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2006/08/14 06:06:38
Subject: New 40K FAQs rumored to be posted tomorrow (8/15/06)
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Lieutenant General
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Found THIS posted on GW's forums, so take with a grain of salt: <TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=565 border=0> <TBODY> <TR> <TD vAlign=top width="100%"> FAQS . (0 Replies). Spack[]. 8/14/2006 9:01 (8/14/2006 9:01) </TD> <TD vAlign=top noWrap></TD></TR> <TR> <TD vAlign=top colSpan=3>Just got off the phone with GW UK customer service about the missing FAQs, and Rik Turner has said that the 4th edition FAQs for Marines, Tau, Black Templars and Tyranids will be posted tomorrow, however it appears that there will not be new FAQs for the 3rd edition codexes. It may be that the existing 4.0.1 FAQs will be reinstated, but whether it'll happen tomorrow nobody knows. Until then, the only place to get the existing FAQs in English are via the US site and the Oz site, at the following URLs: http://us.games-workshop.com/errata/errata.htm http://oz.games-workshop.com/games/ 40k/chapter_approved/chapterapproved.htm </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
I guess I'll be keeping an eye open to see if there's any truth to this. However it will be disappointing (to say the least) if it turns out to be true that they don't update all of the FAQs.
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'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
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2006/08/14 06:15:34
Subject: RE: New 40K FAQs rumored to be posted tomorrow (8/15/06)
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Longtime Dakkanaut
Los Angeles
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It wouldn't surpise me. But anything posted on the EoT is suspect anyway.
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"The last known instance of common sense happened at a GT. A player tried to use the 'common sense' argument vs. Mauleed to justify his turbo-boosted bikes getting a saving throw vs. Psycannons. The player's resulting psychic death scream erased common sense from the minds of 40k players everywhere. " - Ozymandias |
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2006/08/14 06:22:59
Subject: RE: New 40K FAQs rumored to be posted tomorrow (8/15/06)
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Fresh-Faced New User
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I'll be more disapointed if they use the assenine rules from the Spanish website.
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2006/08/14 06:34:21
Subject: RE: New 40K FAQs rumored to be posted tomorrow (8/15/06)
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Pragmatic Primus Commanding Cult Forces
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I'm expecting them to be 95% similar to that version. It took them impossibly long to come up with those barebones and sometimes strange FAQs. I think it's unrealistic to expect that an updated version would be much different. In the new WD, Jervis talked at length about FAQs and used the example of drop pods being immobile and therefore giving half VPs. So it looks like that one's going to stick, at least.
Frankly, I hope they never release them, as I'm quite sure they'll make my "overpowered" Tyranid Warriors once again subject to IK.
Ah well.
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2006/08/14 11:25:42
Subject: RE: New 40K FAQs rumored to be posted tomorrow (8/15/06)
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[MOD]
Anti-piracy Officer
Somewhere in south-central England.
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Perhaps it is better to have some unpleasant answers than a lot of unanswered questions.
I don't believe they'll differ much to the Spanish ones.
Tau Sniper Drones and Pathfinders will get shafted.
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2006/08/14 12:19:33
Subject: RE: New 40K FAQs rumored to be posted tomorrow (8/15/06)
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Ancient Chaos Terminator
South Pasadena
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Anyone want to bet on GW actually posting the new FAQ's tomorrow? My bet is "NO"
Darrian (pessimistic)
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2006/08/14 12:50:58
Subject: RE: New 40K FAQs rumored to be posted tomorrow (8/15/06)
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Awesome Autarch
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the half points gien up for drop pods is just absolutely slowed. who came up with that? they are immobile, they have not been immobilized due to enemy fire! ach, i hate that stupid FAQ. at the LA battle bunker they do not use that ruling, if that counts for anything. hahaha, it might have to do with the fact that the manager plays SM's.
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2006/08/15 02:31:06
Subject: RE: New 40K FAQs rumored to be posted tomorrow (8/15/06)
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Frenzied Berserker Terminator
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Posted By Reecius 08/14/2006 5:50 PM the half points gien up for drop pods is just absolutely slowed. who came up with that? they are immobile, they have not been immobilized due to enemy fire! ach, i hate that stupid FAQ. at the LA battle bunker they do not use that ruling, if that counts for anything. hahaha, it might have to do with the fact that the manager plays SM's.
Clearly slowed. Since, y'know, it's in the rulebook and all. Read page 85. Any vehicle that is immobile at the end of the game gives half VP's to the enemy. Never says anything about being immobilised by enemy fire, only that it's immobile at all. Let's not call people slowed when you're wrong anyway.
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2006/08/15 02:35:16
Subject: RE: New 40K FAQs rumored to be posted tomorrow (8/15/06)
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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As of fifteen minutes ago no update on the US or UK site.
I don't care nearly as much for codex FAQ's as I do about FAQ's for the actual rulebook. I await with trepidation.
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2006/08/15 03:10:15
Subject: RE: New 40K FAQs rumored to be posted tomorrow (8/15/06)
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Stalwart Dark Angels Space Marine
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Come now Cheexsta, don't confuse people with the facts when their minds are already made up.
