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They're using different materials for the vehicle kits. And I wouldn't mind the material they use for infantry if I could strip the primer, but I have yet to find something that actually works on them.

 His Master's Voice wrote:
They're using different materials for the vehicle kits. And I wouldn't mind the material they use for infantry if I could strip the primer, but I have yet to find something that actually works on them.

Oh yeah, I know that - I've been playing/collecting almost since Tactics was launched. I've never had any desire to strip the primer off - actually, I really like the pre-primed, pre-assembled aspect of the game. It lets me get straight to painting.

~Tim?

Just paint over the primer? That´s what a primer is there for anyway.

And yes the suits are very similiar which shouldn´t surprise anyone since AT-43 is the previous incarnation of Dust.

 His Master's Voice wrote:
Dunno, maybe we know different people.

SSU has literally nothing that interests me, except for the light walkers. Everything else just doesn't do anything for me.

Well, at the very least the announcement has "end of the Zverograd cycle" in there, so we should see fewer SSU and more Axis/Allies based around some other theater of war.


Although the entire idea of basing expansions around metaplot is insane. Wargames should be about "your dudes", not some background story the devs are writing.


The lack of "your dudes" is the primary reason I don't play Warmachine.

 Duncan_Idaho wrote:
Just paint over the primer? That´s what a primer is there for anyway.

And yes the suits are very similiar which shouldn´t surprise anyone since AT-43 is the previous incarnation of Dust.

Not quite. They were actually both simultaneously on the market for a period. They both share the same aesthetics of designer Paulo Parente.

Allow me to disagree.....

And the source for this is myself. Since I am/was the German translator for both games I would be really surprised if it would be different.

Paolo was working on the Kryx when AT-43 went belly-up. The Dust universe existed back then in the form of comics and a board game but not as full game. Actually AT-43 is the SF-version of Dust hence the name AT-43 which originally ment Alternate Timeline 1943. Market reaction towards WWII games back then led to the decission that Dust would be first released as a SF game.

After Rackham tanked and took AT-43 and Confrontation with it part of the design team went with Paolo and they put full effort into Dust Tactics, which is actually AT-43 2.0 in WWII. Actually Dust-Earth exists at a point in time of the AT-43 universe.

I will say, I LOVE those SSU preview pics. That has me really excited....

... but i'm not home-brewing Dust Warfare rules, so they had seriously better tell me what they're doing for me as a player.

There will be a rules improvement programm run in the not so far future and quite some original ideas that did not make it into the FFG-version will be revisited .

Can´t say more for the moment.

I take it the massive retcon of the Reich no longer being nazi will remain in place?

Is that...really what is the case in the Dust Universe?!?

This guy was successful in the Dust universe

 Alpharius wrote:
Is that...really what is the case in the Dust Universe?!?

I think having a playable game faction that runs death camps and plan to exterminate every single human being east of Oder is not a good idea when said game faction is in fact a direct copy of a real life organisation that used to run death camps and planned to exterminate every single human being east of Oder.

The things that fly in 40k do not get the same pass in a much more recent context, for obvious reasons.

Yeah, cause that's what I was looking for?

Talk about a WTF?!? moment...

Gah, for feths sake, I am not a fething nazi sympathiser here, thanks for that. You know what, fething forget it.

Yeah, because someone called you a Nazi sympathizer.

Can we have a little perspective here?

I asked the same question on the official Dust Tactics page, and I got this response from Paolo Parente: "NO WAY"

I think the issue is now settled.

~Tim?

What was the question again?

Errr...

In other news, I did find a solution to infantry primer removal. Talens Amsterdam Acrylic Remover. Clean models in 3 minutes. A bit pricey, but sooo worth it. I'm off to buy a bunch of Axis heavy infantry.

 Alpharius wrote:
What was the question again?

The one from BrookM asking if the Axis would go back to being Nazis.

~Tim?

Yeah, it's one thing to play a historically accurate recreation of WW2 and some people get feelings hurt even then. This is supposed to be a fun alternate scifi universe and besides Nazis would be just inappropriate and bad for business really. I like that the coup succeeded in dustverse and that Hitlers death just made Germany a stronger faction prolonging the war to 1947. It maintains my historical suspension of disbelief.

Btw the new Joe and Sigrid are nice. Just wish I didn't have to buy a tactics supplement to get em

fattdex wrote:
This guy was successful in the Dust universe

Tom Cruise?? Holy sciento-logical Batman!

 Duncan_Idaho wrote:
Allow me to disagree.....

And the source for this is myself. Since I am/was the German translator for both games I would be really surprised if it would be different.

Paolo was working on the Kryx when AT-43 went belly-up. The Dust universe existed back then in the form of comics and a board game but not as full game. Actually AT-43 is the SF-version of Dust hence the name AT-43 which originally ment Alternate Timeline 1943. Market reaction towards WWII games back then led to the decission that Dust would be first released as a SF game.

My mistake; I coulda sworn both existed on the market for a period. I am glad AT-43's background was written the way it was, as it's my favorite background for any fictional game.

 Duncan_Idaho wrote:

After Rackham tanked and took AT-43 and Confrontation with it part of the design team went with Paolo and they put full effort into Dust Tactics, which is actually AT-43 2.0 in WWII. Actually Dust-Earth exists at a point in time of the AT-43 universe.

Really? I hope Dust Tactics ruleset isn't really AT-43 2.0. I thought AT-43 had a superb ruleset, and there's many of us who still play it. Conversely, I thought Dust Tactics was not very good. I haven't tried Dust Warfare yet, though.

