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PM is live they aren’t hanging around. No update yet on closing date. (EDIT invite says July 1st)

Shipping is in 2 waves - base game then everything else. Shipping cost seems to reflect this $62 is probably the highest I’ve been charged without doubling up the base pledge - although it is 2 full stand alone games.

 PsychoticStorm wrote:
I am sorry Darktraveler77 this is not what I wrote, so? maybe reread and try to understand what I say instead of thinking what I said?
I would say your assessment is mostly correct, mid 20's plus what essentially is the generation that is infused with computer games, you may not like my assessments and you may like what you get, it is fine to disagree, from the comments what I see is people expected/ wanted more games IP.
Aliens? well I would expect the aliens and maybe the power loader? or an ambient influence from aliens,

You guys are both wrong.
Average age of a gamer is now 35. I'm older than than and now what Anthem, Gears of War et al are - and I also know what BTTF, Dune, Blade Runner are.

I think the reason that stuff from well known Aliens, Predator, Terminator, Star Wars, Star Trek, Doctor Who, Judge Dredd didn't show up is because all of those properties have current licencees in this very space. Prodoss, River Horse, FFG, Wizkids, Warlord Games. And if you don't think EA (owners of Anthem, Titanfall) and other games companies watch their IPs and are quite litigious to protect their properties, have a looky here.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/megacongames/myth-0/posts/527334

This was over a decoration within their LOGO.

And yeah, the "Dredd" model doesn't actually look like anything Dredd unless you really look for it, what with the kilt and all. And even then, it's sketchy and based on the film rather than the iconic comic-book look. The "ambient influence from Aliens" is all over the Xenomorphs from the standalone expansion, but making all the survivors simply Colonial Marines knock-offs would have been boring, and clearly not the more Heinlein/40k-inspired direction that they wanted to go in.

CMON just posted this to the Zombicide: Invaders update page.

Character Redesign

<INITIATING SURVIVOR EMERGENCY TRANSMISSION>

We regret to inform that we ran into some issues with three of the unlocked Stretch Goal Survivors: Richard Kindred, Madame Singleton, and Doctor Stakefrieze. They have been temporarily removed from the campaign page. But don’t panic, they are undergoing a redesign session and will soon be reinstated into our ranks.

<INVADER DETECTED> </END TRANSMISSION>


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Madame Singleton = Not Tina Turner from Mad Max
Doctor Stakefrieze = Not Morpheus from Matrix
Richard Kindred = Not Deckard from Blade Runner

Copyright claim or production redesign?

Comment section is full of comments wishing most of the other tribute characters (and the basic abomination) have the same fate...

kinda nuts.

Given all 3 of those would be Warner Brothers I guessing a threat to sue them out of existence.

I would guess more dissapear once Fox and the rest get wind of this.

Which characters were those parodying?

Stakefrieze and Singleton are no great loss pity about Kindred. It just shows they sailed to close to the wind with the new artwork no issues since the first KS and now 5 in this one.

As for those wanting their money back because 3 characters (out of 37) will be changed does no one read the terms and conditions anymore

TERMS AND CONDITIONS

By pledging to this project, you acknowledge that the final look, materials and content of the rewards (and the project) are subject to change and may differ substantially from what is presented while the Kickstarter project was active.

Is this a trick question? almost nobody reads terms and conditions at all, not anymore, from their start.

The case studies about it are so numerous one should take it for granted.

Edit what worries me is what if people star using it as a tool to change miniatures they do not like, there are many voices in the comments wishing X tribute was not there, given copyright claims seem to be an effective way to remove such models it is no big leap of logic to have people "from the good of their hart" notifying companies of "possible issues" and if these companies take notice, it can be a big disruption for kickstarter projects, not just CMON

In the past CMON offered refunds when Miramax sent them legal notice about two characters based on the Kill Bill franchise.

BreezingThrough about 3 hours ago
In case wondering who:
(previous removed was Will Smith)
Harison Ford
Tina Tuner
and Laurence Fishburne (Morpheus)

No great loss with those three. If they end up being replaced by original designs like Will Smith was, I'd even be quite happy.

Losing th doctor and madame is no big deal to me (sculpts were bland). However losing Kindred sucks. I didn't think the mini even had the likeness of Ford, but he at least was one character from a more well known sci fi series.

Maybe alter the art/mini a tad and leave as is?

Although maybe this will help us get riddick and a samus/boba hybrid!

They do this to themselves, what would possess them to have artwork created that looks exactly like an actor, when the miniature itself would never come close to that detail? Just make a mini of Guy in a lab coat with crazy hair looking at his watch, and have the self restraint not to make him look exactly like the guy from Suburban Commando.

An alternative way to avoid celebrity likenesses would be to have them actually wearing helmets and rebreathers since, you know, they're in a hostile environment and all.

As long as the redesigned minis are better, I don't mind those three being replaced. Losing Will Smith got us a much better mini.

 DaveC wrote:
Stakefrieze and Singleton are no great loss pity about Kindred. It just shows they sailed to close to the wind with the new artwork no issues since the first KS and now 5 in this one.
As for those wanting their money back because 3 characters (out of 37) will be changed does no one read the terms and conditions anymore

Well, most T&C aren't legally worth the paper they're not printed on, so there's that. As for people wanting a refund because of the three characters - they're still within the full refund window of the KS that CMoN offers, aren't they?

