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Welp, part 1 of my big pre-BF-price-rise panic purchase just arrived!

Op Icarus
Op Hades
Op Cyclone
Op SeeLowe
Op Zverograd
Dust Warfare Book
DW Hades
DW Zverograd
2x Brit Commandoes
4x Naz... erm, Axis Zombies

Does it use the same range and auto-miss/hit/wound mechanic as AT-43? That's one of my favorite aspects of AT-43, the surety of movement/firing.

A system derived from it, but not identical. AT-weapons degraded with distance Dust do not, but both have ranges. Dust is more realistic in the assumption that WWII weapons over the distances that are normal for TT-fights do not degrade much, so it puts the focus on the armor. Depending on the armor the shot gets weaker. Every unit got a table on its stat-card where you can easily read the lines and rows for the unit and weapon in question.

Dust uses dice that hav only two different side. 4 miss-sides and 2 hit-sides. You roll a number of dice for hits and then every hit side counts as damage point (depending on the weapon).

Works mighty fine and depicts WWII fights quite nice.

 Jehan-reznor wrote:
Strange i play russians in Dust Tactics (and soon Bolt action, and also before Stalingrad), but no one is offended by that, as stalin with his purges and army killed more people than "Ze Nazi's"

Well, Soviets won, Nazis lost. That's how this works, unfortunately.

 Duncan_Idaho wrote:

Does it use the same range and auto-miss/hit/wound mechanic as AT-43? That's one of my favorite aspects of AT-43, the surety of movement/firing.

A system derived from it, but not identical. AT-weapons degraded with distance Dust do not, but both have ranges. Dust is more realistic in the assumption that WWII weapons over the distances that are normal for TT-fights do not degrade much, so it puts the focus on the armor. Depending on the armor the shot gets weaker. Every unit got a table on its stat-card where you can easily read the lines and rows for the unit and weapon in question.

Dust uses dice that hav only two different side. 4 miss-sides and 2 hit-sides. You roll a number of dice for hits and then every hit side counts as damage point (depending on the weapon).

Works mighty fine and depicts WWII fights quite nice.

Yeah, that's quite a bit different. I love certain tactical decisions in AT-43; do my Steel Tacarms shoot their laser guns at this squad of 6 assault golems that is close enough that they will auto hit (and auto kill), or do I take my chances with say, a Hekat overseer that hasn't gone yet that I know will be running 50cm at something important but is farther away and has greater armor so I actually have to roll to hit and roll for damage and hopefully destroy it (or damage it enough so that a single repair routine won't put it back into action), haha. Well, very off-topic at this point, but now I want to schedule an AT-43 game with one of our half dozen local players...

New article on the Red Tornado squad

http://www.gf9.com/Default.aspx?tabid=348&art_id=3974



Ouch!

Wow, aside from that slit that they're looking through, I like them a lot! It's been ages since I felt that way about Dust minis.

Isn't this also the first type 4 infantry unit out there? I could be wrong, been ages since I last saw stat cards.

Setting aside the silliness of walkers in general, the thing that I don;t like about them is the "mech arms and hands" of them, when it would be much more efficient, quick and easy (Soviet strengths) to simply mount the weapons on the mechs directly.

Especially so since there's clearly no Iron Man/Apache Gunship style targeting HUD in the suits - I actually like the slit and pull-down canopy - a good reminder that these things are simply made of cast iron armour and such in the 1940s just like the tanks of the era.

It does give off a weird mixed vibe of the usual "soviets are low-tech" paired with those techy arms when you put it like that. Maybe they're just winging it and spraying everything they can see?

Fluff wise, the Steel Guards are war veterans who have had limbs amputated but wish to continue to fight at the front, so the suits serve as armoured prosthetics too (They also get a 'Steel Glove' punch out of having the robo arms for ditching the gun and close quarter fighting)

 BrookM wrote:
Wow, aside from that slit that they're looking through, I like them a lot! It's been ages since I felt that way about Dust minis.

Isn't this also the first type 4 infantry unit out there? I could be wrong, been ages since I last saw stat cards.

There were a couple Type 4 "superheroes" in one of the Zverograd expansions I believe.

