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I find that the kits seem to just have too many pieces. Options and such are fine, but a Grey Knight Terminator should not be in the 12-14 piece range for a single model. That is ridiculous.

hmmm nor problem so far with vehicle kits. Okay, I play SM, the vehicles are blocky and with nothing special delicate
The Stormraven is a nice kit and fits very well. Should be a 2 hour build, when you don't convert it.

As a side note: try to build the Battlefront German 2cm Flak... no instructions, so you have to google a real image, fiddly parts and very small spots to get the glue on

targetawg wrote:

Tzarkahn wrote:I put 4 Chimeras together recently, I found some bits a mite more annoying but having the tracks as about 6 pieces was amazing, shows how long it's been since I made an IG tank, I remember that awful full sized black sprue just for the tracks.

Most of my tanks don't have tracks on the underside because I got so frustrated.

And how you used to have to glue on a bajillion wheels for the chimera/russ hulls. I was very surprised when I bought the new chimera kit...

I forgot about them damm Wheels, Arrrrrrgh

The new Orks models look fantastic compared to the old ones. However, it is highly likely that you are going to just have to live with cutting yourself on all the spikey bits all over the new Killa Kans and Dreadnaughts.

Don't get me started on the new Trukks. They look fantastic. But a 30-40 pt model should not have that many parts. Lastly the new Lootas / Burna box. If you have old edition ork models, the new Loota / Burna box is like a god send because you now have enough parts to build 4 lootas, 4 burnas, 1 mech for $25 bucks. However, the headache of painting all those models is horrible if you assembled them first.

Love the new kits looks.
Hate the headache I have between assembling and painting them

Phototoxin wrote:

Erasoketa wrote:Two words: Metal Talos.

Burn in the eternal fires of the 8673th plane of perpetual hellfire for reminding me of such evil!

I totally deserve it lol

Yes, the new kits really are crazy complex compared to the older ones. I don't think it's necessary either considering not all of the pieces are visible.

Phototoxin wrote:

Erasoketa wrote:Two words: Metal Talos.

Burn in the eternal fires of the 8673th plane of perpetual hellfire for reminding me of such evil!

How 'bout the old metal hurricane bolters for the Land Raider Crusader?

The VC coven throne, was truly hellish to assemble. The spirit hoard that carries it aloft had truly abismal instructions and left me very puzzled. It took me about 2 hours to build... I hear the new hex knights VC again are difficult.

Old lead metal Land Speeders. I still have nightmares. Glue all over my hands! Glue everywhere! Nooooo!

As long as it's plastic I don't care much. Anything to save me from the nightmare of metal...

I hear the Ghost Ark is a bitch to assemble though.

I find the complexity is a bit of a sinusoidal wave. On the one hand, its bloody damn hard to assemble metal models because of the weight ratios, without pinning them. Then they come out with plastic versions and then make things more complex.

That said, some things are getting more detail, others are losing it. The thing that frustrated me on the necrons was that as I was building them, I didn't keep track of what arm had to match to what pair, so the posing is quite a bit off and I have to go back and fix a lot of stuff. I never had a problem with pinning necrons, I'd build them all in stages anyway and wait for the last part of the glue to dry before continuing to build up. (this however pertains to the fact that its easier to balance a pair of legs using superglue to a scenic base, than it is to balance the entire model.

As for the complexity? Bring it on! it only makes the model look better. I would be all for it if GW stopped putting the damn purity seal that's fixed onto marine legs, and there's piles of other stuff that might benefit from an improvement in the detail by way of separating out parts (like conversions and bits-boxes...) On that note, I lament what they did to the imperial guard vehicles, I sorely miss the wheels.

I think the more complexity thing is based on the improved mold making technology they're using. They can fit so much more on a sprue now, so they give us that much more. Personally, I like it. I've not found one so complicated that it was not fun to assemble.

poda_t wrote:
The thing that frustrated me on the necrons was that as I was building them, I didn't keep track of what arm had to match to what pair, so the posing is quite a bit off and I have to go back and fix a lot of stuff.

I always clip all my bits first, and then remove all my mold lines, before assembling anything, so I understand where you're coming from. I haven't built necrons, new or old, so this may not be valid advice, however for any other models I have built there is usually a clue, sometimes subtle, on the arms themselves, to denote which pairs go together. For example, ork shoota boy arms - hands with gloves match, hands with bindings match, hands with bare skin match, etc. Chaos marine bolter arms - there are three different gauntlet styles, and they match up, and so on.

Redbeard wrote:I think the more complexity thing is based on the improved mold making technology they're using. They can fit so much more on a sprue now, so they give us that much more. Personally, I like it. I've not found one so complicated that it was not fun to assemble.

poda_t wrote:
The thing that frustrated me on the necrons was that as I was building them, I didn't keep track of what arm had to match to what pair, so the posing is quite a bit off and I have to go back and fix a lot of stuff.

