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I asked a question about the size difference between marines and PZG, I think. It was a technical issue, but all I got was snide answers about Dreamforge games. Yes, I've been a fan of their work, but I fail to see how that should affect my standing vis-à-vis Defiance. I am a customer that wants to give them money. If they can't be bothered with it, they should just tell me straight out.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
I asked a question about the size difference between marines and PZG, I think. It was a technical issue, but all I got was snide answers about Dreamforge games. Yes, I've been a fan of their work, but I fail to see how that should affect my standing vis-à-vis Defiance. I am a customer that wants to give them money. If they can't be bothered with it, they should just tell me straight out.

Perhaps the snide answers were their way of doing exactly that.

 Absolutionis wrote:

Hello Chris Valera. I notice you have some Romeo on you ever since you got banned from the Defiance Games Facebook page.

Sadly you seem to have me confused with someone else, I've not been banned from any site to my knowledge.
Sorry that I seem to have upset you, that wasn't my intention, I was just saying what I thought!
(Also for the life of me, I have no idea what "have some Romeo on you" means! Is it some American term? I assume it has noting to do with Romeo & Juliet!)

*edit* messed up quote!

Romeo Filip owns Battlefoam, and has been a High Profile drama magnet, and source.

 porkuslime wrote:
Romeo Filip owns Battlefoam, and has been a High Profile drama magnet, and source.

Ah! I see, so this Romeo Filip and Chris Valera have been conducting some kind of vendetta against Defiance then?
Well I can assure everyone it's nothing to do with me, I just made one (I thought fairly tame) comment about Defiance and it's all blown up in my face and now I seem to be one of the triumvirate of evil!
Never mind, I assume I get some kind of secret lair as part of the deal? ;-)

Yes. I'll PM you the coordinates. We have a giant screen for sporting events. The schedule is complex because of the confusion surrounding the term "football", but we should manage.

Posthumous wrote:

 porkuslime wrote:
Romeo Filip owns Battlefoam, and has been a High Profile drama magnet, and source.

Ah! I see, so this Romeo Filip and Chris Valera have been conducting some kind of vendetta against Defiance then?
Well I can assure everyone it's nothing to do with me, I just made one (I thought fairly tame) comment about Defiance and it's all blown up in my face and now I seem to be one of the triumvirate of evil!
Never mind, I assume I get some kind of secret lair as part of the deal? ;-)

Wouldn't let it get to you, certain drama magnet faces on the site have a habit of making a new account just to post gak and cause more drama. Was just a case of your low post count coming in at the wrong moment. Welcome to the site!

 doc1234 wrote:

Posthumous wrote:

 porkuslime wrote:
Romeo Filip owns Battlefoam, and has been a High Profile drama magnet, and source.

Ah! I see, so this Romeo Filip and Chris Valera have been conducting some kind of vendetta against Defiance then?
Well I can assure everyone it's nothing to do with me, I just made one (I thought fairly tame) comment about Defiance and it's all blown up in my face and now I seem to be one of the triumvirate of evil!
Never mind, I assume I get some kind of secret lair as part of the deal? ;-)

Wouldn't let it get to you, certain drama magnet faces on the site have a habit of making a new account just to post gak and cause more drama. Was just a case of your low post count coming in at the wrong moment. Welcome to the site!

It's OK, I'm laughing about it ;-)

I apologize if this is thread necromancy (it has been more than a few weeks but this thread will likely stay around as long as DG will be - anyone's guess on that count), but didn't see this one being resolved: [EDIT: it was, just needed to go one page further back - I can't seem to find a way to delete this post, is there one?]
People pointing out that Proxy doesn't carry the containers are absolutely correct, but they do have the barriers. They sell them for $1.17 apiece (6 for $7) and DG sells them for $2 a pop (15 for $30). Still not a bad price though. Just thought I'd toss it out there.

