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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/07 15:05:33
Subject: Defiance games. Plastic (resin) SCI FI manufacturer: chinese
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The New Miss Macross!
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Did the mecha egg ever get released?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/07 15:07:49
Subject: Defiance games. Plastic (resin) SCI FI manufacturer: chinese
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Thermo-Optical Tuareg
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I think I read that their current batch they're planning is Chinese infantry, German mech, and US Powered Armor. I'm not sure what their order of production is though. Those Chinese remind me of better looking Rogue Trader era Guardsmen. I suppose they look okay, but the question is, will the final product actually look like those early sculpts? The final product with the Germans had so much detail loss that they barely resembled the preliminary sculpts.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/07 15:09:31
Subject: Defiance games. Plastic (resin) SCI FI manufacturer: chinese
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Dipping With Wood Stain
Welwyn Garden City, Herts
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Yeesh those look poor. My Rogue Trader era Imperial Guard are having me draw up a libel suit against Brazam as we speak.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/07 15:31:24
Subject: Re:Defiance games. Plastic (resin) SCI FI manufacturer: chinese
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Hardened Veteran Guardsman
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I dunno, those Chinese infantry look alright.
I quite like the look of the legs and torsos (from what i can see), not so keen on the arms though and the heads look a little strange, and i don't just mean the aerodynamic cyclist's helmet!
Still, i'd only ever buy them to convert them anyway, could look cool with some Pig Iron or Mad Robot heads or arms from Anvil Industries or Victoria Lamb.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/07 15:33:34
Subject: Defiance games. Plastic (resin) SCI FI manufacturer: chinese
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Dipping With Wood Stain
Welwyn Garden City, Herts
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OK, I'll give you that the legs and bodies are OK, but the heads are no good, the guns are terrible and the hands are poor. Not for me.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/07 15:54:42
Subject: Defiance games. Plastic (resin) SCI FI manufacturer: chinese
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Look rubbish to me, but I haven't liked anything they have released yet.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/07 16:50:26
Subject: Re:Defiance games. Plastic (resin) SCI FI manufacturer: chinese
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Battlefield Professional
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kenshin620 wrote:Looks like they're getting around to other infantry sets
Guess tis pretty much official though the old roadmap of last year is thrown out the window
Chinese are here at Defiance, though not chinese businessmen
What armies are planned?
I'd really like some SciFi Brits (Warzone's Imperials aren't quite what I'm looking for), though I'm making do with Brits from Westwind's Secrets of the Third Reich since there is a general lack of British style SciFi troopers.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/07 17:05:44
Subject: Defiance games. Plastic (resin) SCI FI manufacturer: chinese
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
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Those are pretty awful.
Also, again: People will still give these guys money, really?
Have they started selling the vehicle posted a couple pages back? Have they fulfilled all of the German and Bugs pre-orders? Are those figures up to snuff?
Given that the bugs and Germans started off with better greens than these, and still ended up looking like crap, I wouldn't hold my breath for quality here.
Just my 2 cents.
~Eric
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/07 17:21:40
Subject: Defiance games. Plastic (resin) SCI FI manufacturer: chinese
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Fixture of Dakka
CL VI Store in at the Cyber Center of Excellence
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Taarnak wrote:Those are pretty awful. Also, again: People will still give these guys money, really? Have they started selling the vehicle posted a couple pages back? Have they fulfilled all of the German and Bugs pre-orders? Are those figures up to snuff? Given that the bugs and Germans started off with better greens than these, and still ended up looking like crap, I wouldn't hold my breath for quality here. Just my 2 cents. ~Eric If we pre-order enough of these, surely this time they'll be able to deliver exactly as promised!
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Every time a terrorist dies a Paratrooper gets his wings. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/07 17:27:05
Subject: Defiance games. Plastic (resin) SCI FI manufacturer: chinese
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Powerful Orc Big'Un
Somewhere in the steamy jungles of the south...
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(oops, dual post. My bad!)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/08 02:38:20
Subject: Defiance games. Plastic (resin) SCI FI manufacturer: chinese
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Thermo-Optical Tuareg
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Taarnak wrote:
Have they started selling the vehicle posted a couple pages back? Have they fulfilled all of the German and Bugs pre-orders? Are those figures up to snuff?