 Kroothawk wrote:
Tom Cruise?? Holy sciento-logical Batman!

Wait, Tom Cruise and Batman killed Hitler? That sounds like a script of a movie made by a child of Ben Stiller, Will Ferrell and Quentin Tarantino.

 jedi76 wrote:
Yeah, it's one thing to play a historically accurate recreation of WW2 and some people get feelings hurt even then. This is supposed to be a fun alternate scifi universe and besides Nazis would be just inappropriate and bad for business really. I like that the coup succeeded in dustverse and that Hitlers death just made Germany a stronger faction prolonging the war to 1947. It maintains my historical suspension of disbelief.

Btw the new Joe and Sigrid are nice. Just wish I didn't have to buy a tactics supplement to get em

Well, it's not like you can simply just extract Nazi Germany from the German OOB in 1944 - even Germany losing the war under Unconditional Surrender and "de-Nazification" didn't really work, as Party members were everywhere in German society and within the Military. You could remove them from power (as the Military did, at the very end). The various Waffen SS units scattered around the fronts wouldn't likely simply disband, join the Heer or easily accept a renaming, either. Stuff like the zombies, gorillas and so forth are also very Nazi/SS in theme, so you might think of them as being no longer in charge and somewhat marginalised, but still very much a part of the German faction.

Really? I hope Dust Tactics ruleset isn't really AT-43 2.0. I thought AT-43 had a superb ruleset, and there's many of us who still play it. Conversely, I thought Dust Tactics was not very good. I haven't tried Dust Warfare yet, though.

Tactics is the board/TT-hybrid to make it easier to get into the game, warfare is a SST/AT-43 hybrid with some new ideas, so yes, both are AT-43 developed in new directions.

 Azazelx wrote:

 jedi76 wrote:
Yeah, it's one thing to play a historically accurate recreation of WW2 and some people get feelings hurt even then. This is supposed to be a fun alternate scifi universe and besides Nazis would be just inappropriate and bad for business really. I like that the coup succeeded in dustverse and that Hitlers death just made Germany a stronger faction prolonging the war to 1947. It maintains my historical suspension of disbelief.

Btw the new Joe and Sigrid are nice. Just wish I didn't have to buy a tactics supplement to get em

Well, it's not like you can simply just extract Nazi Germany from the German OOB in 1944 - even Germany losing the war under Unconditional Surrender and "de-Nazification" didn't really work, as Party members were everywhere in German society and within the Military. You could remove them from power (as the Military did, at the very end). The various Waffen SS units scattered around the fronts wouldn't likely simply disband, join the Heer or easily accept a renaming, either. Stuff like the zombies, gorillas and so forth are also very Nazi/SS in theme, so you might think of them as being no longer in charge and somewhat marginalised, but still very much a part of the German faction.

Strange i play russians in Dust Tactics (and soon Bolt action, and also before Stalingrad), but no one is offended by that, as stalin with his purges and army killed more people than "Ze Nazi's"

So, for folks itching for some (unofficial) variety for their Warfare games, a lot of stuff is coming out on Dust-War:

New Units:
Reinforcements: Dust Models First Wave
Reinforcements: SSU Zhukov Walker

New Content:
Field Manual: Siege Battle Builder
Field Manual: Three Player Battle Builder

Also, loads of articles - including a new Tactica series, in addition to my usual Theorycrafting and whatnot.

And, for folks losing hope for Warfare - don't! A lot of good stuff is coming out soon and there is a lot left to look forward to. With the Zverograd cycle ending, who knows what is next! Might find ourselves in the Pacific or in North Africa, etc. And for anyone tired of bendy plastics, the quality has improved greatly as of the last release and most of it is much more firm and the detail has increased significantly!

 Jehan-reznor wrote:

Strange i play russians in Dust Tactics (and soon Bolt action, and also before Stalingrad), but no one is offended by that, as stalin with his purges and army killed more people than "Ze Nazi's"

It's just one of those funny old things, innit? Though there are certain people who do very much hate the Red Star/Hammer & Sickle, like my friend's mother who hails from the former Yugoslavia with a Hungarian Background...

 jedi76 wrote:
Yeah, it's one thing to play a historically accurate recreation of WW2 and some people get feelings hurt even then. This is supposed to be a fun alternate scifi universe and besides Nazis would be just inappropriate and bad for business really. I like that the coup succeeded in dustverse and that Hitlers death just made Germany a stronger faction prolonging the war to 1947. It maintains my historical suspension of disbelief.

Btw the new Joe and Sigrid are nice. Just wish I didn't have to buy a tactics supplement to get em

Actually, that's a good point. Hitler was a crap leader; he encouraged so much competition between wings of the Nazi government and military that it only impeded the Nazi military progress. Because of that, I'd have a hard time accepting the idea that Hitler could keep the Nazi regime strong into the late 1940s.

~Tim?

 Duncan_Idaho wrote:

Really? I hope Dust Tactics ruleset isn't really AT-43 2.0. I thought AT-43 had a superb ruleset, and there's many of us who still play it. Conversely, I thought Dust Tactics was not very good. I haven't tried Dust Warfare yet, though.

Tactics is the board/TT-hybrid to make it easier to get into the game, warfare is a SST/AT-43 hybrid with some new ideas, so yes, both are AT-43 developed in new directions.

Does it use the same range and auto-miss/hit/wound mechanic as AT-43? That's one of my favorite aspects of AT-43, the surety of movement/firing.