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Can the player going second assault with infiltrators in their first turn? The restriction is "A unit that deploys using these rules cannot charge in the first turn."

MasterSlowPoke wrote:Can the player going second assault with infiltrators in their first turn? The restriction is "A unit that deploys using these rules cannot charge in the first turn."

It's still your first turn.

It doesn't say the owning player's first turn, it just says turn, which always refers to a player turn, not a game turn.

MasterSlowPoke wrote:It doesn't say the owning player's first turn, it just says turn, which always refers to a player turn, not a game turn.

You just answered your own question. Unless somehow it's not your first turn.

The first turn would be the first player's turn. The second player's first turn would be the second turn.

It is referring to game turn, just the same as the rule that states you are defeated if you have no forces remaining on the table at the end of the turn.

Desire to not have ymdc bleed into tournaments.

MasterSlowPoke wrote:Can the player going second assault with infiltrators in their first turn? The restriction is "A unit that deploys using these rules cannot charge in the first turn."

This is the rules:

"Game Turns and Player Turns" Page 9, bold text:
"'Whenever a rule refers to 'a turn' it always means 'player
turn' unless it specifically refers to a 'game turn'."

"Infintrate" Page 38:
"...A unit that deploys using these rules
cannot charge in the first turn."

There is no emphasis on 'Player Turn' so I am confused by the above post claiming it's not allowed.

I don't see why this is a problem, no matter if the infiltrators are going first or second the enemy has one turn to react.
If anything it's more balanced this way.

Unholy_Martyr wrote:It is referring to game turn, just the same as the rule that states you are defeated if you have no forces remaining on the table at the end of the turn.

On page 122 it says:
"...likewise, if at the end of any game turn, one player has no models
on the battlefield, his opponent automatically wins."

In this case it makes a note of saying 'Game Turn' unlike in the rules for Infiltrate.

This is getting so close! I'm totally not sure if I'm taking my Daemons or my GK's. Daemons are more fun but my GK's will be easier to play 11+ games with.....

Two weeks from today I'll be landing and gearing up for a great gaming weekend. Looking forward to seeing everybody again this year.

Glad to see the pigments class doesn't conflict with thet GT and Narrative. Signed up because I have 4 new tanks and no idea how to use those powders...

All I have left is to base my dakkajet and paint 8 tires and my modeling chore list is done with a week to spare!

I have a way with words what can I say!!

And for those paying attention never leave your Guard on the floor or your stuff will get stepped on TWICE!!!

Hulksmash wrote:This is getting so close! I'm totally not sure if I'm taking my Daemons or my GK's. Daemons are more fun but my GK's will be easier to play 11+ games with.....

Two weeks from today I'll be landing and gearing up for a great gaming weekend. Looking forward to seeing everybody again this year.

Play Daemons! Be different!

It's the painting of the entire army in the next two weeks that makes that hard But it's on the table!

Hulksmash wrote:It's the painting of the entire army in the next two weeks that makes that hard But it's on the table!

Ahh, well---paint!

What could go wrong--using Daemons against what is likely to be a very heavy Grey Knight field--you'll have a huge advantage going in!

AgeOfEgos wrote:

Hulksmash wrote:It's the painting of the entire army in the next two weeks that makes that hard But it's on the table!

Ahh, well---paint!

What could go wrong--using Daemons against what is likely to be a very heavy Grey Knight field--you'll have a huge advantage going in!

Heh. I did that last year. IIRC, I got paired against 6 Grey Knights armies over 13 games. Lost all but one of them

I'm actually in a similar boat as Hulksmash; deciding whether to go Space Wolves or Daemons. I'm leaning towards Space Wolves, just cause they're so much better painted than my Daemons, but we'll see.

Is there any game store that will be near the nova open event? If the rumors of the starter set coming out on saturday are true I might want to stop by.

Also maybe talk to them about a nova discount for out of towners? Or will there be a vendor for 40k stuff at the event?