According to their site, yes, they have fulfilled the outstanding orders. Have they really? No clue. Supposedly the jeeps are also for sale. I can't speak for the quality of the bugs, but I definitely can for the Germans. Did mine turn out better than the sneak preview ones others received? Yes, mine were passable. Are they up to snuff though? I'm going to say no. While pretty much every one of my figures is serviceable and can look alright once it's painted up, there's just way too much detail loss for my taste. Not helping things either is the fact that the "plastic" they used sucks. I don't know if it's just my sample, but the stuff just won't glue. I don't know what the deal is, but parts won't glue together properly and even after spending weeks bathing in Simple Green and getting scrubbed down with soap and water, the material still has an odd, slick, soapy feel to it. Thankfully I haven't had any issues with paint adhering, but the super glue not working, that shouldn't be happening. The really annoying thing is that there seems to be two batches of "plastic" being used on the figures. There's a darker one and a lighter one. The darker one was used for my bonus figure and the stands. This stuff feels more or less like regular plastic and retains damn near full detail. The bonus figure, aside from a bent gun and some flash is nearly flawless. The lighter stuff though comprises just about everything else and has that soapy feel to it and won't glue. If they can get their QC in order, the Chinese at least might be halfway decent, bland sculpt aside. Hell, if they can get their QC back in shape, I might even consider giving them money again.
So, who wants to be Dakka's guinea pig and order some of the Chinese or one of the jeeps?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/08 03:33:19
Subject: Defiance games. Plastic (resin) SCI FI manufacturer: chinese
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Fixture of Dakka
CL VI Store in at the Cyber Center of Excellence
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Barzam wrote:
So, who wants to be Dakka's guinea pig and order some of the Chinese or one of the jeeps?
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NOT IT!
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Every time a terrorist dies a Paratrooper gets his wings. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/08 14:27:24
Subject: Re:Defiance games. Plastic (resin) SCI FI manufacturer: chinese
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Sneaky Sniper Drone
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I already ordered one of the JRAB boxes and was informed, after about a week, that they had to redo the mold. That was on 5/18 and I sent another e-mail a couple days ago wondering what the status was, but haven't received a response yet. I will not be direct ordering again.
On the other hand, if the thing ever arrives, I'll post pics.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/08 18:22:21
Subject: Defiance games. Plastic (resin) SCI FI manufacturer: chinese
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Storm Trooper with Maglight
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The Chinese look...decent. far better than the Germans.
The concepts looked great....not so great in execution. I liked the Bugs tho.
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There is a word for a wargamer with an empty paint bench.
Dead.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/08 20:01:41
Subject: Re:Defiance games. Plastic (resin) SCI FI manufacturer: chinese
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Xeno wrote:I already ordered one of the JRAB boxes and was informed, after about a week, that they had to redo the mold. That was on 5/18 and I sent another e-mail a couple days ago wondering what the status was, but haven't received a response yet. I will not be direct ordering again.
On the other hand, if the thing ever arrives, I'll post pics.
Yikes that does not sound good
replacing a mould for a resin piece should be routine, and thus not mean a big stall in production (unless you had to get moulds done by an external partner, and they were meant to be all in house now)
I wonder if they've found the JRAB tears up the mould and they've got to do a quick redesign to mitigate it?
either way not what you want to hear
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/08 23:11:31
Subject: Defiance games. Plastic (resin) SCI FI manufacturer: chinese
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Fixture of Dakka
Bathing in elitist French expats fumes
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The preview pic had a piece of the mould in the front fender, after all.
The Chinese remind me of the blocky Catachan poses... and I'm still out of Battle Eggs.
Will we be seeing the Papal forces too before more UAMC stuff? Automatically Appended Next Post: And here's an idea... use something else but your tellie's foam protectors as a background for your pics.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/09 00:45:37
Subject: Defiance games. Plastic (resin) SCI FI manufacturer: chinese
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Dakka Veteran
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Okay guys, I just got paid, and I'm itching to drop my hobby dollars on a big project.
And despite the comedy of errors that is Defiance Games, their 10-box deal of bugs is looking pretty good. I mean, 300 bugs for $239? That's less than eighty cents a figure? How bad could they be? Add some 30mm magnetic bases from Litko, and you're good to go. I wouldn't mind having these for my D20 Future games. Even wrote up some d20 rules for them.
But I had a question about the deal, so I went to their facebook to ask a question.
Lo and behold, it appears I am banned from posting on their facebook. I can only assume it's in light of my recent posts. The funny thing is, I praised some of their work in previous facebook posts. The Marines really do look better, the more color schemes you see them in.
But apparently Tony Reidy does not take criticism well, and I am thus banned from posting. Le sigh...
If Tony Reidy's skin is really that thin, and he's really that much of a pussy, I guess I have no choice to spend my wargaming dollars on something else then. Maybe some 50% off Starship Trooper boxes or something... I've got all the D20 books for those bugs as well. Whatever, it's all the same.
I wonder if GW would cut me a deal if I offered to buy a ton of Hormogaunts...
--Chris
www.chrisvalera.com
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Looking for the Empire spearmen from the Warhammer sixth edition box set (empire vs orcs) Must be unpainted and in good condition. Also looking for MIB Empire State Troops boxes.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/09 01:07:36
Subject: Defiance games. Plastic (resin) SCI FI manufacturer: chinese
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Fixture of Dakka
Bathing in elitist French expats fumes
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Out of national solidarity...