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2006/08/15 03:14:36
Subject: RE: New 40K FAQs rumored to be posted tomorrow (8/15/06)
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Owns Whole Set of Skullz Techpriests
Versteckt in den Schatten deines Geistes.
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Quick!
All you Tyranid players!
Go out and play as many games as you can before S9 and S10 weapons resume insta-killing your forces.
BYE
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2006/08/15 03:16:59
Subject: RE: New 40K FAQs rumored to be posted tomorrow (8/15/06)
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Stalwart Dark Angels Space Marine
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speaking of which the FAQ's are posted on GW UK now, nothing for the rule book, just the 4 codex's that have come out
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2006/08/15 03:30:50
Subject: RE: New 40K FAQs rumored to be posted tomorrow (8/15/06)
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Krazed Killa Kan
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It's the crappy FAQ's from the GW Spain site it seems. At leat it specifically states that Warriors can be instant killed by Lascannons.
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2006/08/15 03:47:50
Subject: RE: New 40K FAQs rumored to be posted tomorrow (8/15/06)
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
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Well, now we have the new FAQ's. Of course, none of the real questions were answered. So, now that we have the FAQ's that we've been clamoring for, how long before all the complaining starts... after all, they are now 'official'... Complaining commences in 3...2...1...
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2006/08/15 03:50:58
Subject: RE: New 40K FAQs rumored to be posted tomorrow (8/15/06)
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Krazed Killa Kan
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The fact that they still don't tell you what to do if a Drop Pod scatters onto a friendly unit is pretty disheartening. Especially since they were clear on a Pod being "immobilized" on arrival.
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2006/08/15 03:56:37
Subject: RE: New 40K FAQs rumored to be posted tomorrow (8/15/06)
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Pragmatic Primus Commanding Cult Forces
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I've said my peace on Tyranid Warriors and instant kills, so I won't comment further. But to waste time answering three questions on spore mines and one on whether the Tyrant is an IC, and ignore the common question of how to treat a model armed with two venom cannons...well, it's every bit the excrement I expected.
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2006/08/15 03:57:42
Subject: RE: New 40K FAQs rumored to be posted tomorrow (8/15/06)
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Widowmaker
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Well this does address some of the more bizarro things with the new codexes. Just wish we had a FAQ for the main rulebook.
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2006/08/15 04:06:04
Subject: RE: New 40K FAQs rumored to be posted tomorrow (8/15/06)
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Pragmatic Primus Commanding Cult Forces
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The fact that they still don't tell you what to do if a Drop Pod scatters onto a friendly unit is pretty disheartening.
I think the disheartening part is that every time you think things might be improving at the studio, they prove they're still out of touch with what's really going on in the hobby. I'm sure anything I'm saying will get written off by the designers as just another internet whiner. But I've defended the studio many times on this forum and others. I'm just being honest when I say these are just a poor, poor effort, especially given how long players have waited. How long will we have to wait to have our real questions answered?
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2006/08/15 04:14:02
Subject: RE: New 40K FAQs rumored to be posted tomorrow (8/15/06)
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Plastictrees
Amongst the Stars, In the Night
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All I know is that things are bad when gorgon is disgusted with the studio. Really bad. I know I've been complaining for years (and often with gorgon as my foil), but good grief. What will it take for the studio to get it? Or is it management not getting it? Or both? Look at Flames of War, their new v2 ruleset has just been released and they're already keeping a FAQ updated ("Letters from the Front") on their website. Not even a month has passed and they are on top of things. GW= Two years and basic fundamental issues still haven't been adressed. Ugh.
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2006/08/15 04:21:20
Subject: RE: New 40K FAQs rumored to be posted tomorrow (8/15/06)
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Dakka Veteran
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Posted By H.B.M.C. 08/15/2006 8:14 AM Quick!
All you Tyranid players!
Go out and play as many games as you can before S9 and S10 weapons resume insta-killing your forces.
BYE
ROFLMAO HBMC, that really made my day. One of my buddies plays 'Nids all of the time and I keep on forgetting that they cannot be insta-killed. Boy, that would make his dislike of GW on my level.
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2006/08/15 04:25:31
Subject: RE: New 40K FAQs rumored to be posted tomorrow (8/15/06)
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Two years and THIS is what they put out? Shameful. I'm curious if the studio sees posting these as a "win" or a "loss" for themselves.
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2006/08/15 04:31:12
Subject: RE: New 40K FAQs rumored to be posted tomorrow (8/15/06)
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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This is sad.
There is a clear need for for a a detailed review of the basic rules and that has not occurred. When Dakka and other boards can generate pages of questions that need FAQing, when their own website has a a thumb in the air FAQ that itself goes for pages, why is this not addressed?!?!
Further, there were issues raised in the old FAQ's for existing codexes, which have not been addressed.
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-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
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2006/08/15 04:45:44
Subject: RE: New 40K FAQs rumored to be posted tomorrow (8/15/06)
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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It's like someone decided to let a bunch of high school kids take over doing errata for GW.
