual nightmare of "erm... what's already included in my pledge?" because "all applicable stretch goals"

I've pledged for "Presidential", and want to get the backwards-compatable sets, all the extra gameplay stuff, rules and models, but none of the RPG stuff or dice.
I removed the dice, RPG stuff and Washington ZC from the below list, as I know I don't want those (and ZC is explicitly included) but some advice would be welcomed on the other crap.

Urban Legends Abominations - adds 4 new Abominations minimal extra gameplay value slightly tweaked Abomb rules can be skipped unless you like the sculpts

Danny Trejo Set adds an extra survivor, walker and Abomb again minimal extra gameplay but it’s Danny Trejo so why not!

Tiles Set extra set from core box not needed unless you plan to make your own custom scenarios

Extra Players Upgrade Set not needed unless you plan to run more than 6 players and there will probably be other opportunities to get these bits in later sets/expansions

Zombies & Companions Upgrade Kit a must if you have any of the older seasons (TCM, RM) or expansions as it’s 2nd edition cards for these.

3D Cars upgrades 2D tokens unnecessary

Zombie Soldiers Set extra set of soldiers from Fort Hendrix fairly useless on their own and not necessary for Fort Hendrix as adding extra zombies makes the game easier (avoids/ slows extra activations)

Daily Zombie Spawn Set you already get 1 full set with your pledge

Fort Hendrix full expansion - extra tiles extra gameplay zombie shooters

Chronicles Survivor Set - 13 extra survivors adds as much extra gameplay as any other survivors would.

**Myrthe**

Too bad I have to go in with a full pledge just to get the Travel Version. I already have Black Plague, Wolfsurg and Green Horde and they rarely hit the table as it is.

**CptJake**

Myrthe wrote:
Too bad I have to go in with a full pledge just to get the Travel Version. I already have Black Plague, Wolfsurg and Green Horde and they rarely hit the table as it is.

I would think you could get someone with a pledge to get the travel version for you.

Or, get the base pledge and sell it on ebay. I would think with the KS content you would t least get your money back.

**ecurtz**

Got the GeekFunder link for the Time Machine KS. Not surprisingly it doesn't actually work - I sense a giant mess approaching...

EDIT: Looks like they started sending out links before they sent the update stating that it wouldn't actually be open until the 20th.

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

not sure if its mean to yet

1. Later today we will start to send invitations to the Pledge Manager system to all backers that have a Priority Access to the Vault, meaning backers with a Rising Sun, Green Horde, or HATE Pledges, or any combination of the 3 Pledges. $1 Time Vault backers that have previously backed a CMON Campaign will receive the invitations as well. Please note that the Time Vault will not be taking any orders just yet! The invitations will be sent merely to assure that all backers have their login and password set up and ready for when the Pledge Manager becomes live and no hindrances will get between you and the goods. Backers that receive the invitations will have until the end of the weekend to test and set up their logins in the system.

Please remember that in order to benefit from Priority Access with your $1 Time Vault pledge you need to make sure you're using the same e-mail address in this pledge as you used on the previous pledge.

2. On Monday, January 20th, at 11 AM EST the Pledge Manager will be officially open to all backers with a Priority Access.

3. On Wednesday, January 22nd, the Pledge Manager will officially open to all backers with a $1 Time Vault Pledge who are first time backers of a CMON campaign. Unfortunately we can't predict the exact time the invitations will arrive to everyone, but they should start to be sent around 11:30 am EST and take a couple of hours to reach all backers.

from todays update

**Gallahad**

I am now rearranging my schedule to be ready to clicky click as fast as I can on Monday and pray the gamer gods I can get some stuff for ASOIAF...

**Monkeysloth**

I scheduled myself for a meeting at work that I'm the only attendee too. Should prevent anyone from snagging me for something at that time.

**Azazelx**

DaveC wrote:

Chronicles Survivor Set - 13 extra survivors adds as much extra gameplay as any other survivors would.

