Domestic Terrorists Take Over Federal Building in Oregon

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**Kanluwen**

d-usa wrote:
I wonder if they realized that letting Bundy get away with it for this long encouraged the kind of behavior that resulted in the siege, so they arrested him now.

More likely than not, they've been waiting for him to leave his ranch to get him.

He should have taken some advice from Roman Polanski and laid low.

**d-usa**

Listened to some of the "negotiations" from last night. They sound like a bunch of spoiled kids. "If we get arrested we will go to jail!"

Rule #1 of standing up to authority: never do it unless you are willing to suffer the consequences of failure.

**Kilkrazy**

In their heads the US and Oregon governments are not legitimate authority and the police, etc are basically gestapo stormtroopers or something.

**KommissarKiln**

d-usa wrote:
Listened to some of the "negotiations" from last night. They sound like a bunch of spoiled kids. "If we get arrested we will go to jail!"

Rule #1 of standing up to authority: never do it unless you are willing to suffer the consequences of failure.

Seems like they have little to no grasp of how the whole civil disobedience thing worked, like they did with the Civil Rights movement back in the 60s. ...Oh, wait.

**d-usa**

KommissarKiln wrote:
d-usa wrote:
Listened to some of the "negotiations" from last night. They sound like a bunch of spoiled kids. "If we get arrested we will go to jail!"

Rule #1 of standing up to authority: never do it unless you are willing to suffer the consequences of failure.

Seems like they have little to no grasp of how the whole civil disobedience thing worked, like they did with the Civil Rights movement back in the 60s. ...Oh, wait.

Getting arrested was the whole point of the civil disobedience thing. That was the reason they decided to break these laws, because their arrests would serve as symbols of the unjust laws. They trained extensively to be able to remain passive as they were yelled at, spit on, and arrested.

If you are not willing to be arrested and face the charges, then you don't know how civil disobedience works.

**Vaktathi**

Im rather pleased knowing that Cliven is sitting in the pokie but a few miles from my office. Took far too long for that to happen.

**d-usa**

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/02/11/466394039/listen-final-occupier-refusing-to-leave-oregon-wildlife-refuge

One guy left who will "die a free man".

**MrDwhitey**

A free man trapped in a building he's illegally squatted in?

**Vaktathi**

Fry's meltdown would be comedy gold if there wasnt the potential for someone getting shot. Dude just cannot accept the situation he's in nor willing to accept the consequences of his actions...and is acting more than a wee bit loony.

**KommissarKiln**

d-usa wrote:
KommissarKiln wrote:
d-usa wrote:
Listened to some of the "negotiations" from last night. They sound like a bunch of spoiled kids. "If we get arrested we will go to jail!"

Rule #1 of standing up to authority: never do it unless you are willing to suffer the consequences of failure.

Seems like they have little to no grasp of how the whole civil disobedience thing worked, like they did with the Civil Rights movement back in the 60s. ...Oh, wait.

Getting arrested was the whole point of the civil disobedience thing. That was the reason they decided to break these laws, because their arrests would serve as symbols of the unjust laws. They trained extensively to be able to remain passive as they were yelled at, spit on, and arrested.

If you are not willing to be arrested and face the charges, then you don't know how civil disobedience works.

I'm not sure if my wording was vague, but I think we are very much on the same page with this.

I hope this last guy will just come to whatever senses he may have and just let this all end. I think avoiding needless casualties is everyone's priority, except for Fry himself; and honestly, drawing this out and pouting about the situation he got himself into looks really bad and isn't going to be pushing his agenda any further.

**d-usa**

I'm pretty sure he's either going to kill himself or starts shooting at anyone trying to get in before he kills himself and get shot

He will get his wish.

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KommissarKiln wrote:
d-usa wrote:
KommissarKiln wrote:
d-usa wrote:
Listened to some of the "negotiations" from last night. They sound like a bunch of spoiled kids. "If we get arrested we will go to jail!"

Rule #1 of standing up to authority: never do it unless you are willing to suffer the consequences of failure.

Seems like they have little to no grasp of how the whole civil disobedience thing worked, like they did with the Civil Rights movement back in the 60s. ...Oh, wait.

Getting arrested was the whole point of the civil disobedience thing. That was the reason they decided to break these laws, because their arrests would serve as symbols of the unjust laws. They trained extensively to be able to remain passive as they were yelled at, spit on, and arrested.

If you are not willing to be arrested and face the charges, then you don't know how civil disobedience works.

I'm not sure if my wording was vague, but I think we are very much on the same page with this.

I hope this last guy will just come to whatever senses he may have and just let this all end. I think avoiding needless casualties is everyone's priority, except for Fry himself; and honestly, drawing this out and pouting about the situation he got himself into looks really bad and isn't going to be pushing his agenda any further.

I see, I think the "oh wait" threw me off.

