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 agnosto wrote:
Oh, this trainwreck again. I can't believe people still give these jokers their money; it's like throwing it away.

I was going to buy a heap of Marines when they were first released but didn't when they were still preorder and the website said they were in stock. If you can't be bothered to keep your information straight, I can't be bothered to give you my money...and I'm now most certainly glad I didn't.

I agree with Chris in that Wargames Factory seems to be doing much better now without Tony than it ever did with him (witness the partnership with Dreamforge) which is another strike against Tony considering he can't even supply people with product they pay for.

See guys, it's not all facebook snippiness and harping on about zombies, we really do have a point here.

--Chris
www.chrisvalera.com

 Eilif wrote:

 AlexHolker wrote:
Looking at their latest photo, I think the vehicle could have done with being 10%-20% larger, but it's still damn good compared to the rest of their stuff.

As you say, it could be larger for greater visual impact. I like my sci-fi vehicles BIG.

Still, it's perfectly in scale for a 28mm vehicle. The Defiance model looks to be a bit taller, but a touch narrower than a standard Hummer.

I disagree... my first thought was actually the old 40k ork trucks. It's too small / looks out of scale, imo...

 RiTides wrote:
I disagree... my first thought was actually the old 40k ork trucks. It's too small / looks out of scale, imo...

Meh, it seems wargamers' sense of scale is just fethed due to all kinds of heroic scale stuff... I mean, whenever I'm converting something, think the weapons look *way* too small (let's just say I'm... kitbashing across a bunch of ranges atm) and actually measure stuff to scale up the weapon to IRL sizes, see what it would correspond with, turns out the weapon in question usually still is too big. Vehicles are no different. the stuff being sold as 15mm gaming vehicles seems to jive best with 1/72 scale models in my experience - it should scale with 1/107 to be 'to scale' with the infantry. same thing here. I really think that car is quite okay. I mean, the roof reaches up to the head of the unhelmeted figure. how many cars do you know that do that? short of a hummer nothing really even reaches to my nose, usually (okay, I'm not exactly small but still... and of course the larger wheels/tires on such vehicles will account for some of this!) and although it's kinda hard to tell with this pic, it seems the vehicle scales to over five metres - which isn't all that small either. Remember: it's NOT supposed to be some friggin' MBT or whatever - it's an armoured patrol vehicle. four-seater, gun on top but that's it. Really, if they can get this into distribution, looking decently well cast and at competitive pricing, I'd pick up a couple in a heartbeat. dunno what for yet, but it just finally seems "right" for a change. (and really, go pick up some 1/56 figures of such vehicles from revel or sth like that - they look positively puny next to your heroic scale stuff too!)

Not that I like defending DFG - it's kind of leaving a sour taste actually, but that vehicle looks fine to me, after some consideration.

the model..but it looks a lot like this..not that its a bad thing.



And if you take the height of the bases of the infantry models show with the defiance vehicle , its a fairly beefy sized transport.

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Yeah I think this is going beyond pointing out their flaws, and more about someone getting their jollies off trolling people over the internet. You need to grow up a bit Chris.

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 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Maybe. But I just noticed the pink blob on the front... thingy at the bottom. Is that the mould already degrading?

Um ..... Yes! That pink blob on the front bumper is most certainly a piece of the mould material. I personally like the design, and if I hadn't gone for 3 of DFGs APCs, I would probably have wanted to go for something like this. If anyone is actually thinking of going for this one, I'd suggest you not leave it long as the earlier ones will undoubtedly be better than later ones - until they re-make a mould that is.

They are also, unfortunately, not the only company that has this sort of problem when making moulds though, so I'm not going to diss them for that and I have seen a LOT worse resin castings in my time. I've had problems ranging from prolific air bubbles in a resin SD "Robocop", lack of instructions and warped biscuit resin in a Japanese car kit, to complete lack of knowledge of the subject leading to innacuracies in a 1:1 scale resin weapon replica, to a completely innacurate Star Trek shuttle - not even proportionally correct. So this little piece of mould material is not terrible, providing the producer has noticed and done something about it!

As a side note, his website in his sig brings up a malware warning in Avast antivirus so don't go there.

feth this trolling. I come to this thread to see news on Defiance, not Valera's cries for attention.

Just a little thing about the scale of the vehicle with the minis in the picture, I don't know if everyone has had the "pleasure" of holding one in their hands, but they are a bit smaller. I wouldn't call them heroic. Maybe not true scale, but the proportions were closer to 28mm than 32mm. A Space Marine definitely feels beefy next to them.

