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I'll give you the breadknives. Aside from a shotgun, what would make a good close quarters weapon? I know a guy on the DFG forums keeps asking for those.

Looking at the concept art and the render, I think I somehow see the arm things. I hope there is still time for those to be somewhat corrected.

The fat roll, heck, we all have it, we should feel right at home. ;-)

Mathieu Raymond wrote:The fat roll, heck, we all have it, we should feel right at home. ;-)

Finally! Power Armor/Exosuits for Gamers! None of that Adonis Sculpted Breastplate (with nipples) here!

Mathieu Raymond wrote:I'll give you the breadknives. Aside from a shotgun, what would make a good close quarters weapon?

As I've said before, if a hardsuit is going to have a CCW, it should be one that plays to its strengths. The UAMC hardsuit is heavily built with poor dexterity, so give it something like a prybar or an ice axe - something you can use to simply smash obstacles and enemies. The current weapon isn't going to survive more than a single hit.

So, on their facebook page they've posted there's also a new edge force about to be released. The Aleutian Swamp worm (yes that is what they're calling it) I'm guessing this was the edge force they were hinting about on the forums a few weeks ago. Apparently, we'll be seeing painted plastics in a week.

Which means they'll be out sometime next year probably

At least they aren't zombies. Still not a real force, though. One animal was okay, so you could have your Marines ride in and save the colonists from a Bug attack, but adding a second so soon is just redundant. They don't have the brains to be a compelling protagonist, and they don't have the technology to be a credible threat without the rules writer cheating in their favour.

People are really quite good at killing animals - we've hunted species to extinction by accident armed with little more than sharp sticks. Stick us on a new world where we don't have to worry about the ecological impact with something stupid enough to pick a fight, and we're more than capable of exterminating the entire species.

True that, Alex. I'd have much rather preferred an intelligence-capable species (to differentiate them from humans), which could have grown not into a core set, but at least something else than a biosphere set.

Some kind of pneumatic hammer (more like a jackhammer than a proper hammer) would make sense, if they are meant to crack fortifications. A buzzsaw to slice through bulkheads for ship-to-ship combat?

AlexHolker wrote:At least they aren't zombies. Still not a real force, though. One animal was okay, so you could have your Marines ride in and save the colonists from a Bug attack, but adding a second so soon is just redundant. They don't have the brains to be a compelling protagonist, and they don't have the technology to be a credible threat without the rules writer cheating in their favour.

People are really quite good at killing animals - we've hunted species to extinction by accident armed with little more than sharp sticks. Stick us on a new world where we don't have to worry about the ecological impact with something stupid enough to pick a fight, and we're more than capable of exterminating the entire species.

Second? Are you counting the bugs as the first animal? Because they're meant to be a much more threatening force like the tyranids or the zerg, not some local insect. Supposedly hudsons bugs are all over the galaxy

MrMoustaffa wrote:Second? Are you counting the bugs as the first animal? Because they're meant to be a much more threatening force like the tyranids or the zerg, not some local insect. Supposedly hudsons bugs are all over the galaxy

They're fine as an invasive species writ large, remarkable for their tenacity, but they can't pass as an existential threat like the Tyranids. Nor should they, because a lack of motivation is pretty much the only reason not to jump straight to total war, with humanity setting aside its petty differences in favour of unmaking the Bug menace.

In the current timeline, the Bugs are regarded as nothing more than a particularly annoying pest. The damned things are everywhere and they're a serious threat to the under-armed and unprepared, but not to a military force with some decent backup. However, there are also technologically advanced Bugs capable of posing a real threat to a human military force. According to Tony, the Bugs are not a natural species -- someone out there engineered them and armed them, and the Bugs humanity has encountered are just the first wave.

Tony's posted some concept art of a German walker, planned as a 2 for $30 release. For IG players, that's two Sentinels for the price of one.

link

Xeno wrote:In the current timeline, the Bugs are regarded as nothing more than a particularly annoying pest. The damned things are everywhere and they're a serious threat to the under-armed and unprepared, but not to a military force with some decent backup. However, there are also technologically advanced Bugs capable of posing a real threat to a human military force. According to Tony, the Bugs are not a natural species -- someone out there engineered them and armed them, and the Bugs humanity has encountered are just the first wave.

And I still don't like that idea. I'd rather see a six-limbed, tauric race wearing hard plate armour (like Stormtroopers wear in Star Wars) that is reminiscent of a "Tech Bug" look than just straight "Tech Bugs".

Looks neat

But I would really wish some of the current things would be out now instead of more previews for more things. Do we even have art for Heavy Weapons?

No, no art for Heavy Weapons, or Command group, as well as no renders of female marines. There was art for an all-female unit of hardsuits, as a edge set, but haven't heard from them in a while.

September, supposedly. Which might mean, which do I prefer: finally revamping my IG completely, or completing my dark angels company and adding to my chaos army?

