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I'm super cheap. I'm only getting one or the other.

So I have been thinking, do tou guys think we will end up with a single Chapter Tactic for the Blood Angels? Or do you think we will end up with a Chapter Tactic for successor Chapters like the Flesh Tearers?

Probably just one, I don’t think GW cares that much and they barely threw Crimson Fists a bone. We’ll see.

It will be a copy paste from our previous codex. The OP +1S is meaningless in an even heavier shooty edition, unless you have some dedicated melee god-like units which BA don't have at the moment.

Yeah, I'm not sure how they are gonna make assault meq viable.

Martel732 wrote:
Yeah, I'm not sure how they are gonna make assault meq viable.

I'm not sure how they're going to make MEQ viable at all. XD
It's all about dem vehicles right now. Them and Bobby are like the only things holding the astartes up.

Shooting meqs are okay because they can get 2+ armor for free.

Martel732 wrote:
Shooting meqs are okay because they can get 2+ armor for free.

Yeah. 8th has taught me that melee is generally a burden unless you build for it... And even than it is pretty lackluster. So, my now extinct (according to the new Nids fluff) Knights of Blood will be a mainly shooting army.

"BA" list made third at warzone Atlanta:

Dante, 4 acolytes, 2 calexus assassins, 3 assbacks, 3 stormravens, 2 tempestor primes, 3 scion troops, and 2 scion command squads

Only way to win: imperial soup

senor_flojo wrote:
"BA" list made third at warzone Atlanta:

Dante, 4 acolytes, 2 calexus assassins, 3 assbacks, 3 stormravens, 2 tempestor primes, 3 scion troops, and 2 scion command squads

Only way to win: imperial soup

This is why we cannot have nice things. :(

senor_flojo wrote:
"BA" list made third at warzone Atlanta:

Dante, 4 acolytes, 2 calexus assassins, 3 assbacks, 3 stormravens, 2 tempestor primes, 3 scion troops, and 2 scion command squads

Only way to win: imperial soup

That list doesn't even sound fun to play. Ugh.

Yeah I'm not a fan of those lists that are "technically BA." It's clearly just a spam of good marine vehicles accompanied by other imperial elements, and Dante could easily be replaced by a jump captain/chapter master from the standard codex except that the player wants to be registered as BA.

I definitely don't see much legitimacy in current ITC rankings or tourney faction results due to this, never mind that some of the ITC rankings are from 7e.

Thankfully I don't really play in tournaments, a lot of the lists for the big tournaments just look terrible to me. I would rather lose with a list I enjoy running, versus win with a list that isn't fun.

One thing they could give us in the codex is an improved wings of sanguinius power which should work the same as the chaos space marin power: deep strike 9" move again then charge

How have you guys been running your Dreadnoughts? I have tried running mine with Multi-Melta/Dread CCW... but it has been very lackluster. It misses far too much for my liking when it inevitably has to move to get into range, rarely gets anything worthwhile in Melta range, and with the single Melta shot, I tend to burn Command Points that could be better used elsewhere trying to get it to wound its target. So, how have you guys been running your Dreads? I feel like Twin-Las/Dread CCW will be a better option for the better range, strength and additional shot. It will also allow me to keep my Dreads a little further back and use them as a second wave to hit big targets like Daemon Princes/Primarchs in melee since they are the only high strength, consistent damage melee units my army has.

So, how do you guys run your Dreads?

Anything that has 36"+ range. My dreads usually are long range fire support. Usually no CC weapons unless i face CC heavy armies like tyranids or orks, who can get close pretty fast. Also remember you are not limited to normal dreads, you can mix and use a venerable dread from another SM chapter. Those will hit on 2+ and have 6+ FNP.