The UAMC are pretty much the same size as Wargames Factory's plastic WW2 soldiers, or close enough that you can swap heads without much problem. I still think they are the best near-modern sci fi plastics around. I use them as SGC teams.

At this point, can we please stick to actual news and rumors about this company and their product, and leave all the other stuff to all those other sites?

Thanks!

The vehicle's scale looks fine imo. Looking at the size of the bases on the minis makes the truck look like it should be too small, but it is the correct scale.

If I could trust these guys to actually make a release, I'd probably order a few for RPG's or scenery in games. But I felt burned by the German release.

Okay, so I finally got my German Panzer grenadiers yesterday. Where to start? I suppose on the qc. Overall, the quality of my sculpts were alright. Not too many air bubbles or missing chunks, though I spotted a few small ones. I think the biggest issue with the sculpted on the guys I received is that their guns are bent and there's flash and mold lines. There were maybe one or two bodies that were slightly misaligned. Annoying, but more or less fixable. None of my guys were mangled like some of the examples that showed up in here though. I think Defiance may have gotten the shrinkage issue sorted out though. My guys seem to be in scale with my other True-scale 28mm figures. Now, the biggest issue I have with these figures is the material they're made out of. This is some sort of restic, isn't it? The "plastic" feels really weird. It's hard to describe. The best way I could describe it would be soapy. It has this odd, slightly slick,oily, soapy feel to it. I assumed this was mold release on the figures so I dunked them in Simple Green and scrubbed a couple down with warm and cold water. One of the ones, which was a kill marker felt kind of normal after that, but the other, a regular standing trooper still had that soapy feel to him. For some reason my super glue just did not want to bond with this material when I tried to glue his head on. His arms glued to the torso just fine though and his feet glued to the base without any problem, so I don't know what the deal was there. Lastly, I think quite possibly the biggest fault I have with these figures is that the sculptor was just a little too ambitious for the scale and the material. There's a lot of detail that seems to have been lost when they cast them in whatever material that is. It's kind of odd because the freebie gunner figure seems to be made with a slightly different mixture. He's using a much darker plastic and has a much crisper mold. A lot more of the detailing is present on him and is way more crisp than on the rank & file.

I think if they refined this just a bit more or ditched the restic for regular hard plastic these could actually be pretty nice figures. As it is, they're okay. You do get a lot for your money though, which is nice. I just wish Defiance had a more reliable timetable. I'm not sure if I'd get any more of their restic, but I'd absolutely like to get their UAMC Marines.

Sorry to see the amount of drama from this poor company and its customers.

I looked at them quite a bit for alternate Imperial Guard. Not a fan of the WGF trenchers. Wanted to like the Germans from DFG, but something was slightly off by them.However, after I got wind of the issues I just held back

. Here is my 2 cents, maybe the company and maybe others will look at this as what folks want.

I just got two bags of Imperial trenchers and Bauhaus trenchers from Prince August. 160 models fro 60+- USA bucks. 160 hard plastic models from 1998. Four poses. Hard plastic. Very difficult to to convert but doable. I'm loving the details on these per the price as well as the different options/poses I'm getting from converting, even though it is difficult.

Oh yeah Ireland to USA Westcoast = 10 days shipping for like 6 bucks. I got them in under two weeks.

These guys are from 1998 Heartbreak and while most of the Warzone stuff is cartoony, these guys are still relevant. I got 80 Imperial Guard models, 80 Traitor Guard for roughly $65 dollars.


Now. DFG or whoever company trying to get a foothold in the market; listen to that. These are not multi-part IG from GW with a million options, but they're convertible. Plus cheap. Plus look nice. Delivered quickly.


I DO like the APC that was posted. The scale looks off, but as shown, it is okay to scale. NO ONE that plays 40k should EVER bitch about that scale since GW has horrendous scale problems. Orks trukks, rhinos, etc.

Anyway, sorry that Defiance is having all these problems, maybe they need to take a breath and get it together. The APC looks good. But the infantry is bad compared to models from 1998.

In all fairness, though, the UAMC marines look good(The legs are admittedly very softly detailed, but it can be fixed with painting, sorta). More realistic, and better arms, than old Warzone plastics. And I use a ton of those as Chaos cultists, I swear by them as my cheap go-to mass for the slaughter.

True I guess, I haven't really seen the UAC guys up close. I was really impressed with the Warzone figs being that old. I guess my point is, there are probably a few gamers like me, not too much money to spend but a decent budget, looking for a cheap alternative to troops for IG.