I think Adrian Smith's "realistic" painted artwork probably doesn't help them with it all either. The line art from previous campaigns was quite a bit looser, especially when it came to facial features as opposed to AS painting an actor's face taken directly from a film still. They should/could have made the artwork more generic, since it's not like their tiny pvc figure's heads would have looked exactly like Harrison, Tina or Lawrence. gak, they could probably use the exact same figures with new non-infringing artwork.

Looking at the PM for this thing, and still trying to decide to go in or not (fastest PM I've ever seen!) I have a couple of questions - and as the KS comments are typically a human sewer, I'm asking them here.

What's the specific use for the Counter base set? (and are there really only 6 of each?)

Is the tiles set new stuff, or reprints from the core set?

Are the Promo Xenos different sculpts to the ones included in the regular core sets?

The counter bases are just for easy identification of any enemies you feel are worthy of note. I guess it's because there are plenty of people who don't paint the miniatures, so all of the special xenos are going to look roughly the same from a distance. Keeps you from mistaking a seeker for a worker, I guess.

The tiles are reprints from the Invader sets (9 Invader Core, 3 Black Ops)

Promo Xenos set sculpts are the same as the freebies

To any returning Zombicide players, are the tiles worth it? Or will I find the main missions engaging enough to not feel the need to make my own?

 Tim the Biovore wrote:
The counter bases are just for easy identification of any enemies you feel are worthy of note. I guess it's because there are plenty of people who don't paint the miniatures, so all of the special xenos are going to look roughly the same from a distance. Keeps you from mistaking a seeker for a worker, I guess.

The tiles are reprints from the Invader sets (9 Invader Core, 3 Black Ops)

Promo Xenos set sculpts are the same as the freebies

To any returning Zombicide players, are the tiles worth it? Or will I find the main missions engaging enough to not feel the need to make my own?

Thanks for that - I see the point there on the counter bases I guess. The Green Tide walkers and runners look way too close to each others' designs. Is it just the 18 of them (3x6) in the set for US$15 though? Seems pretty expensive for what you get there.

I've found that once you get a few sets in, you've got more tiles than you'll ever use. I've also gone "double core pledge" a few times, but never really needed the extra tiles. Depends on how often you play and the mentality of your group. I find the scenarios are replayable, but I've got a mate who has a "get through it all as fast as possible" mentality, so if we get super lucky and all goes perfectly and we finish a scenario in 15mins, that one is done and dusted for him forever. GG would also frequently publish new scenarios on their bog/website and there was an app for previous editions to build your own.

Ah, fantastic, good to know.

There are 48 counters in the set, 16 of each. Don't know how I missed that in my first reply. The graphic is a tad misleading, but presumably they wanted to show them off properly instead of as a mass of circles of potentially ambiguous form.

Thank you - I get that with the image, but often they add some text with the exact numbers of things.

CMON just posted an update with resin samples of miniatures and they look terrible with shallow melty detail.








More "bad old days of PVC" horror here: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cmon/zombicide-invader/posts/2368605

This makes me very worried about the final quality of the miniatures. These would be bad even for PVC. If the resins look like this imagine how the PVC will look...

Yikes
But then we will get "quality akin to GW" in the youtube reviews nonsense...

I like the space manta ray`s design though

There are a couple that are not tooooo bad in the link (Stomper Abomination for example is pretty nice)

Mold lines are pretty gross though, and "Shadow Abomination" is probably the worst not-Alien I`ve ever seen.

From the comments: "And since when has cmon had a bad looking mini."
Bhaha

The other thing that is pretty horrendous is the presentation of these minis -a wooden table and a black carpet backdrop? For a 3.35 million dollar campaign?

from the update it sounds very much like they got the door test shots from the factory (which have good photos)

but these basic mini shots are ones taken at the factory and are not stuff they've got at CMON HQ yet

(also based on the resins we saw for starcadia quest they were far worse than the production minis that were made from them so hopefully that will be the case here too for those who backed)

I'm really hoping they haven't given the go-ahead for production on these. They are honestly the lowest detail resins I've seen.

Wait- those are the resins? Jeez. That is bad then.

Considering the bulk were all 3d sculpted as well, you'd think they'd have a lock on getting these to turn out nicely.

Then again, considering how bland some figures from games have looked in photos prior to arrival, I won't pass judgement until their in my grubby paws.

I remember one of the Rum & Bones games had all sorts of complaints about poor photography, and the figures turned out fine. Conan too had a bunch of teeth gnashing over poorly lit shots.

I think the Green Horde figures came out great, so I'm hoping these will be of similar quality in the end.

I feel like that's a typo/mistake - those pics don't look like resin, but definitely look like mediocre PVC.

Yikes.

Well if anyone feels like these are not acceptable quality levels, now is the time to make a stink over in the comments section. I think it is important to let businesses know early on in the process what is and isn't acceptable quality rather than just crossing our collective fingers.

As if CMON reads the comments once a project has funded...

(as I said above I bet these are rough draft resins which will be scanned and then improved digitally just like Starcadia Quests stuff was, although it doen't help with the fairly limp art direction)

I'm pretty sure they still keep tabs on the comments even if they aren't active there. If enough people say something I'm confident they will see it. Surely it is more likely at least than just saying something about it here