I really want to like Defiance (I've ordered Marines - which were sort of crap, but a good value - and bugs - which are neat but I've yet to find much use for them) but I'm continually underwhelmed by their product. The Germans had me with my hopes really high and the samples I got with my bugs went together okay with a bit of super glue and were relatively miscast free, but they were oddly stick like in proportion and posed like bad action figures. The new re-sculpts almost look like they're going too far in the other direction, but I'll withhold final judgement until we see the finished product.
The worms are sort of neat, but are really just a little gimmick and not a main line.
The vehicles are cool, slightly less impressed knowing that they're not an original design, but want a bunch of them nonetheless.
The Chinese are just atrocious, horrible little sculpts with proportions even the worst cartoonist wouldn't tolerate. Which is odd, because Bob Naismith has done some very nice work, I'm at a loss for why these are so bad.
And the containers and walls are just markups of stuff available elsewhere.

All that said, I'll be singing their praises and lobbing wads of cash at them if the German re-sculpt turns out well or if they release decent kits of the long promised and never delivered (much like my gunny - don't really care too much on that one though) female marines, hard-suits, or the German walker (even better if they take the pictures of these things with a camera instead of a potato, as has been their habit). I'll also be wanting a large number of those Japanese jeep thingies when I can get them.

So, here's hoping for the best.

More bad news on the Defiance Games front. The post below is from TMP (and is, I believe, from the owner of Proxy models who supplied the shipping containers Defiance were selling)

"KenofYork 16 Oct 2013 6:34 p.m. PST

I would like to warn people that I have had an extremely unpleasant dealing with the new management. Be very careful about these guys. I am owed a lot of money and I have been informed that the new management will not pay debts owed by Tony. I have a very strong reason to believe the management shift was a shell game to make the kick starter look better. Can't prove it, but have a very strong feeling about it.


This company has been the worst dealings I have had in my limited time as a part time, one man plastic company. I will NEVER work with them again.

They had planned for me to make the plastic mech in the kick starter with out ever even talking to me about it. I found out I was the supplier after reading the kick starter and asking who was making it. I told them I would not be making anything for a company that owed me thousands of dollars and was making no attempt to pay. After I was paid for previous product I would be willing to look at the files and see what could be done. Well, they got a pile of money from kick starter and found someone else to make the mech. And they told me weeks ago they would be returning product, but they have not. This is NOT ok with me, but I have no choice. I would not have made the items if they had not ordered them. Still they have the items in their store, I have no money, and they are setting on almost $50,000 USD in kick starter money.


I am very sorry if this seems to be a bad business move to spread bad news about another company, but I am angry beyond the capacity for rational thought.

Be very careful dealing with them."

Really bad news for him (I hope he has a contract he can enforce in the courts while there is some KS cash in the company),

Really bad news for those who backed the recent KS (especially if the funds end up paying Defiances debts)

Yet another nail in the coffin for Defiance

I am very glad I pulled my pledge from the Defiance Kickstarter and then turned around and bought $80 worth of plastic terrain from Ken @ Proxie models! Strange how the universe works!

Yeah, I had no interest in backing it due to their history, and it looks like I was right in not doing so. That's some really shady business practices they did. Not cool.

That whole ignoring their debt thing only works if Defiance was a proprietorship. In which case Tony still owes him money.

If Defiance is its own legal entity, it doesn't matter if Tony left, they still owe him money.

Where are the hostile Chinese industrialists when we need them?

 Absolutionis wrote:

Posthumous wrote:

brettz123 wrote:


Ridiculous much? Great first post..............

Gee thanks!

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Come on, that's just an unrealistic ask

when have a minis company ever given out free replacements when a figure gets a resculpt?

But seriously, how many figures companies withdraw something within a few months of going on sale only to re-sculpt them to be completely different.
Even GW wait more than a year or so to replace a range with something incompatible It's not as if they didn't admit the reason is because they got the original set wrong!
If it was any other consumer item than miniatures, the question wouldn't be considered unrealistic

Hello Chris Valera. I notice you have some Romeo on you ever since you got banned from the Defiance Games Facebook page.

Uh... what?

This isn't a sockpuppet account of mine, if that's what you're implying.

I've already stated that I would buy like $300 worth of the Hudson's Bugs if I could ever get a report that they were well cast and worth buying. I'm not a hater, as so many seem to be. But I'm rethinking my purchase ever since I *was* banned from the Defiance Games facebook page. I don't even know why, the whole point of social media is to have a discussion with your customers.

See as how we're still waiting for product and don't know if Tony Reidy is still with the company, and I'm still banned from their facebook page, it looks like I'll be putting off my purchase even more.