I guess we need that gap that falls between ultra-detailed high quality troops for the armies that are including a slight amount of troops and those troop heavy armies where quantity matters. Or well, I was looking for the best looking troops that I could get for a cheap amount and found it in something fifteen years old. I'm still getting good results out of them as opposed to the WGFactory trenchers which look awful and have disproportioned legs, soft details, etc.

I think the market is looking for that kind of thing. Start ups should look to fill the GW replacement niches, all I'm saying.

I'm with you. I was happy with the WGF trenchers at first, until I had maybe 6 of them done, and then I couldn't wait for them to be all done and squared away. I'm still looking for someone to offload them on, I'm so disenchanted.

 Gorgrimm wrote:

I guess we need that gap that falls between ultra-detailed high quality troops for the armies that are including a slight amount of troops and those troop heavy armies where quantity matters. Or well, I was looking for the best looking troops that I could get for a cheap amount and found it in something fifteen years old. I'm still getting good results out of them as opposed to the WGFactory trenchers which look awful and have disproportioned legs, soft details, etc.

I think the market is looking for that kind of thing. Start ups should look to fill the GW replacement niches, all I'm saying.

Some companies are moving kind of in that direction. 2 recent offerings, which -while not strait GW proxies- would have real possibility as such.
Khurasan : Federal Army (9 figs for 12 bucks) Released a week or so ago.
Reaper: Nova Corp Troopers (Likely between 1 and 2 bucks when they are released in Bones) Next month.

The reason Prince August can get away with selling the Warzone figures for so cheap is that the molds for those were made 15 years ago and have been paid for many times over. They can make and sell them for materials and shipping cost, basically, whereas any company trying to make hard plastic figures these days needs to foot the bill for a mold that can cost $20K+.

Which reminds me: I really, really need to order some of those Warzone figures. I've been meaning to for ages.

Prince August doesn't cast any Warzone stuff though. The moulds and masters for the old Warzone line were destroyed when Excelsior went under. And owning a few Prince August minis and a few originals, they certainly aren't recasts.

The reason PA can sell Warzone stuff so cheap is that when the game died (twice) retailers and distributors were dumping the stock as fast as they could and PA picked up tons of it on the cheap. Hell, most of the stuff they have now is loose and out of the blister.

But Prince August have no license from Paradox to cast Warzone figgies (and if they did it would definitely conflict with Prodos's license).

Warzone minis are cheap because the game died. Same reason you could find AT-43 stuff for, minimum, 75% off in the waning days. When a company is about to go under, retailers will scramble to get that stuff out of their warehouses. Prince August were just the lucky sods who saw an opportunity in it (certainly helped me out in allowing me to grab some stuff to fill my collection out after the second Warzone crash).

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
I'm with you. I was happy with the WGF trenchers at first, until I had maybe 6 of them done, and then I couldn't wait for them to be all done and squared away. I'm still looking for someone to offload them on, I'm so disenchanted.

Huh, I still like mine. They're vastly improved by adding the plastic Bauhaus backpacks to 'em.

Should have thought of that. Though I don't have many of those lying around after assembling all my Bauhaus.

Can someone enlighten me on why there weren't enough backpacks on a UAMC sprue to outfit all your dudes with them, though?

Uhhh, I just wanted to see if the War Store had the newest kit in stock, just to see if Defiance made good on the "available now" promise.

They are not even listed there anymore. I remember ordering my UAMC through them, and seeing the bugs in their catalog... any idea when this happened, and it TWS got as fed up as some of us?

If Defiance has not been able to ensure decent stock levels I can't imagine Neal at TWS listing them. I bet if you contact him he can special order them for you.

And then have Neal wait for them for months on my account? Nope, I know how bad I feel when one of my customer is waiting for too long, not an enviable position.

I don't think the War Store ever said anything official about dropping Defiance product, but I remember them reducing the prices at one point (possibly during a Black Friday sale, I don't remember), so if they're not listed anymore then I imagine they probably got fed up with Defiance and washed their hands of it, with the reduced prices being an attempt at dumping what they had left in stock.

Can't really blame them, either. It took forever just for WS to get the Marines in stock IIRC, and every release after has been more of the same, with nothing but delays. I don't think they even had anything other than the Marines.

 Ronin_eX wrote:
Prince August doesn't cast any Warzone stuff though. The moulds and masters for the old Warzone line were destroyed when Excelsior went under. And owning a few Prince August minis and a few originals, they certainly aren't recasts.

Now I REALLY have to get some before they're gone forever

Well well well, MM is actually stocking their things

Thats good, I guess

Looks like they're getting around to other infantry sets

Guess tis pretty much official though the old roadmap of last year is thrown out the window

Chinese are here at Defiance, though not chinese businessmen