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MrMoustaffa: I'd probably end up using them as conscripts, if I could just get myself one more box.

Any chance I can Paypal you the money?

I still have a box of bugs collecting dust it anyone wants em

 Necros wrote:
I still have a box of bugs collecting dust it anyone wants em

I sometimes wonder if those Hudson bugs were just a figment of my imagination. I pre ordered a box from Wayland as soon as they were listed and every month the due date was pushed back and back again until finally, they vanished from the store completely. Poof!

I guess it's good to know that they did, at one point, exist!

I also have a box!

No updates for 8 months, literally no news what so ever to prove life, the store hasn't been working for just as long (if not longer if I recall).

Is it safe to assume tha they're very still, and very dead?

Doesn't look good for those who had a Kickstarter with them.

 winnertakesall wrote:
No updates for 8 months, literally no news what so ever to prove life, the store hasn't been working for just as long (if not longer if I recall).

Is it safe to assume tha they're very still, and very dead?

Doesn't look good for those who had a Kickstarter with them.

I think we can nail shut the coffin lid on Defiance Games at this point. Shame they promised so much and went belly up like that.

 shasolenzabi wrote:
I think we can nail shut the coffin lid on Defiance Games at this point. Shame they promised so much and went belly up like that.

Better pour some concrete on it too. We don't want it rising from the dead again.

Tony shafted one of the most awesome groups of people in the industry when he shafted Trollforged. for shame.

Chinese starship trooper??

And will the bugs be anything more impressive than the 'Nid and Zerg knockoffs meow?

 AlexHolker wrote:

 shasolenzabi wrote:
I think we can nail shut the coffin lid on Defiance Games at this point. Shame they promised so much and went belly up like that.

Better pour some concrete on it too. We don't want it rising from the dead again.

Definace Games Reputation amongst the miniature gaming community due to their lack of delivery on promises, false promises of items, over reaching for their claimed ideas as well as their propensity to switch materials they had molds for plastic to try resins/restic/trollforged and resin again when they should have stayed with mass production of the UAMC kits to build capital on shot to at least zero if not sub zero

As much as e-mails from tony indicated he was enthusiastic and positive about the future, his constant changes in policy for his company, and that it effected folks place his rep in the field at absolute 0 aka -450 below. sorry, but there it is.

Lack of updates, no words, and so many never touched projects and still born projects is death for any company, and that they grabbed onto others to try and help bail out from the mistakes made it look even worse.

Concrete over the coffin, and a steel slab over that as well.

Tony will dupe someone else into using their name to start his next scam/business venture.

I doubt if Tony Reidy will ever be involved in a miniatures venture again. Aside from (possibly) John Morse the rest of the people he started Wargames Factory and, later, Defiance Games with have cut ties with him and he burned too many bridges amongst the American miniatures community. Those of us who could qualify as fanboys don't want anything to do with him.

He meant well, as far as I could tell, but in the end wound up robbing Peter to pay Paul, always in the hope that this time he'll strike it big and then he can pay everybody back. Less a businessman and more a gambling addict, really.

A lot of folks thought Tony had disappeared for good prior to the KS project too, with Defiance seemingly under new folks.

He'll be back. I have no doubt about it. And under what ever new guise he appears, he'll initially gather (what you termed) fan boys. They'll even stick with him when it is revealed he is involved in the new venture because This Time It Will Be Different, and It Wasn't Really His Fault, but the end results will look very similar.

But won't there be enough people here to warn them and link to this thread?

 Laemos wrote:
But won't there be enough people here to warn them and link to this thread?

I still feel bad that I didn't go out and bang the drum about not trusting Tony Reidy before they launched their Kickstarter, but I felt (in my case, being informally associated with them) that it'd be in poor taste.

This time around . . . not so much. If Tony pops up his head I'll be one of the hater

 Laemos wrote:
But won't there be enough people here to warn them and link to this thread?

If it were that easy, Mandelbaum wouldn't keep coming back.

I think the only reason he had his 'fanboys' this time (from this thread, me and Xeno), was because I legitimately believed he had been betrayed by the big bad Chinese.

I'm pretty sure if there was another venture into the miniatures world, you'd have to, for lack of a better term, pants on head slowed to trust it.

Is there a list of we have of people that appear to have been screwed over?

I have been looking, but I can find literally zero proof of anything happening with Defiance Games for the last 6+ months.

Well, if people fell for it this time, knowing he was involved, if he hides his involvement at the beginning folks will be roped in. And no matter what warnings are given, folks will just know this time will be different, or not be familiar with the history.

 Laemos wrote:
But won't there be enough people here to warn them and link to this thread?

There were plenty of people suggesting caution this time around based on the WGF fiasco, and people still jumped on the kickstarter anyway.

It makes me wonder if my luck with getting my order of plastic UAMC marines fulfilled in a timely manner was purely luck, or Tony hoping me saying anything would help waylay the naysayers? Both times were my order fro Greatcoats during the mess between the factions of WGF and Alien Suns.

Then with the UAMC Marines and Defiance Games unraveling.

