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Well, I can't speak for international stuff and while I enjoy buying stuff cheap from online retailers, I like my LGS to keep its doors open, so I will be buying from them and most likely be getting a 10-20% discount anyhow, given how they do sales and stuff.

As cheap as it already is, a price hike won't faze me too much. Especially since I own pretty much everything Allies can run anyhow.

 Duncan_Idaho wrote:

It's the regional price gouging that I dislike, Duncan. It's not as bad as GW, but it's worse than any other manufacturer/producer.

I prefer it, this way it was interesting for German retailers to again have BF on their shelves. Before the price leveling the did not have a chance competing with UK shops. AUS is the usual exception from the rule. AUS for some reason seems to get higher prices from nearly every company. Could it be possible that some AUs laws make it harder for companies getting stuff to AUS? If it was just 2-3 companies I would not wonder, but it seems nearly veryone does it.

I'd also suggest that PSC vehicles are pretty much better than BF resin, even without the large price discrepancy.

finer detail, but way more difficult to handle for fear of breaking them. BF are quite sturdier.

As I recall, there was a special panel formed by the Australian government to investigate the price gouging and they found the companies were doing it "just because". The prices were set when the AUD was half that of the USD, and the companies refused to lower prices to match exchange rates and lowered shipping.

Probably the most egregious example was Adobe. It's cheaper for Australians to buy a plane ticket to Los Angeles, buy Photoshop there, and fly home than it is to buy a digital copy in Australia.

But I also remember the AUS gov to wonder why Hasbro/Nerf did not bring Nerf-guns to AUS until the gov realized that their own stupid laws prevented them from doing it. Realizing it they did nothing but expected Hasbro to change their products. Problem was that no other nation had problems with the product, not even Germany and our toy laws are very strict.

Such stunts being pulled on a regular basis I can imagine that quite some companies want to make sure they have some extra funds for the next time the AUS gov pulls such a stunt and they have to invest again extra money. Just have a look which computer games are banned in AUS but not the rest of the world....

 Duncan_Idaho wrote:

It's the regional price gouging that I dislike, Duncan. It's not as bad as GW, but it's worse than any other manufacturer/producer.

I prefer it, this way it was interesting for German retailers to again have BF on their shelves. Before the price leveling the did not have a chance competing with UK shops. AUS is the usual exception from the rule. AUS for some reason seems to get higher prices from nearly every company. Could it be possible that some AUs laws make it harder for companies getting stuff to AUS? If it was just 2-3 companies I would not wonder, but it seems nearly veryone does it.

There really isn't. We're simply a market that has historically been isolated. We're on a big fething island in the middle of nowhere and isolated by a great deal of distance from our closest cultural neighbours, aside from NZ who are in the same boat as us.

We used to have an exchange rate that was at about AU$0.65 = US$1 for a period around 18 years ago. Everyone at that stage jacked up their prices to match the new poorer exchange rate, and when the dollar corrected to being worth more than the greenback, importers found that they were making more profit than ever, so why lower prices? The current argument from people like local retailers/distributors to maintain such high prices is that "the dollar will drop again someday, and if it happens suddenly, we'll lose money!"

Now that the internet is here, savvy consumers have decided that they no longer want to be gouged by middlemen, and suddenly the sky is falling. (for retailers)

Oh, and you PREFER regional price gouging?

 Duncan_Idaho wrote:
But I also remember the AUS gov to wonder why Hasbro/Nerf did not bring Nerf-guns to AUS until the gov realized that their own stupid laws prevented them from doing it. Realizing it they did nothing but expected Hasbro to change their products. Problem was that no other nation had problems with the product, not even Germany and our toy laws are very strict.

Such stunts being pulled on a regular basis I can imagine that quite some companies want to make sure they have some extra funds for the next time the AUS gov pulls such a stunt and they have to invest again extra money. Just have a look which computer games are banned in AUS but not the rest of the world....

Straw man there Duncan, and clearly you have no idea of what you're talking about in any detail. I'm not even going to bother to rebut you on that one in any detail. I'll point you to the introduction section of this article, and add that Michael Atkinson, the then-governor of South Australia used his veto powers to block R18+ legislation for the entire country for a significant number of years, as all Australian States had to be in agreement for a change to the classification system.

I've never heard of Nerf guns being banned in Australia, and remember them being sold as far back as when I was a child, which was quite a long time ago now - so unless you can point me to something specific (and article rather than internet hearsay), I'm going to call shenanigans on that one as well.

@Nerf
Just have a look at the maximum distances printed on the boxes going to Australia and some neighbouring states and the rest of the world. NERF was forced to change the springs and air-pressure tubes to be able to sell their stuff in AUS. There are even some AUS Nerf-blogs that discussed this problem.

And the last time I talked to a friend of mine in AUS he was e.g. not able to get a game through the regular channels in AUS every 12 year old can get in my country.

Also some colleagues had problem getting stuff imported in Australia cause they were considered dangerous substances. The funny side being that even the US had no problem with this stuff being imported and they are normally very anal about such stuff.

@price gouging
I prefer prices that are the same in all countries or at least the majority of countries if possible.

I've already explained the game issue. Which game was it, out of interest?

Better mark the date - We're in agreement on something! I also prefer all prices to be the same in all regions. That actually makes it easy for me to decide to buy locally.