What's your question, Chris?
Don't make me regret it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/09 02:51:42
Subject: Defiance games. Plastic (resin) SCI FI manufacturer: chinese
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Posts with Authority
South Carolina (upstate) USA
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You leave me outa this, I got a dodgey knee here.
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Whats my game?
Warmachine (Cygnar)
10/15mm mecha
Song of Blades & Heroes
Blackwater Gulch
X wing
Open to other games too
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/09 02:54:56
Subject: Defiance games. Plastic (resin) SCI FI manufacturer: chinese
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Dakka Veteran
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Actually I'm American, I just now realize my little flag thing has been Canadian the entire time I've been posting here, lol.  Looking through the settings, it appears it's based off your IP, and you need a Mod to change it.
Anyway, I wanted to know if they're figures would be available at places like The War Store anytime soon, and if so, if the 10-box deal would still be available, or is that company-direct only.
As I understand it, many people have had issues purchasing direct from the company.
Although I'm not 100% against ordering direct. Wargames Factory ran a 50% off "Zombieland" deal to coincide with the film when it was released, though presumably to make back the cost of tooling the sprue, as it was very new at the time. I've always kicked myself for missing out on that, as they've never run a similar deal since. Although I probably got the best of the deal, considering their male zombies are true 25mm and are very small.
Still, for half-off, I can live with slightly shrunken zombies.
So I'm sensitive for Tony's need to make back the capital he spent on the tooling, but having such thin skin is inexcusable, now that we live in an age of social media.
(as an aside, I'm also annoyed dakka Mods deleted my previous facebook posts.
If Tony can't handle the heat, he needs to step up his game. I'm not the one falling behind on orders, and the release schedule, he is. I'm not the one keeping products out of the hands of retailers, he is.
His knee-jerk decision to ban me from posting on his facebook just lead to a $239 loss in sales.
More and more, it's looking like Wai Kee Hui made the right decision booting poor Tony from the company, and that all of his business problems are his own fault.
--Chris
www.chrisvalera.com
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Looking for the Empire spearmen from the Warhammer sixth edition box set (empire vs orcs) Must be unpainted and in good condition. Also looking for MIB Empire State Troops boxes.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/09 02:56:17
Subject: Defiance games. Plastic (resin) SCI FI manufacturer: chinese
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Shas'o Commanding the Hunter Kadre
Missouri
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Yes. 100 hormagaunts for the price of 100 hormagaunts.
Hell I'm just assuming you could get 100 of them for $240, they might actually cost more than that. Which is...stupid.
Anyway, I'd say you're better off honestly, seeing how things are going. If you did buy from him you'd probably never get any product anyway, especially if he knows it's you buying from him.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/09 03:05:46
Subject: Defiance games. Plastic (resin) SCI FI manufacturer: chinese
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Storm Trooper with Maglight
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Better hurry on that terms gaunt deal. Wait too long and you may get 100 gaunts for the price of 200 gaunts.
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There is a word for a wargamer with an empty paint bench.
Dead.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/09 03:11:38
Subject: Defiance games. Plastic (resin) SCI FI manufacturer: chinese
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Fixture of Dakka
Bathing in elitist French expats fumes
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Warstore HAD Defiance stuff on their website at one point. I bought my one and only box of UAMC from them. But after having Germans, Bugs and bases on "soon" for so long, I think they got rid of the whole section.
The "buy more boxes" deal is direct only, and seems to be a permanent fixture. I was thinking of using the same deal to pay a lot less shipping back when things were looking good, and most of it was presumably going to be plastic. Now... Far from sure.
I'd be especially wary of buying bugs from them. Their production has been plagued with issues from the start, and I just can't bring myself to believe they have fixed them all.
And for the record, from the US, it costs 261$ to get 9 boxes of Hormagaunts. And lots of patience to paint them all.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/09 05:37:12
Subject: Defiance games. Plastic (resin) SCI FI manufacturer: chinese
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Phanobi
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I have only ever had a very mild interest in Defiance, enough to keep me checking this page every so often. The Chinese are passable I guess but probably not something that I would ever want to buy unless I ran across them in a store. The vehicle though is pretty nice indeed!
Oh @Chris, I noticed all your posts on the DG facebook page and your bragging about them on Dakka and frankly if I were in their shoes I would have banned you also. Your supposed potential $300 order may seem good in your eyes but when you go screaming at Defiance every time they post something you have to consider the many customers they loose as a result.
