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The new GW paints are deliberately different to make it harder to find and buy alternatives. The matches given there are the ones that GW claim are the official matches on their compatibility chart PDF.

In a year or so once Vallejo have had a chance to release colour matches for the new range, I suspect we'll just set up a second chart beneath the first, and do colour matches for the new range instead of the old. I will add a disclaimer to the two GW paint columns now though.

thank you for this... now to get these deathwing termies dont with a 50/50 mix of rakarth flesh and mournfang brown

You seem to have missed the Foundry paint ranges which are citadel close. And as far as awre have the highest pigment content of all the paints, about 4x, makes them great for airbrushing. (Updated)






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http://www.wargamesfoundry.com/paints they also offer a range of skin colours for all ethnic types

I'm curious if anybody has already gone through the effort to match the Badger Minitaire paint to the chart? http://minitaire.com/

I've been using the paint to pretty good effect. Been looking around for a conversion chart though to GW.

The badger paint colour list

FYI, the first nine links in the references section are dead. Great chart otherwise!

One thing that should be updated on this chart. Mechanicus Standard Grey is nothing like Vallejo Game color Heavy Grey. The VGC color has a green tint to it.

 Jburch wrote:
One thing that should be updated on this chart. Mechanicus Standard Grey is nothing like Vallejo Game color Heavy Grey. The VGC color has a green tint to it.

I agree its no where near close, its actually closer to death world forst ( i think thats what its called)

Gents, it's a wiki - that's the beauty of the system, so if you feel something is missing/wrong/mislabelled etc, then feel free to edit it and correct where necessary.

It is a living article after all so the more attention and care it gets, the better for all concerned.

gilljoy wrote:

 Jburch wrote:
One thing that should be updated on this chart. Mechanicus Standard Grey is nothing like Vallejo Game color Heavy Grey. The VGC color has a green tint to it.

I agree its no where near close, its actually closer to death world forst ( i think thats what its called)

Does anyone know a better Vallejo alternative to Mechanicus Standard Grey?

Not Vallejo, but Wargames Foundry are a good bet, with 'Storm
Blue 39B'

They are very close to old citadel and work on a triate colour system with 'Shade 39' being the dark shade, 'Storm Blue 39B'being mids, and 'Light39C for highlights'.

Stone 57B is close

Hope that helps

Updated the chart to remove VGC Heavy Gray as a substitute for Mechanicus Standard grey. Figured its better to have nothing, than to have something that would cause someone to purchase something that is not what they expected

A few people miss the old Badab Black wash, which I reckon works better than Nuln Oil.

Anyway, last night I was in Dark Sphere, and they told me that Army Painter have now, essentially, sourced three of the old GW washes, Gryphonne Sepia, Devlan Mud and Badab Black, from the previous manufacturer. The Badab Black equivalent is called Dark Tone.

Hivefleet Oblivion wrote:
A few people miss the old Badab Black wash, which I reckon works better than Nuln Oil.

Anyway, last night I was in Dark Sphere, and they told me that Army Painter have now, essentially, sourced three of the old GW washes, Gryphonne Sepia, Devlan Mud and Badab Black, from the previous manufacturer. The Badab Black equivalent is called Dark Tone.

You can see a comparison I did on this subject here:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/448313.page
in my quest for a devlan mud replacement.

You seem to have established by experimentation what Dark Sphere are saying - that Strong Tone is Devlan mud, rebadged.

The slight difference you noted in flow etc are probabyl sample variation. AS I mentioned, it's only that, Dark TOne and, I'm guessing Soft TOne that are from the old Citadel supplier.

Once I contacted them, army painter told me directly that all three of their tones that I tested are from the same supplier as the old citadel range.

Wow, I didn't know about that thread of yours, lego, until you linked to it above. Why did I bother hoarding my Devlan Mud (I still have 6 or 7 pots). Thanks for the info!

http://www.acrylicosvallejo.com/en_US/media/9b6dfccbbfae4e5ed3129ae75c774bfd.cms/cc070-rev10.pdf

PDF has an equivalency chart for Vallejo Game Colour, Vallejo Model Colour and Reaper Master Series paints to the new Citadel paint line as recommended by Vallejo. Posted a link to the PDF at the bottom of the article but if somebody wants to incorporate it into the chart, be my guest.

Edited the article, mainly to match up some P3 paints.

There are several blog articles on the subject, most of them come to the conclusion that the Army Painter Dark Tone is as near as damn Badab black.

http://gk-workbench.com/?p=12871

http://fromthewarp.blogspot.co.uk/2012/05/devlan-mud-and-badab-black-wash.html

Does anyone know of a conversion chart that include the Badger Minitaire colors?

 Pacific wrote:
There are several blog articles on the subject, most of them come to the conclusion that the Army Painter Dark Tone is as near as damn Badab black.

http://gk-workbench.com/?p=12871

http://fromthewarp.blogspot.co.uk/2012/05/devlan-mud-and-badab-black-wash.html

Actually I'd say that all the quick shade inks are nearly identical to the old GW washes effect-wise.

Is it me, or is the real "Xereus Purple" new-GW closer to the "Imperial Purple" old-GW ?

One thing is sure, it has nothing in common with the "Liche Purple", and I'm having a hard time finding a replacement.

The Vallejo Model "Royal Purple" does *not* match, although it's a bit closer than the new-GW.

Does anyone know of a good resource to help me mix the same shade ? That would be an interesting link to have with the compatibility chart.

It's nice. Very accurate.

 Jburch wrote:
One thing that should be updated on this chart. Mechanicus Standard Grey is nothing like Vallejo Game color Heavy Grey. The VGC color has a green tint to it.

Greys are so annoying, most greys have the slightest hint of blue or purple and many have a slightly reddish or greenish tint which you almost never can pick up on until after you've painted it on a model.

GW legion drab is a fair bit lighter than VMC English uniform and far more accurately matched to US Field Drab. And Deathworld Forest is nothing like VMC middlestone, with Russian Uniform being the closest match in the Model Colur range.

The sad part to me of this otherwise awesome chart is that it really favors moving from Citadel colors to other lines, but not necessarily the other way...

For instance, before the latest changeup of Citadel's paint range (where they introduced the different formulations - Base, Layer, Dry, etc), I had ventured away from using their paints and collected quite a bit of Vallejo Model Color. Now I'm moving back to Citadel because I really like the finish it gives me, among other reasons, but there are certain colors that have been hard to match.

Such as Vallejo Model Color 912 - Tan Yellow. Closest I've come is Balor Brown, but even that isn't right.

Same for Vallejo Model Color 887 - Brown Violet. I'm using Castellan Green, but I'm not exactly happy about it.

Now I know that exact matches are not going to happen, but could we at least put ALL of the Vallejo colors on the chart and leave a blank on the Citadel side, showing where it falls in the spectrum?

I've been in balor brown hell the other way when trying to do airbrushing. As far as I could see, there's no other vallejo colour quite like it. The closest I could get was either Middlestone or Velljo Extra Opaque Heavy Ochre.

Thanks again for this! Stupid, stupid new paint names, so so so stupid...

I wouldn't use them if I had an option in India.

As have said before Wargames Foundry paint ranges make a good compromise on GW both old and new, and ship world wide.

http://www.wargamesfoundry.com/paints/foundry-painting-system/ Foundry paint link

Use them a lot and always happy with consistency ad results, do use some GW for glazes and washes, and Vallejo, but as a paint stock and stable range found cannot beat them.



Google Drive PDF link for anyone who wants to download a list of the paint ranges.
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B3zmQ6SwYdyJaWVuSjFFTnRycnc&usp=sharing