For anyone interested, I posted some unboxing vids on Dust-War.com's new YouTube channel. Take a look and let me know what you think, what should be improved, and what you want to see unboxed. Battle Reports and other stuff will be down the road for us, too.



Allies Pelican Unboxing



Allies Heavy Support Walker Unboxing

Battlefront was supposed to take over marketing and sales of Dust on June 1. It is June 9th and I have not heard much from them. The game could use some press or support.

With proper marketing and support this game could be very successful. The figures are pre assembled and primed, so could potentially be sold to a broader audience than most TTWG. Dust works well in FLGSs, as a customer can buy a box and put a unit on the table.

FFG will continue to sell the current range until stocks are delpleted, probably towards the end of this year.

BF will sell the core game and new waves starting to ship in July and add to the range as FFG stock runs out.

BF will take over the website in June so expect to see some new things there.

FFG has events planned in the US over the summer that will continue and we will then take them over from Gencon.

Basically we are working closely with Paolo and FFG so that this transition works on every level as we both want DUST to continue to flourish.

Nothing being made by BF is impacted by this deal as the manufacturing of the range is being handled by Paolo's factory exactly as it has been from the start so the DUST range does not stop us making any tanks or terrain for FOW or any other brand we have.

More information will come out directly on the DUST site but we will keep the community informed through all of our channels.

I imagine you'll hear more when the site/forum switches, and Dust Devils community site is ready in a few weeks

They are taking over, but with products always having lead times it will take some weeks for the outside world to see results.

I just assumed that Battlefront would want to hit the ground running. Websites are an important part of marketing, and I thought that the new site or at least some info would be up June 1.

IM still amazed of the quality and detail of the figs. Games great and the prices are perfect

Arise from the crypt Dust thread!

Operation Achilles announced.

Hopefully someone not stuck with a W8 phone can link the pictures of the new stuff. Also, flying lasers for the Axis ...

 Evil_Toast wrote:
Arise from the crypt Dust thread!

Operation Achilles announced.

Hopefully someone not stuck with a W8 phone can link the pictures of the new stuff. Also, flying lasers for the Axis ...

Hmm. They say anything about Warfare support?

Devil Dogs look good, though the lack of squad alternate seems odd. My brother plays Elite Axis though, so I need to focus on getting more weapons that are good against Infantry 3.

I'm still waiting for those resin infantry models Dust guys were 'considering' over a year ago. Or at least hard plastic versions. Not holding my breath though.

I find the lack of Dust Warfare news deeply disturbing. Frankly, DT isn't a good enough game to keep me involved and up on buying the minis. I'm a Dust Warfare player, and that is pretty definitively (IMO) the REAL Dust game.

The Dust-models site has also been pretty dead, aside from an expensive Hanomag "kitbash" (Using that term loosely as all they did was add in their own guns and give it a funky paint job) they haven't had anything new or noteworthy on display for quite some time now.

Yeah, no Imperial Japan, no new established faction vehicles, no Vk.

I guess the demand just isn't there?

It looks like Battlefront takes after GWs advertising model.

Dust needs some serious support or it will go the way of AT 43.

There are a good number of locals who have the game, but they just do not play it. They need PR or other incentives to pick the game back up.

All of this being said, it is good to see the new releases. The devil dogs look good, and I like the Axis flyer variant. It is also good that they are supporting Dust tactics. I assume that they will continue to support Dust warfare, which is the version that I prefer.

There is more coming out, but give them some time for the transfer.

Well, let's hope those things coming out will have a bit more punch than the flier wave. There hasn't been anything truly news worthy from Dust since the heavy walkers and the SSU has been a major disappointment for most people I know with their bog standard tanks instead of cool mecha.

 His Master's Voice wrote:
Well, let's hope those things coming out will have a bit more punch than the flier wave. There hasn't been anything truly news worthy from Dust since the heavy walkers and the SSU has been a major disappointment for most people I know with their bog standard tanks instead of cool mecha.

SSU? Disappointing? That's not the vibe I've gotten from everyone I know/the internet in general.

~Tim?

Dunno, maybe we know different people.

SSU has literally nothing that interests me, except for the light walkers. Everything else just doesn't do anything for me.

 His Master's Voice wrote:
Dunno, maybe we know different people.

SSU has literally nothing that interests me, except for the light walkers. Everything else just doesn't do anything for me.

Eh, not every army will interest anyone. I'm not a big fan of the Allies, but I know a lot of people that really like them.

~Tim?

Dee Dee is getting the DDI (Organised Play for Dust) website ready and she has posted a really cool preview of some new SSU models.

www.dust-devils.com

Floris wrote:
Dee Dee is getting the DDI (Organised Play for Dust) website ready and she has posted a really cool preview of some new SSU models.

www.dust-devils.com

Holy crap those are nice! My love for the SSU keeps on growing...

~Tim?

Remind me an awful lot of the old AT-43 Red Blok suits or whatever they were called.

Those actually look like something from Dust, so that's cool. Shame they're probably made from the same stuff the other infantry is.

 His Master's Voice wrote:
Those actually look like something from Dust, so that's cool. Shame they're probably made from the same stuff the other infantry is.

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Won't be a problem for me. I have actually started to like the softer plastic that they use for the infantry. Plus it gets pretty sturdy when used to make big, thick things like these walkers.

~Tim?

The Dust Warfare stuff looks amazing.

I just wish that it and a few other games were plagued in my neck of the woods.