You're a damn superstar, mate!

One final question - isn't/wasn't there some sort of other backwards (or forwards?)-compatable add-on between V1 and V2 that was initially announced and then later included in some of the pledges? Presumably presidential, but it's always best to check....

**DaveC**

Azazelx wrote:
DaveC wrote:

Chronicles Survivor Set - 13 extra survivors adds as much extra gameplay as any other survivors would.

You're a damn superstar, mate!

One final question - isn't/wasn't there some sort of other backwards (or forwards?)-compatable add-on between V1 and V2 that was initially announced and then later included in some of the pledges? Presumably presidential, but it's always best to check....

Yeah the older survivor cards updates were originally for the Nostaligic pledge but they added them to other pledge levels as well (update #1)

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cmon/zombicide-2nd-edition/posts/2654991

The zombie cards in Nostalgic pledge are the ones in the 2nd edition box so you already get them all you have to buy to update the rest of the old stuff is the $8 pack.

**Monkeysloth**

Whelp the Time Machine experience wasn't totally horrible but there was a hiccup as on item I had, Hildi, sold out while I was trying to confirm my pledge and I didn't realize and had to reconfirm again to move on and was worried I'd loose other things.

I got a Ragnarok pledge for Blood Rage which I believe contains the Wild Boar clan -- as the clan box was sold out by the time I got the page loaded at 1 min after launch. I seam to remember CMoN employee confirming that was everything from the first KSer base pledge except the core game. Got the art book too

Does CMoN allow you add more to your pledge once you've paid? Might got back and see what else is there for other things once the swarm has died down. Edit -- looks like you can but people on KSer are saying they're loosing their paid items when they do (others said they didn't). Think I'll wait for this to clear up as I don't have anything else on my to buy -- just wanted to browse.

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

you normally can,

not sure how it will work with this set up though

**ecurtz**

Yeah, I'd recommend NOT unlocking your pledge just to look around. I did and it wasn't letting me keep the items I had paid for already. It looks like it's getting sorted out, but definitely not worth the added stress unless you forgot something on your must have list.

**Tim the Biovore**

Eesh, bit of a mess. CMON responded and have temporarily closed the pledge manager to sort things out.

Not sure what that means for people who lost items after unlocking.

Glad I got in and out with the things I wanted early on

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

well they're going to upset a lot of folk

either those who lost stuff they shouldn't (sorry kids we've not got the stuff to give you back anymore)

or those that grabbed the lost stuff afterwards (sorry kids you paid and got a receipt but we shouldn't have offered them so here's a refund)

or the shareholders (we've had to reprint a bunch of stuff costing money and valuable factory time which means we need to delay a project or two)

but still better than letting the problem roll on

**Gallahad**

I got a Hand of the King and another Sarissa tribe!

Thankfully I didn't unlock despite wanting to. I spent more than I should have, but I was basically panic buying.

**ubik2000**

Yeah, I grabbed the Rising Sun stuff I wanted and closed out - I would have browsed around for more but was too paranoid to unlock. Probably just as well.

**Monkeysloth**

Tim the Biovore wrote:Eesh, bit of a mess. CMON responded and have temporarily closed the pledge manager to sort things out.

Not sure what that means for people who lost items after unlocking.

Glad I got in and out with the things I wanted early on

Seams like it might be a UI error as some people were reporting that if they went back after clearing cache their missing stuff was there. Best to get it sorted though. Also, again, shows how dumb KSer exclusives are.

Gallahad wrote:I got a Hand of the King and another Sarissa tribe!

Thankfully I didn't unlock despite wanting to. I spent more than I should have, but I was basically panic buying.

Awesome. Seams like we both got what we were looking for. I spent a bit more two. Bought some duplicates of the monsters from Blood Rage as CMoN had said months ago they had lots of those. Now I'm not quite sure I should have as they should be in the core pledge I got but I bought them just to be certain in case they weren't.