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Another quickie photoshop chop job. The German looks a bit larger than the silhouette in this side by side, but he should actually be pretty close to what the human would be under the combat gear. Now, they're digital, so defiance can always change the size to be larger if they decide to, but based on the concept art I'd say that the metal terminator size is about spot-on. And like the metal terminators, you could probably fit these on either 25mm or 40mm bases and not have them look too out of place.

Dead link

sad panda if they are that small

(especially at 8 per box, compared to however many troopers)

But since all the pre-order bugs don't seem to have shipped yet, i'd be waiting for them to hit retail anyway

They're a bit bigger than that though if what I've heard is true.

For example, the operator's arms do not leave the main "shell" of the body. That image is incorrect. Their arms are tucked into the main suit last I heard. If that's so, these things must be at least a bit bigger for the operator's arms to fit in.

Yes, the new fluff confirms the arms stay in the egg, not the arms.

It is getting late for an update on something else but swamp snakes, no?

Hrm, not sure how I feel about that. I was initially expecting larger suits, maybe about the size of the plastic terminators or slightly smaller than Tau crisis suits. but after doing the mock-up using the concept art, I'm rather fond of the smaller suits. They'd make great not-stealth suits for a not-tau army at that size. Hopefully we get an update soon, Defiance's schedule is killing me!

Yes, I hope no one was holding their breath. My CPR card expired many years ago. And I just woke up, so you know what that means

Bugs are shipping now

 Necros wrote:
Bugs are shipping now

Weren't they shipping a month ago though?

 MrMoustaffa wrote:

 Necros wrote:
Bugs are shipping now

Weren't they shipping a month ago though?

They were "shipping"

What that means is a bit subjective I suppose

And here I was hoping that he would edit to say "Panzergrenadiers" instead of bugs.

Only 10 days left until the grenadiers miss their ship date!

On a more serious note, have any decent quality photos of the final production figures? Most of what has appeared so far is either too dark or blurry to pass judgement on quality.

No, but from the shots we saw, I would say that all of them need filing at the bottom of the torso, to have them look a little less fey. Those were some tiny waists.

...And we have until May 2013. If DreamForge doesn't screw up and those female eisenkern are any good, I am switching my aim to them. My platoons will not fill themselves with female models.

Apparently, Mark (DreamForge) has a history of quality products too.

Defiance, your move?

 Xeno wrote:


http://www.defiancegames.com/index.php/news/item/just-bugging-you

First shot of a packed Bug box. Since they're using "restic" instead of polystyrene sprues the pieces come on "mini-sprues."

By the way, the word I've heard about the Bugs is that polystyrene glue will NOT work on them; you'll need super glue.

It may be like the Starship Trooper models; hard ABS plastic. You may be able to get away with using an ABS capable glue like or Tenax 7R or Plastruct Plastic Weld.

I'm not looking forward to using superglue because models shatter like a bomb if you drop them.

--Chris
www.chrisvalera.com


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 AlexHolker wrote:
Tony's posted some concept art of a German walker, planned as a 2 for $30 release. For IG players, that's two Sentinels for the price of one.

link

Oh wow, these are very nice. Like a mini-Battletech figure for a very reasonable price.

--Chris
www.chrisvalera .com


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 Xeno wrote:
Despite its flaws (mainly the bases) I like this set. Of course, I'm biased, but I do think they stand up well, especially for the price. The casting is a little uneven (as is the color -- they apparently used several different shades of gray during manufacturing runs) but I think the sculpts are good and, along with the variety of parts, lend themselves well to creating a flailing, ripping, screeching mass of chitinous horrors. They are easy enough to put together and lend themselves well to speed painting. Priming, base-coating, and dry-brushing should produce an acceptable force in a relatively short time.

These are terrible figures. The casting quality is borderline unacceptable, and the bases are wholly unacceptable. They're barely better than fan-cast quality. After seeing how good the marines were, I was looking forward to seeing a good sprue of Hudson's Bugs. Not now. These are barely more than fan models.

 chris_valera wrote:
It may be like the Starship Trooper models; hard ABS plastic. You may be able to get away with using an ABS capable glue like or Tenax 7R or Plastruct Plastic Weld.

Trollforged Ed mentioned earlier in the year that he'd finalised two main recipes for his use. One contained HIPS and resin and could be solvent-welded with polystyrene cement. The other contained ABS and resin and couldn't, but was easier to cast. Defiance Tony has said that the recipe Ed gave them is completely new but it still may be ABS-based, so it's worth a shot.