I am not saying I disagree with what you wrote in those cases, but some basic manners wouldn't have gone amiss and you most likely appear to them as someone who is simply there to cause trouble with absolutely no intention of changing your stance and especially not buy any product from them.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/09 20:00:52
Subject: Defiance games. Plastic (resin) SCI FI manufacturer: chinese
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Stalwart Veteran Guard Sergeant
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Chris Valera: Just giving you fair warning, the Bugs are super fiddly as far as I recall. It's a ton of bugs, but I'm assuming you won't ever finish assembling 300 of them. If I recall correctly, the torso is two pieces, six individual legs and the head. Not to mention they are configured for a 30mm base rather than a 25. Automatically Appended Next Post: By the way, I never really liked the way the bugs looked, but the moment they went from a 25mm to a 30mm, I lost all hope.
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It's an ugly planet. A bug planet.
Ouze wrote: 7.) If you gather 250 consecutive issues of White Dwarf, and burn them atop a pyre of Citradel spray guns, legend has it Gwar will appear and answer a single rules-related question. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/09 22:33:49
Subject: Defiance games. Plastic (resin) SCI FI manufacturer: chinese
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Dakka Veteran
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Commander Cain wrote:I have only ever had a very mild interest in Defiance, enough to keep me checking this page every so often. The Chinese are passable I guess but probably not something that I would ever want to buy unless I ran across them in a store. The vehicle though is pretty nice indeed!
Oh @Chris, I noticed all your posts on the DG facebook page and your bragging about them on Dakka and frankly if I were in their shoes I would have banned you also. Your supposed potential $300 order may seem good in your eyes but when you go screaming at Defiance every time they post something you have to consider the many customers they loose as a result.
I am not saying I disagree with what you wrote in those cases, but some basic manners wouldn't have gone amiss and you most likely appear to them as someone who is simply there to cause trouble with absolutely no intention of changing your stance and especially not buy any product from them.
Yeah, but it's a fair point; have the pre-orders gone out yet? They talk a big game, but if your existing fans haven't been taken care of, what makes new fans so eager to jump in? Same with the new vehicle, they crow all about it, then they can't meet their release dates, and can't ship product.
Might it not have been better to build up some inventory? That way, they could have found out the model was a mold-ripper, rather than findiing out at the eleventh hour and disappointing fans.
noneoftheabove0 wrote:Chris Valera: Just giving you fair warning, the Bugs are super fiddly as far as I recall. It's a ton of bugs, but I'm assuming you won't ever finish assembling 300 of them. If I recall correctly, the torso is two pieces, six individual legs and the head. Not to mention they are configured for a 30mm base rather than a 25.
I'm okay with fiddly, I'm a grown man with experience assembling models, but they don't even look that great, or detailed. But they are cheap as hell though.That's the appeal. I'm okay with the 30mm base, although I wish GF9 made 30mm bases. It does bug me too.
--Chris
www.chrisvalera.com
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Looking for the Empire spearmen from the Warhammer sixth edition box set (empire vs orcs) Must be unpainted and in good condition. Also looking for MIB Empire State Troops boxes.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/10 05:17:48
Subject: Defiance games. Plastic (resin) SCI FI manufacturer: chinese
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Thermo-Optical Tuareg
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Chris- I'd be wary. If the bugs "fiddly-ness" is the same as the German's, then you're going to have a very frustrating time. I've said it numerous times and I'll say it again, super glue WILL not work on these figures. I've had to start using Green Stuff to get the limbs to hold in place on mine now. And you know what? Even that won't stick. If you're planning 300 figures using this same material, you're going to tear your hair out before you even get through one box.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/10 16:29:30
Subject: Defiance games. Plastic (resin) SCI FI manufacturer: chinese
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Haughty Harad Serpent Rider
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Barzam wrote:Chris- I'd be wary. If the bugs "fiddly-ness" is the same as the German's, then you're going to have a very frustrating time. I've said it numerous times and I'll say it again, super glue WILL not work on these figures. I've had to start using Green Stuff to get the limbs to hold in place on mine now. And you know what? Even that won't stick. If you're planning 300 figures using this same material, you're going to tear your hair out before you even get through one box.
what superglue? both zapagap and army painter superglue work fine on the box o' bugs that I have.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/10 18:03:41
Subject: Re:Defiance games. Plastic (resin) SCI FI manufacturer: chinese
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Sneaky Sniper Drone
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Yeah, superglue works just fine on them; I've assembled enough of the Bugs and Germans to be very confident about that. I don't even make a habit of washing off my minis before I glue them and it hasn't been an issue.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/06/10 18:43:30
Subject: Defiance games. Plastic (resin) SCI FI manufacturer: chinese
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Thermo-Optical Tuareg
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I've used both Loctite and Krazy brand super glues and both have had serious issues bonding with the restic. I've built quite a few other resin and restic figures using the same glues and never had any problems.
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