--Chris
www.chrisvalera.com

You weren't discussing... you were blatantly trolling and gleefully posting screencaps here to gloat. I'm no fan of this company due to their past and apparently ongoing practices but frankly banning you from commenting on their facebook page was probably the only 100% right thing the company has done in the past year. Don't get me wrong... if any company deserves flak, it's likely this one (especially with this latest news).. but to characterize your posting on their facebook page as anything but harassment is false. To call it the innocent discussion of a "potential" customer is just laughable. Troll them all you want but at least own up to what you're doing.

Geez, I wish Ken had come out with this info while the Kickstarter was going on. I wouldn't have been so willing to give them a second chance.

Well, I guess there's nothing I can do about it now but wait and see if they've at least learned to produce a passable product. At least they didn't get that much from me.

I guess he was being strung along with cash flow problems, we'll get it sorted out soon noises and believed them

but once the KS money was in he'd have been expecting his payment and been prepared to insist

I have a box of Hudson's bugs if anyone wants 'em for what I paid for them. 29.95 plus shipping.

^ Same here

 warboss wrote:
You weren't discussing... you were blatantly trolling and gleefully posting screencaps here to gloat.

Oh brother, listen to this BS. I'm sure you know so well why I did things, and aren't projecting at all... Tell me, where do ypu get your super special awesome telepathic link that let's you telepathically know my motivations? Did you get hit by a truck carrying radioactive marterials, or bombarded with gamma rays or something? Are they magical powers? Please, tell me more!

 warboss wrote:
I'm no fan of this company due to their past and apparently ongoing practices but frankly banning you from commenting on their facebook page was probably the only 100% right thing the company has done in the past year. Don't get me wrong... if any company deserves flak, it's likely this one (especially with this latest news).. but to characterize your posting on their facebook page as anything but harassment is false. To call it the innocent discussion of a "potential" customer is just laughable. Troll them all you want but at least own up to what you're doing.

So the company deserves flak, but I'm a bad person for giving them some?

I also posted that I was thinking about ordering the 10-box deal, so yeah, they lost a customer. Although now that I checked, the 10-box deal seems to be "out of stock:" so I dunno...

It's also not trolling. Some of you here on dakkadakka have the thinnest skin. I wonder how you function in the real world. I post in the Mantic threads saying I think certain figures are average, or below average (witness the "cathorse" debacle) and BOOM, I get a suspension for a few days. Some of you just can't handle real discussion.

Come over to rgmw sometime, we'll show you what real discussion looks like. That dust up on the Defiance Games facebook is like nursery school compared to what goes on there.

 judgedoug wrote:
I have a box of Hudson's bugs if anyone wants 'em for what I paid for them. 29.95 plus shipping.

 Necros wrote:
^ Same here

Ooh, very tempting. Are they opened? What's the quality of the figures?

--Chris
www.chrisvalera.com

I opened the box, looked at the minis, and then put them back in the box. They came out ok for the most part, not including the warped bases .. but either way I just don't think I'll ever get around to painting em.

 Necros wrote:
I opened the box, looked at the minis, and then put them back in the box. They came out ok for the most part, not including the warped bases .. but either way I just don't think I'll ever get around to painting em.

This is okay, I plan to re-base them on magnetic bases from GF9 anyway, now that they make 30mm bases.

I'm just shocked that whther you decided you wanted to keep them or not, that you actually got the figures you paid for.

--Chris
www.chrisvalera.com

Same as Necros. Inspected, was like "huh, cool", put into storage. PM me if you want 'em!

 chris_valera wrote:
Oh brother, listen to this BS. I'm sure you know so well why I did things, and aren't projecting at all... Tell me, where do ypu get your super special awesome telepathic link that let's you telepathically know my motivations? Did you get hit by a truck carrying radioactive marterials, or bombarded with gamma rays or something? Are they magical powers? Please, tell me more!

No superpowers... I simply read your original posts including the pics *YOU* posted of you trolling them on their facebook page. I'd post the link but...

 chris_valera wrote:
(as an aside, I'm also annoyed dakka Mods deleted my previous facebook posts.

If Tony can't handle the heat, he needs to step up his game. I'm not the one falling behind on orders, and the release schedule, he is. I'm not the one keeping products out of the hands of retailers, he is.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/1440/400806.page#5716308

 chris_valera wrote:
So the company deserves flak, but I'm a bad person for giving them some?