These are terrible figures. The casting quality is borderline unacceptable, and the bases are wholly unacceptable. They're barely better than fan-cast quality. After seeing how good the marines were, I was looking forward to seeing a good sprue of Hudson's Bugs. Not now. These are barely more than fan models.

What's so bad about the casting, bases aside? On the Bugs, the minor fit issues are easily corrected and the voids are restricted to the pour blocks; not a good look but of no consequence to the finished models. On the Panzergrenadieren, the detail was a little soft on the CAD sculpts to begin with; the clearest photos show it replicated faithfully enough, they're just swamped beneath all the tiny, out-of-focus, glare-ridden ones make that them look half-melted.

So did the germans ship yesterday? If they did, I'll order a box. If they didn't, that may well be the final straw for most people that were looking at this company for models...

I thought the deadline was today? Although, a few weeks more, who's going to count, really?

If it is *exactly* the stuff you're looking for, then you'll wait. I wanted those eggs, man. So much cooler than Ogryns...

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
I thought the deadline was today? Although, a few weeks more, who's going to count, really?

If it is *exactly* the stuff you're looking for, then you'll wait. I wanted those eggs, man. So much cooler than Ogryns...

Oh yeah I know, I'm just curious.

That dreamforge thing kinda tapped me out cashwise for the time being, but if the panzergrenadiers will start shipping soon I may order a box soon just because I really need some IG stormtroopers

I know it's different in the mini world than other products' marketing, where momentum and constant barrage of info is not as important, but I really feel like Defiance got some wind stolen out of their sails (and sales) by those KS.

Tony, how about a KS to fund a faster turnaround?

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
I know it's different in the mini world than other products' marketing, where momentum and constant barrage of info is not as important, but I really feel like Defiance got some wind stolen out of their sails (and sales) by those KS.

Tony, how about a KS to fund a faster turnaround?

No kidding, it took the wind out of pretty much everything. I wouldn't be surprised if the chaos release hurts a bit just because everyone spent their cash on kickstarter

that would be a good thing, imho. For the wrong reasons, but a good thing. If those models undersell, I'll be happy. I just don't like them.

 chris_valera wrote:

 Xeno wrote:


By the way, the word I've heard about the Bugs is that polystyrene glue will NOT work on them; you'll need super glue.

It may be like the Starship Trooper models; hard ABS plastic. You may be able to get away with using an ABS capable glue like or Tenax 7R or Plastruct Plastic Weld.

I'm not looking forward to using superglue because models shatter like a bomb if you drop them.

--Chris

This isn't an issue if you use the correct kind of superglue. For models where shattering apart (due to small connections or heavy parts) is a concern you need a rubberized superglue. Rubberized Cyanoacrylates have more shock resistance than regular superglues. I've switched to rubberized superglues for almost all places where I use a gel-consistency superglue.

Your local hobby shop might carry the BSI glues (they often have the stores name stamped on the front) The Instaflex+ and IC2000 glues are rubberized and shock resistant.




If they don't have BSI glues, then Gorilla "Impact Tough" rubberized superglue is available at most hardware stores.

http://www.gorillatough.com/index.php?page=super-glue

Any of these glues will make it much less likely that the model will break apart at the glue points if dropped or impacted.

That is sweet! I bought a tub (yes, not a single tube) of superglue from Udisco (they call it Atomic glue) and can't seem to make a dent in the quantity so far. Although I haven't had to complain about the strength of the bond yet, extra assurance is always good.

Germans apparently are finally shipping as of the 29th last month

Yes, his update on his forums was a bit of a mixed bag of apology and hype for the upcoming releases. The bugs seem to be a major roadblock for them, at least compared to the Germans. The swamp snakes will be out next monday, technically, and then we can move on to... dare I say it... hardsuits?

So... anybody go ahead and take the plunge? Interested to see some pictures from customers, if the grenadiers are actually shipping already.

I was planning on getting the PZG as stormtroopers, but I splurged on Dreamforge's strumtruppen instead. I want to wait until the hardsuits and the female UAMC marines are out before I finish getting my infantry, make it one big purchase and save on shipping.

well, my debit card got lost, or else I was literally just about to buy a set.

I'll have to wait for a new card to come in before I can make an order, but I'll be sure to let you guys know when I place the order and when the minis show up.

2 days and we can go about our business as usual! rofl