MrMoustaffa wrote:So, on their facebook page they've posted there's also a new edge force about to be released. The Aleutian Swamp worm (yes that is what they're calling it) I'm guessing this was the edge force they were hinting about on the forums a few weeks ago. Apparently, we'll be seeing painted plastics in a week.

Which means they'll be out sometime next year probably

I am really looking forward to this release. I wonder if some hentai fans will be happy as well.

kenshin620 wrote:Looks neat

But I would really wish some of the current things would be out now instead of more previews for more things. Do we even have art for Heavy Weapons?

They posted the USMC machinegun on facebook a few months back:



and the USMC missile launcher was posted on the old forum before it disintegrated, though I neglected to save the picture. I'll see if I can get them to repost the image.


Oh, and the German heavy weapon pic I've posted before:

The walker concept looks great (very flyingdebris style) but since everyone at Defiance wears clownshoes I guess I shouldn't expect it before 2015.

The Heer they have on the front page looks absolutely terrible (seriously, what happened to his legs?!) but other pics make them look pretty darn good!

AlexHolker wrote:
And I still don't like that idea. I'd rather see a six-limbed, tauric race wearing hard plate armour (like Stormtroopers wear in Star Wars) that is reminiscent of a "Tech Bug" look than just straight "Tech Bugs".

I suspect you're in the minority, then.


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A higher res shot of the hardsuit, probably the finished model or close to it.

Yep, arms are a bit too high, though that seems to be pretty much standard on most powered armor miniatures I've seen.

I do like that

(but could not live with the electric carving knives, but they should be simple to ditch)

Xeno wrote:

Yep, arms are a bit too high, though that seems to be pretty much standard on most powered armor miniatures I've seen.

Yeah, I don`t know why model designers think that as soon as you go into powered armour your arms become dislocated from their shoulder sockets.

Dawnbringer wrote:

Xeno wrote:

Yep, arms are a bit too high, though that seems to be pretty much standard on most powered armor miniatures I've seen.

Yeah, I don`t know why model designers think that as soon as you go into powered armour your arms become dislocated from their shoulder sockets.

Cant be sure for this one but don't most of the mech suits like this have you in a squeezy position with little hand controls in the egg shape?



If it was this way, you would need the arms higher up so that their motivators wouldnt be fighting for space with the upper torso, just the head.

I'm assuming it'll work like that, but . . . *shrug* I dunno.

Why does that suit look so familiar?

I've seen some cartoons or something with those types of suits someplace, but can't place them.

Exosquad or something, I thinks.....


Do these guys stack up well with the Starship trooper guys from Mongoose?

It's very similar to a line of vehicles and suits that appeared in kits under the names Maschinen Krieger
and SF3D.


I don't know all the details, but they're a really cool series of kits, though they tend to be a bit expensive as they aren't as cheap as they used to be and some are OOP.

I don't have any use (yet) for the other DG releases, but I'm pretty excited about this one and will likely be buying a box.

It's also a great kit for those looking to do classic Starship troopers or Battletech Battle armor in 28mm.

Eilif wrote:It's very similar to a line of vehicles and suits that appeared in kits under the names Maschinen Krieger
and SF3D.

I think it is obvious that this specific model was the "inspiration" for the Defiance games model. Maschinenkrieger is for alternative WW2 design what Star Wars is for SciFi.

I totally agree.

I'm just really stoked to be able to get 8 MAK suits in 28mm for a fraction of what they'd cost any other way.

I'm also pleased with the slightly more modern edge that the DG design has without changing the profile too much.

These will be useful to me! I wish they would show us the guns though. If it has mini guns and missile pods like the art then I'm all in for a couple boxes!

jedi76 wrote:These will be useful to me! I wish they would show us the guns though. If it has mini guns and missile pods like the art then I'm all in for a couple boxes!

Patience, young padawan. September is nigh.

Depending on the final look and reviews from fellow Dakkanauts those Herr are looking more and more like my Stormtrooper counts as.

Xeno wrote:

AlexHolker wrote:
And I still don't like that idea. I'd rather see a six-limbed, tauric race wearing hard plate armour (like Stormtroopers wear in Star Wars) that is reminiscent of a "Tech Bug" look than just straight "Tech Bugs".

I suspect you're in the minority, then.


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A higher res shot of the hardsuit, probably the finished model or close to it.

Yep, arms are a bit too high, though that seems to be pretty much standard on most powered armor miniatures I've seen.

I would buy this. Several times over. I care little for what I've seen from defiance outside of this so far, but this... oh boy... it causes quite the stirring.

KalashnikovMarine wrote:Depending on the final look and reviews from fellow Dakkanauts those Herr are looking more and more like my Stormtrooper counts as.

Same here. I've already bought my meltaguns and have them ready. Just waiting on DFG to start selling them. Stormtroopers that don't cost almost $50 for a single squad? I'll take 30.

I second that. I think they have potential enough to be used as veterans as well, if one turns them into grenadiers. That would make for quite a bit of carapace armour.