**LordofHats**

And they got Bundy Sr. too?! Is it my birthday and no one told me

Hope that last guy just gives it up. I think one dead person is more than enough for this menagerie.

**Vaktathi**

Looks like Fry gave up, what an odd road he took to get there.

**Ouze**

Aaaaand, it's gone - all 4 are in custody.

There's gold in them thar hills:

10:27 a.m.: Fry says he doesn't care about the movement anymore. That he's doing this for himself.

9:55 a.m.: Fry says he is declaring a one-man war on the U.S. government, saying he wants "liberty or death."

8:40 a.m.: Nevada Assemblywoman Michele Fiore, a high-profile supporter of the Bundy family, said she and Christian evangelist Franklin Graham are traveling to the refuge. Fiore's trip to Oregon is in apparent response to a call from Ammon Bundy, who asked elected officials from across the West to come to the aid of the occupiers.

On her website, Fiore lists job creation, reducing business regulation and taxation and defending Second Amendment rights as among her priorities. She often displays her support for gun rights on social media. Last November, she promoted a 2016 calendar on Twitter that shows her with a firearm for every month of the year.

'murca

**Easy E**

So, 41 days later it is all over and no one got droned.

**Ouze**

Only because the fedcoats knew there were Navy Seals ready to parachute in at a moment's notice.

**d-usa**

Glad this got taken care of before spring, we would have had to switch to fedpolos.

**KommissarKiln**

Finally, Fry said he wanted a cigarette and cookie and started walking out.

Ah, the classic "We have cookies" line. Oldest trick in the OPPRESSIVE, OVERREACHING FEDERAL GOVERNMENT'S book.

I honestly wonder how many people involved were simply bandwagon-ing. Fry clearly did not feel motivated to continue his group's little "movement" as soon as he was the only one left.

d-usa wrote:
Glad this got taken care of before spring, we would have had to switch to fedpolos.

Also, this is hilarous.

**LordofHats**

d-usa wrote:
Glad this got taken care of before spring, we would have had to switch to fedpolos.

Oh man

So... /thread? I don't think we can top that.

**Ouze**

Indeed, with "Fedpolos", I think the saga of the Branch Dildonians draws to a close.

Although I would like an update on how much of the 55 gallon drum of lube remains.

**hotsauceman1**

Ahhhhh, what do you mean this is over anticlimatically?

**Ouze**

hotsauceman1 wrote:
Ahhhhh, what do you mean this is over anticlimatically?

Yes, after all these cowboys came together in tight quarters, a fire crackling nearby, the smell of lube and Ayn Rand in the air, and said they'd pound away at their grievances long and hard until they reached a spectacular climax, it would seem that they've blown their wad.

**porkuslime**

Ouze wrote:
Indeed, with "Fedpolos", I think the saga of the Branch Dildonians draws to a close.

Although I would like an update on how much of the 55 gallon drum of lube remains.

I also would like resolution on this vitally important survival supply..

**kronk**

Ouze wrote:
hotsauceman1 wrote:
Ahhhhh, what do you mean this is over anticlimatically?

Yes, after all these cowboys came together in tight quarters, a fire crackling nearby, the smell of lube and Ayn Rand in the air, and said they'd pound away at their grievances long and hard until they reached a spectacular climax, it would seem that they've blown their wad.

My innuendo meter broke. You owe me $5.00.

**Kap'n Krump**

Ouze wrote:
Only because the fedcoats knew there were Navy Seals ready to parachute in at a moment's notice.

Maybe I'm a bit slow, but I only just now realized that fedcoats is a play on redcoats, i.e. the british from the revolution.

At any rate, looks like the fedcoats won this one! Maybe next time, crazy people. Maybe next time.

**SilverMK2**

Kap'n Krump wrote:
Ouze wrote:
Only because the fedcoats knew there were Navy Seals ready to parachute in at a moment's notice.

Maybe I'm a bit slow, but I only just now realized that fedcoats is a play on redcoats, i.e. the british from the revolution.

At any rate, looks like the fedcoats won this one! Maybe next time, crazy people. Maybe next time.

Next time...

**KommissarKiln**

Ouze wrote:
Indeed, with "Fedpolos", I think the saga of the Branch Dildonians draws to a close.

Although I would like an update on how much of the 55 gallon drum of lube remains.

The answer to your question:

All 55 gallons of it. And yes, I am sucking up to your avatar, heavily.

**Ouze**

Cliven Bundy has requested a court-appointed lawyer, because of course he did.

**d-usa**

Ouze wrote:
Cliven Bundy has requested a court-appointed lawyer, because of course he did.

He will appeal his conviction because the lawyer was paid for by the government and therefore had no authority to represent him!

Edit:

Here is a good article about the way the FBI handled this:

http://www.npr.org/2016/02/12/466512321/during-wildlife-refuge-occupation-fbi-exercised-strategic-patience

**Relapse**

Hats off to the Feds on this one. They handled it far better than they did in Nevada.