There will be multiple vendors selling, including the warstore and spidkey bits, plus local store games and stuff.

What do we need to bring to complete registration? Just a copy of our army list? Reason I'm asking is I work on thursday and will have to pop in during lunch to register. Would be a lot easier if I didn't have to lug an army on the metro.

While you can register on Thursday, and all you need are ALL copies of your army list, you do not have to register on Thursday; registration will be open more or less all day on Friday as well.

Basically, if you're ONLY playing in the 40k GT, you can register up til about 1:30 on Friday. If you're taking advantage of the other events you can play alongside the GT, such as the Narrative or Trios, you'll need to register Thursday (first round of each is Thursday PM).

hey mike, my son and i will be there thurs afternoon is the narrative flexible enough to allow signups that day ? He is concidering doing the narrative (plus i want him to experiance it). Im also on the fence as well with it after the long drive i might not be up to it.

Zed... I dont know about registration but you can skip one night of the narrative if you inform them beforehand.

A couple of quick questions that I didn't notice were FAQ'd.

1) With Coteaz's "I've Been Expecting You", does Coteaz and his unit have to be within 12" of the Board Edge to take shots at Flyers arriving from Reserve, or can they resolve the shots after they've finished their movement? I can see the case either way but it makes more sense for the latter option as that would mean Deep Striking units would get hit before they even scatter.

2) Does a Dreadknight armed with a Greatsword re-roll everything and still strike at S10 from the DCCW? I ask this because the entry says a model equipped with the weapon gets those benefits instead of saying a model using this weapon. RAW sounds like you would get both bonuses, is this logic correct?

You can in theory register for the Narrative as late as Friday at some point during the day, at that point effectively taking Thursday as your Narrative Day Off.

That said, I'd suggest participating on Thursday as well

You can register upon arrival, Ed, but if you two are thinking about participating, I'd much appreciate having you send the lists you'd use, along with any affiliated fluff creations, etc., so that we have an idea in advance where to slot you competitively.

That said, when people look at the Narrative mission pack, and see the amazing LED-lit monuments ... I think we'll get a lot of on the spot sign-ups.

It's going to be a very fun way to spend the evenings in the gaming hall.

getting ready for an event like the nova can be so exciting and at times so full of angst...I love it...I finally nailed down a solid all comers list and then I see a Necron Air Force that will be at the NOVA in action(frontline gaming plug here) and just cringe...ughhhh...however....

I am soooo ready...the days have seemed to drag on leading up....Hope everyone has safe travels and I will see you there...

 Hulksmash wrote:
This is getting so close! I'm totally not sure if I'm taking my Daemons or my GK's. Daemons are more fun but my GK's will be easier to play 11+ games with.....

Two weeks from today I'll be landing and gearing up for a great gaming weekend. Looking forward to seeing everybody again this year.

Daemons v5.5 put paid to my Guard army last week. Flamers and screamers pretty much mince foot slogging armies...

Some late breaking information ...

In the form or both raffles and silent auctions, the NOVA has a plethora of artwork available this year.

The work of local artists includes 4 NOVA-unique limited edition prints incorporating some of the themes of our games, that can't be unveiled until you arrive ... available in posters, art prints, and sets of 4 canvas gliches ... with the artist there to sign them. Samples of her work:
http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/532239_490498780964781_1930902991_n.jpg
http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/252765_494502017231124_1059393368_n.jpg

We're also receiving as swag some prints from acclaimed artist Florian Stitz, perhaps best known for his work for PP. http://www.florianstitz.de/portfolio.html

At this point I'm ridiculously excited about NOVA myself ... which is good, b/c many of the most stressful parts of prep are now behind us.
This is my "what did I get myself into" face ...
http://www.novaopen.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/photo-5-1024x768.jpg

If you've absent-mindedly forgotten to book your hotel room, the block and $85/night rate closes tonight .... meaning you'll be stuck paying $25/night more or more, but the NOVA will still get room block credit for you.