I also posted that I was thinking about ordering the 10-box deal, so yeah, they lost a customer. Although now that I checked, the 10-box deal seems to be "out of stock:" so I dunno...

I don't know you to say whether you're a "bad" person. You did something (troll their facebook page) that you knew would get your hand slapped, reveled in it, and even months later you're still screaming "See, my hand is still red!!". What did you think was going to happen when you repeatedly posted aggressive comments on their page with enough forethought to take screen pictures ahead of time because you knew it would piss them off? You're not a victim of any of their previous (or apparently ongoing) issues but you're trying to play the victim card and I'm simply point out the false pretense. You just have to accept that you're not able to post your comments on their page for OBVIOUS reasons and move on (and preferably simply not buy their products since the mere mention of them irks you so much).

 warboss wrote:
No superpowers... I simply read your original posts including the pics *YOU* posted of you trolling them on their facebook page.

So in otherwords, you have no idea what my motivations are, and are still going with this telepathy stuff.

 warboss wrote:
I'd post the link but...

Do it, don't do it, whatever. I like the fact that I'm supposedly a troll, when it's other people bringing my name up in this thread outta nowhere.

Alsom, this quote was true then, and it's true now; If Tony can't handle the heat, he needs to step up his game. I'm not the one falling behind on orders, and the release schedule, he is. I'm not the one keeping products out of the hands of retailers, he is.

I stand by that comment .Perhaps a comment like that is "trolling" in Thin-skin-landia where you hail from, but over here, it's reality.

Also I like that part where you left another quote out; "I'm sensitive for Tony's need to make back the capital he spent on the tooling, but having such thin skin is inexcusable, now that we live in an age of social media. "

I still stand by that comment too.

 warboss wrote:
I don't know you to say whether you're a "bad" person. You did something (troll their facebook page)

This is subjective, but I guess in Think-skin-landia, it's rampant trolling.

 warboss wrote:
that you knew would get your hand slapped, reveled in it, and even months later you're still screaming "See, my hand is still red!!". What did you think was going to happen when you repeatedly posted aggressive comments on their page with enough forethought to take screen pictures ahead of time because you knew it would piss them off?

Oh I don't know, maybe they'd sort out their problems, like everyone else has been telling them to. My comments are nothing compared to the threads on TMP.

 warboss wrote:
You're not a victim of any of their previous (or apparently ongoing) issues but you're trying to play the victim card and I'm simply point out the false pretense. You just have to accept that you're not able to post your comments on their page for OBVIOUS reasons

Ah, more mental telepathy about how I'm "playing a victim card." I love how you know what's in my heart of hearts. Did the radioactive spider bite give you those powers? Can you also cling to walls and catch thieves just like flies?

The obvious reason that Tony Reidy can't handle the flak on his own facebook page. GW shut down their facebook comments too, for the same reason. They can't handle the truth that people are bringing. Do you agree or disagree with GW shutting down their facebook comments? I'd love to know your opinion, now that we do indeed live in an age of social media.

 warboss wrote:
and move on (and preferably simply not buy their products since the mere mention of them irks you so much).

It doesn't irk me. I'd buy, but I'm not sure the quality is and was there, and since Tony Reidy banned a potential customer, I'm less inclined to order. Perhaps I'll order used, so they don't get my money. Perhaps I won't.

--Chris
www.chrisvalera.com

Fantastic.

It is now probably time to move on.

Is this the time that Chris Valera walks away from the interrogation, stretches his hand and leg, and we all realize he was Keyser Soze Tony Reidy all along?

I, too, am interested in acquiring some of Hudson's Bugs. Where do we sign up?

(I guess I'll start the PM chain a-rollin'.)

PM me! Box for sale

From defiance on facebook


Defiance Games


Hello, there have been accusations regarding Defiance Games and it's business practices with outside contractors. I am not going to go into details here on Facebook as this is not the place for that sort of thing. I will be making a statement on this issue on our forums and in our next podcast.
People that know me, know me as a man of great integrity and honesty. Nobody is being deceived or kept from being paid as long as I'm running things. I will leave it at that. Look for my statement on this matter next week. Thank you

-Gary

so hopefully this will get sorted out ok for Proxy