If it was a gamble to waylay community suspicion, it did not work as so many were already convinced of bad practices.

I got suspicious when the PzG's went from plastics to restics, along with the bugs.

UAMC boxes in plastic could have done well enough for say 6months to a year to fund the other factions. too many horse changes midstream was making me see frustrations rise.

In a nutshell, whether Tony was deliberately a sheister or just a well meaning guy with poor impulse control, he has shot himself in the foot.

I'm just happy I was able to find the last remaining boxes of UAMC Mr Moustaffa had seen, in Lexington KY or all places.

 Xeno wrote:

 Laemos wrote:
But won't there be enough people here to warn them and link to this thread?

I still feel bad that I didn't go out and bang the drum about not trusting Tony Reidy before they launched their Kickstarter...

I did. Nobody listened. Doubt people will listen next time, either.

"Oooooh! Toys!!!!" > reason

Well turns out I don't need my box of UAMC dudes and Hudson's Bugs if anyone wants 'em. Hudson's Bugs never used, UAMC a couple guys assembled. $50 takes both boxes (hey that's less than retail!) and I'll actually ship them

Its been like a year, and nothing on the Hardsuits. Has the creator of Torn Armor said anything about the lawsuit yet?


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People keep this thread alive, we can't just let Tony get away with stealing 67000 dollars!

Even with the current batch of backers losing their money I still don't think people will learn. Too many gamers are blinded by shiny images and false promises both of which Tony excels at.

I had been advising caution during the KS based on his past history, but nobody cared and it was lemmings over the cliff.

At the time of the kickstarter I had a fanboy email me to tell me how wrong I was about Tony and that he was legit, he said that I was being unprofessional and simply trying to trash talk an honest company. He's likely one of the many people who were duped by some 3d renders and a quick song.

My concern was for protecting the potential backers and the community, everyone suffers when a tool like Tony pulls this stuff as it erodes trust and makes it that much harder for legit companies trying to use kickstarter for real projects.

ATXMILEY wrote:
Its been like a year, and nothing on the Hardsuits. Has the creator of Torn Armor said anything about the lawsuit yet?


Automatically Appended Next Post:
People keep this thread alive, we can't just let Tony get away with stealing 67000 dollars!

Think the word 2 months ago was that they were heading towards a lawsuit but other than that nothing.

 winnertakesall wrote:
I think the only reason he had his 'fanboys' this time (from this thread, me and Xeno), was because I legitimately believed he had been betrayed by the big bad Chinese.

At the time I thought either was possible, until Defiance Games returned to form. But come to think of it, Wargames Factory's current Kickstarters aren't exactly doing much to kill the idea that they were responsible for delays that helped send Tony's Wargames Factory under - we're coming up on two years and the Dreamforge Games kickstarter still hasn't sent out their third wave.

I still like the idea of the Alien Wars setting (even if it does need some fixing), and if they'd done justice to the HIPS female marines they had been promising I would have bought a ton, but Tony & Co have thoroughly proven that they are incapable of doing it right, even if they were not the only weak link.

Not to beat the dead horse or blame-the-victims of Tony's grandiose-plans and shysterism, but there were plenty of warnings for this one. I could be wrong about the timeline, but IIRC, when the battle-eggs etc kickstarter was launched:
-The truth about the WGF fiasco had been widely available for some time
-We all knew he had already screwed the pooch with Proxie models and rustforge for the containers and barriers.
-The Chinese troops had already been shown to be miscast garbage.
-The Trollforge relationship was either in the toilet or showing strains.

I and others raised the flag, but battle eggs are hard to resist...

And when a new company emerges having obtained the rights to the Defiance Battle Eggs (or an eerily similar set of figures), and needs a KS to fund their production, a bunch of Ooohhh I Need Those! will get the project funded. About half way through the KS somehow it will leak Tony is in some way involved in the project (but just on the periphery ) and it will make no difference to the funding level.

Then as Tony's role becomes more clear after the project ends, and promises start to be broken, folks will swear Never Again!

Rinse. Repeat.

 AlexHolker wrote:

 winnertakesall wrote:
I think the only reason he had his 'fanboys' this time (from this thread, me and Xeno), was because I legitimately believed he had been betrayed by the big bad Chinese.

At the time I thought either was possible, until Defiance Games returned to form. But come to think of it, Wargames Factory's current Kickstarters aren't exactly doing much to kill the idea that they were responsible for delays that helped send Tony's Wargames Factory under - we're coming up on two years and the Dreamforge Games kickstarter still hasn't sent out their third wave.

I still like the idea of the Alien Wars setting (even if it does need some fixing), and if they'd done justice to the HIPS female marines they had been promising I would have bought a ton, but Tony & Co have thoroughly proven that they are incapable of doing it right, even if they were not the only weak link.

I would blame everyone but Wargames Factory when it comes to those Kickstarters. The Kickstarters using WGF as a production partner may all be running late, but in the meantime, WGF has released tons of new kits including their new American War of Independence kits which are probably some of the best 28mm figures on the market. My buddy runs AWI and picked up a couple sets at Historicon and they are _beautiful_.