The waldo arms are likely to help as well in case they fall down, grab a large rock or boulder, tank or whatever is sitting nearby and help pull themselves up. Apparently by the "Steel Glove" entry, also a close combat fighting move

fattdex wrote:
Fluff wise, the Steel Guards are war veterans who have had limbs amputated but wish to continue to fight at the front, so the suits serve as armoured prosthetics too (They also get a 'Steel Glove' punch out of having the robo arms for ditching the gun and close quarter fighting)

Huh, and there I was thinking that the suits looked like they had enough space for their arms to be inside the body-shell. I wonder who forgot to close that one guy's hatch though!

Auto Hits and Auto Kills?

That doesn't sound fun to me...

Good catch, that does make it quite lethal. It's not auto-hits though, just auto-kill, unless I'm mistaken. It's been a long time since I cracked open my box of Tactics.

You still need to hit to kill, but it kills more than usual.

Oh fiddlesticks I know now in my heart that im starting a new faction now. I love these guys, so characterful!

I like the how the heavy shotguns are more powerful at close range than at longer range. It's a nice touch of realism.

~Tim?

When I look at these, and other heavy infantry, it makes think there's really no place for level 1 infantry unless they're manning indirect artillery weapons. They're shredded when someone so much as looks at them.

 Moopy wrote:
When I look at these, and other heavy infantry, it makes think there's really no place for level 1 infantry unless they're manning indirect artillery weapons. They're shredded when someone so much as looks at them.

I don't think there are any Infantry 1s in the game. Even the Chinese conscripts were I2.

I think the Marine weapon teams are S1.

Yep. When I looked at the marines I thought, "Well, I guess I don't need these 15 points..." Honestly? 5 pts would have been better for S1

 Moopy wrote:
When I look at these, and other heavy infantry, it makes think there's really no place for level 1 infantry unless they're manning indirect artillery weapons. They're shredded when someone so much as looks at them.

Well, unless they are in Hard Cover with Entrench, meaning they get +3 successes on top of their 1 Combat Die for armor. Not too shabby, imo.

Then again, my Choppers never live past the Air Drop turn anyhow, but that hardly matters after they deliver their 30+ dice on enemies within 6".


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And these look pretty sick!

Those ruskie thrashcans look spiffy, i want them for sure, now to check up , for some russian trashcan markings just for fun.

Now I'm really glad I dropped Allies in favor of SSU! These armored units are hitting all my aesthetic sweet spots.

~Tim?

This just got posted up on GF9. Hoping it costs as much as a Medium Walker or at most a Heavy. I want at least one! Comes with some neat fiddly bits, too!

30 w/o gun 53 with gun.

Anyone have release dates for the operation Achilles stuff?

So far looks like operation Achilles is a winner. New joe and sigrid look pretty cool. Much improved on the old ones. Luftwaffe pilot will be good for an objective marker at the very least

Can't wait to make a SSU platoon of steel cans!
And gotta get an axis fortification for my Long Tom 2 to blast into!
The gorillas with jackhammers just make me laugh though.

 Duncan_Idaho wrote:


A system derived from it, but not identical. AT-weapons degraded with distance Dust do not, but both have ranges. Dust is more realistic in the assumption that WWII weapons over the distances that are normal for TT-fights do not degrade much, so it puts the focus on the armor. Depending on the armor the shot gets weaker. Every unit got a table on its stat-card where you can easily read the lines and rows for the unit and weapon in question.

Note that you're Describing Dust Tactics. Warfare has absurdly short ranges, and requires you to buy $20 expansion books to get the single page of new units for your army.

RogueRegault wrote:

 Duncan_Idaho wrote:


A system derived from it, but not identical. AT-weapons degraded with distance Dust do not, but both have ranges. Dust is more realistic in the assumption that WWII weapons over the distances that are normal for TT-fights do not degrade much, so it puts the focus on the armor. Depending on the armor the shot gets weaker. Every unit got a table on its stat-card where you can easily read the lines and rows for the unit and weapon in question.

Note that you're Describing Dust Tactics. Warfare has absurdly short ranges, and requires you to buy $20 expansion books to get the single page of new units for your army.

And new special rules, fluff, scenarios, and other goodies. Plus the expansion books (which are only $12 from Miniaturemarket) can be shared among friends as they have rules for all the new figs from each faction in the one book. And you can get the rules for the new units for free - there's a big fandriven database of really nice, detailed unit cards for Warfare, and the project is endorsed by Dust Studios.

Funnily, I've always felt that ranges are way too short in Tactics. Range 1 for Shotguns/Flamethrowers, for instance. Still, the ranges in Warfare are short, which is IMO inevitable, considering that the standard board size is 4x4.

~Tim?

Link to the unit cards for warfare? Im interested,