 NH Gunsmith wrote:
How have you guys been running your Dreadnoughts? I have tried running mine with Multi-Melta/Dread CCW... but it has been very lackluster. It misses far too much for my liking when it inevitably has to move to get into range, rarely gets anything worthwhile in Melta range, and with the single Melta shot, I tend to burn Command Points that could be better used elsewhere trying to get it to wound its target. So, how have you guys been running your Dreads? I feel like Twin-Las/Dread CCW will be a better option for the better range, strength and additional shot. It will also allow me to keep my Dreads a little further back and use them as a second wave to hit big targets like Daemon Princes/Primarchs in melee since they are the only high strength, consistent damage melee units my army has.

So, how do you guys run your Dreads?

I run a Librarian Dread, typically armed with a Heavy Flamer (Though, the Meltagun option is also a decent one). In addition, I've got a Death Company Dreadnought in the works that I intend to run with a pair of Fists (since re-rolling to-hit naturally with a fixed 3 damage per swing is better than D6 damage with no re-roll to hit unless there's a chaplain close-by). Though, I am planning on magnetizing the hands so I can run fists or talons depending on what the new codex has in store.

As for standard non-furioso/unique BA dreads, I do think that a pair of lascannons and a missile launcher is a good option, or a pair of lascannons and a fist with a heavy flamer if you plan on dealing with melee often. The other options are good, but that twin lascannon is tough to beat in my opinion.

Just my thoughts on that. Take it easy.

-Red__Thirst-

I've had some time to reflect on the recent local tourney this past weekend....

Itc rules and objectives (scoring was a learning experience).

My list


First round was against a Tau army with three Stormsurges and.some Pathfinders. Lost the rolloff to go first. It was a fun battle, but I had no answer for the super heavies and ran out of time after bottom of the third.

Second round was a Blood Angels army with maybe 8 razorbacks with mixed assault cannon and lascannon, Dante, Celestine, some assassins, and some assorted infantry. Had the initiative seized from me. This battle was interesting because I caught on that my opponent was rerolling missed hits and missed wounds. I thought it might have been Celestine or something, but caught on late match because she wasn't around and Dante was. I could have said something then, but at this point it didn't really matter considering how much it affected the outcome of the rolls. But afterwards I asked about the rerolls for wounds and he said it was from Dante. I showed him the index.

After that, I kinda had the wind knocked out of my sails for the day, but still had one match to go. A beautiful Space Wolf army (won best painted) consisting of maybe 80% character models. It was equally fun and annoying. Don't really have much else to say about it. Nice guy, annoying army.

All in all, not a terrible day. Still need to work on tactics, need more games under my belt. Going second every round, even though itc claims to make it more advantageous objectively, didn't really work for me and I found units getting crippled before I could do anything with them a bit frustrating. But sometimes you eat the bar, and sometimes the bar eats you.

Have y'all seen the new primaris lieutenant?

Yep, I like him but i'm just suprised we got any BA specific primaris at all.

Eh, I find it a little underwhelming. I hope they have some better news next week....

senor_flojo wrote:
Eh, I find it a little underwhelming. I hope they have some better news next week....

Me too. I am starting to get a bit impatient knowing our Codex is just around the corner, but it feels like they are dragging its release out. I was hoping it would have been available for pre order this week, hopefully next week.

I think someone on bolter & chainsword was predicting preorder on the 2nd and release on the 9th

senor_flojo wrote:
I think someone on bolter & chainsword was predicting preorder on the 2nd and release on the 9th

Ugh. That's awful. Did they say it it was going to be dual release? That doesn't leave a lot of time to get the Dark Angels book out before the end of the year.

Nothing about a dual release. I suspect they might be a week or two later

DA codex is December 16th

I don't know if anyone noticed, but in the chapter approved leaked pages, they had inferno pistols at 9 points, and hand flamers at 3 points.

I'm guessing BA will see these same point changes plus a bunch more but thats a lot better than 20 and 8 for them.

You guys see the spoilers yet?! Our book looks like it's gonna be good.

Still looks like chopping with power armor. We need a way to deal with screens, or its all moot.

Martel732 wrote:
Still looks like chopping with power armor. We need a way to deal with screens, or its all moot.

True. But I still can't wait to issue forth the words of power I have been wating to say all edition:

"Index be gone!"