We have over 100 more people staying at the hotel this year than last, so room is also getting a little tight. Despite being one of the nicer hotels in the area of Crystal City, we secure the cheapest rates possible for any nearby hotel due to the Hyatt wanting us back ... don't miss out on them by being absent-minded right at the end.

(PS - as always, this is just a PSA for ya'll's benefit ... we've already crushed our room block numbers, well beyond last year's total attendance, so the NOVA is good either way!)

- Mike

Hoping everyone has a great time. Unfortunately, I will miss this year. Something about hernia surgery on the 30th...............

 Unholy_Martyr wrote:
A couple of quick questions that I didn't notice were FAQ'd.

1) With Coteaz's "I've Been Expecting You", does Coteaz and his unit have to be within 12" of the Board Edge to take shots at Flyers arriving from Reserve, or can they resolve the shots after they've finished their movement? I can see the case either way but it makes more sense for the latter option as that would mean Deep Striking units would get hit before they even scatter.

GK FAQ:

Q.When are the shooting attacks from Coteaz's I've Been Expecting You special rule fired?
A. They are fired as soon as a unit that is a valid target is placed on the board. Once the shooting attack has been resolved, the unit may complete its move. If the unit is arriving by Deep Strike, this will be after the scatter has been resolved.

So yes, you have to be within 12" of the Board Edge to take shots at Flyers coming in from reserve when they hit table.

2) Does a Dreadknight armed with a Greatsword re-roll everything and still strike at S10 from the DCCW? I ask this because the entry says a model equipped with the weapon gets those benefits instead of saying a model using this weapon. RAW sounds like you would get both bonuses, is this logic correct?

No. If you take a sword, you can either strike with the sword and it's unique rules, or you strike with the Doomfist and it's unique rules.

 djdarknoise wrote:

 Unholy_Martyr wrote:
A couple of quick questions that I didn't notice were FAQ'd.

1) With Coteaz's "I've Been Expecting You", does Coteaz and his unit have to be within 12" of the Board Edge to take shots at Flyers arriving from Reserve, or can they resolve the shots after they've finished their movement? I can see the case either way but it makes more sense for the latter option as that would mean Deep Striking units would get hit before they even scatter.

GK FAQ:

Q.When are the shooting attacks from Coteaz's I've Been Expecting You special rule fired?
A. They are fired as soon as a unit that is a valid target is placed on the board. Once the shooting attack has been resolved, the unit may complete its move. If the unit is arriving by Deep Strike, this will be after the scatter has been resolved.

So yes, you have to be within 12" of the Board Edge to take shots at Flyers coming in from reserve when they hit table.

2) Does a Dreadknight armed with a Greatsword re-roll everything and still strike at S10 from the DCCW? I ask this because the entry says a model equipped with the weapon gets those benefits instead of saying a model using this weapon. RAW sounds like you would get both bonuses, is this logic correct?

No. If you take a sword, you can either strike with the sword and it's unique rules, or you strike with the Doomfist and it's unique rules.

Both of your interpretations of the rules above appear incorrect to me, explanation below:

1) The flyer must be placed on the board first, because of this you'd need to be within 12 inches of the flyer, once placed on board edge. Not just semantics, this is a difference of 6 inches or so. I still think it's a silly way to rule it, but hey, thems the breaks.

2) The sword does not have to wielded or used in combat, a dreadknight who buys one gets it's unique rules. The wording is "A model with a nemesis greatsword...etc". Unlike other entries, which use the term wield, or when used in combat, etc. If you take the sword, you dreadknight has the rules, and it would apply even if the dreadknight chooses to swing with it's doomfists, as you still meet the above criteria (you are a model with a nemesis greatsword).

You can find the relevant debate on the greatsword in YMDC, it's a lengthy one

Holy poop on a stick. I've been seriously gimping my DK's! I didn't realize until the above made me check that they removed the FAQ question about the DCCW not doubling the DK's strength and that the rulebook made it work that way now......Ouch.