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"I've still got a job, so the rules must be good enough" - Design team motto. |
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2006/08/15 04:46:25
Subject: RE: New 40K FAQs rumored to be posted tomorrow (8/15/06)
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Pragmatic Primus Commanding Cult Forces
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Eh, I'm already getting over it. I'll just have to go Godzilla now, like *everyone* else. Synapse was hard but doable as long as Warriors and Zoanthropes had some durability. This just accelerates players moving away from Gaunts and toward the units that make up a Godzilla list...Tyrants, Carnifexes and Stealers. It was already happening, but I'm sure GW didn't notice. I think Tyrants "hidden" in Tyrant Guard units will become more popular, at least. The really funny thing is that you know Tyranid MCs will get the nerf treatment in the next Tyranid codex. That's all they'll see players using at tournaments, so the only "answer" they'll come up with is that they must be completely broken. I feel bad for all the people on various forums who took the time to put together their own, extensive FAQs. I'd think these would be fairly insulting.
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2006/08/15 04:58:40
Subject: RE: New 40K FAQs rumored to be posted tomorrow (8/15/06)
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Tough-as-Nails Ork Boy
Sweden
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What´s the point in Depp Striking Land Speeders now..? I don´t know what to say about this crap really... But I feel far, faaar better treated by Battle Front. GW should learn from them.
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2006/08/15 05:04:06
Subject: RE: New 40K FAQs rumored to be posted tomorrow (8/15/06)
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I know, I will never, ever enforce their ruling on Synapse. Here is something interesting from the latest White Dwarf:
Jervis Johnson, pg. 71 of USWD 320
"I have to admit that, very occasionally, we do get it wrong. We might not word something perectly, or a rule might get changed late in writing and affect other rules in an unforeseen way. Speaking as a designer, there is nothing worse than finding out that a rule you have written is not achieving the effect you wanted, and one's instinct is to dive in and try and fix it immediately. However, I've learned that doing so in the Errata for a rule book can cause all kinds of other problems."
Insert Paragraph saying that clearifing the Wolf Leader in a Wolf Scout Squad was a bad thing. "...Still, you live and learn. Thus, from now on, our errata will only fix typographical errors or unclear rules."
"Further changes will be made only when we bring out a new edition of a rule book or supplement. Thus, when we next revise Codex: Space Marine we may ange the rule for drop pods (earlier he stated by RAW drop pods are immobilized because they are immobile), and you can rest assured that the next Codex: Space Wolves will not allow infiltrating Wolf Gaurd Leaders. What we won't do is alter the rules in the errata or other media. By doing so, we can ensure that all players are made aware of changes, as it's rather hard to miss a new Codex coming out!"
So it looks like GW would rather listen to those complaining that they don't have access to the FAQ's rather than those complaining that they don't fix their mistakes.
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2006/08/15 05:24:02
Subject: RE: New 40K FAQs rumored to be posted tomorrow (8/15/06)
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
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Yeah, I read that Mahu. Its basically sticking your head in the sand. Which is sad because most players actually have access to the internet, I would think, and could get them. And most of the people who want Errata are the Tourny players anyway, and they'd make sure they found them. Its a lame excuse. You know you put out a sub-par product, so instead of fixing it, you wait till you publish another codex, thereby forcing people to pay - yet again - for rules that will probably also have issues. Including stealth printings of the Chaos Dex, I have 4 chaos codexes in three editions (and 4th doesn't really count as a full edition), and its still a mess... I'm usually willing to give the benefit of the doubt, but geez...
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2006/08/15 05:30:20
Subject: RE: New 40K FAQs rumored to be posted tomorrow (8/15/06)
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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My fully legal V3 Chaos codex has T5 oblits. By this train of logic (not needing FAQ's) that puppy's fully usable. Hurray!
This just burns me up. Don't play much due to work and the plethora of 13 year old gamers as opponents, so drawn mostly to new codexes and the pulp fiction they put out. But I can rectify that quite easily.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
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2006/08/15 05:58:21
Subject: RE: New 40K FAQs rumored to be posted tomorrow (8/15/06)
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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WORTHLESS! That is all there is to say about the Templars FAQ. It should have just said...."go read the marine FAQ!" At least the other ones have SOME things addressed. They still haven't addressed issues from the Core book nor, any of the older books. Wow. It looks like the Adepticon Council Rulings are becoming the best rulings in organized play so far. After 2 years, this is sad. Capt K
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2006/08/15 06:11:27
Subject: RE: New 40K FAQs rumored to be posted tomorrow (8/15/06)
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Fresh-Faced New User
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Hi All I don't post much as there are lots of smarter players here than I. Funnier too. As for this 'amazing' performance with GW's efforts on FAQ's, it's simple really. FAQ's are free. Want new rules, buy the Codex. Sure you have to wait a couple of years and it's lousy customer service at best, but it makes GW money short term. FOW looks better and better all the time. Wait five years and it will be GW who? I'm finishing off my 28mm terrain projects then converting over to 15mm stuff. Robert
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