I always clip all my bits first, and then remove all my mold lines, before assembling anything, so I understand where you're coming from. I haven't built necrons, new or old, so this may not be valid advice, however for any other models I have built there is usually a clue, sometimes subtle, on the arms themselves, to denote which pairs go together. For example, ork shoota boy arms - hands with gloves match, hands with bindings match, hands with bare skin match, etc. Chaos marine bolter arms - there are three different gauntlet styles, and they match up, and so on.

for the new models, the wrists are flat cuts, so all of the arms look identical with slightly off-posing. and its not like one arm goes with one of two guns, both weapons have their own unique arms, and the poses are slighty, just ever oh-so slightly off. All the arms look identical..... Its as much of an advantage as a disadvantage

What confuses me is why GW won't supply some sort of rubbery hoses with their necrons. I was ready to tear some new gak-holes for my necrons when the damn hoses wouldn't connect.
on that note, i don't understand why they don't do rubbery hoses for a LOT of models given you just need to make a hole in two ends of the model, and just super-glue that in.... plasma cannons, heavy bolters, las cannons and even more stuff would benefit too.

targetawg wrote:Worst things for me: LRC old school sponsons with metal hurricane bolters...they had like quarter inch gaps where the ammo feeds should fit.

Second worst...the monolith. It looked so simple, but it took about 4-5 hands to get all of the sides right at the same time and hold the center column...

I had a metal LRC and to this day I can't get the sponsons ( or even the multi-melta) to stay together. It got to the point where I said "feth it all, it's becoming a normal LR" Monolith was a bit of a pain, but with some large grips it goes together well enough.

Many of the new Necron kits are very hard to do with one person the Annihilation Barge being a good example with the pilots seats. Still not terrible but not something I want to repeat. The Immortal box was all rather infuriating, as I didn't realize that certain backs were attached to certain guns.

Sunoccard wrote:

targetawg wrote:Worst things for me: LRC old school sponsons with metal hurricane bolters...they had like quarter inch gaps where the ammo feeds should fit.

Second worst...the monolith. It looked so simple, but it took about 4-5 hands to get all of the sides right at the same time and hold the center column...

I had a metal LRC and to this day I can't get the sponsons ( or even the multi-melta) to stay together. It got to the point where I said "feth it all, it's becoming a normal LR" Monolith was a bit of a pain, but with some large grips it goes together well enough.

Many of the new Necron kits are very hard to do with one person the Annihilation Barge being a good example with the pilots seats. Still not terrible but not something I want to repeat. The Immortal box was all rather infuriating, as I didn't realize that certain backs were attached to certain guns.

My metal crusader kit got so tatty and covered in glue I replaced the with the Quad HBolters from the FW Promethius kit. I may not be a fan of all the new sculpts (Storm Raven, I'm looking at you particularly) but they are infinately better than the old metal..insert here.. kit that had to be pinned, superglued and then greenstuffed into submission. Thats just before some oik knockes it over and it explodes into pieces

A land speeder from the raven wing battle force.
God i hated that thing.

poda_t wrote:

Redbeard wrote:I think the more complexity thing is based on the improved mold making technology they're using. They can fit so much more on a sprue now, so they give us that much more. Personally, I like it. I've not found one so complicated that it was not fun to assemble.

poda_t wrote:
The thing that frustrated me on the necrons was that as I was building them, I didn't keep track of what arm had to match to what pair, so the posing is quite a bit off and I have to go back and fix a lot of stuff.

I always clip all my bits first, and then remove all my mold lines, before assembling anything, so I understand where you're coming from. I haven't built necrons, new or old, so this may not be valid advice, however for any other models I have built there is usually a clue, sometimes subtle, on the arms themselves, to denote which pairs go together. For example, ork shoota boy arms - hands with gloves match, hands with bindings match, hands with bare skin match, etc. Chaos marine bolter arms - there are three different gauntlet styles, and they match up, and so on.

for the new models, the wrists are flat cuts, so all of the arms look identical with slightly off-posing. and its not like one arm goes with one of two guns, both weapons have their own unique arms, and the poses are slighty, just ever oh-so slightly off. All the arms look identical..... Its as much of an advantage as a disadvantage

What confuses me is why GW won't supply some sort of rubbery hoses with their necrons. I was ready to tear some new gak-holes for my necrons when the damn hoses wouldn't connect.
on that note, i don't understand why they don't do rubbery hoses for a LOT of models given you just need to make a hole in two ends of the model, and just super-glue that in.... plasma cannons, heavy bolters, las cannons and even more stuff would benefit too.

New PAGK's are like this as well, if you dont keep track of the numbers of the parts (I didnt) you're left figuring out which slightly differently bent elbow matches up with x other arm and x weapon.

It's lovely when you buy things second hand without instructions as well :-p

hotsauceman1 wrote:A land speeder from the raven wing battle force.
God i hated that thing.

aren't those landspeeders technically the old ones??? I noticed a discrepancy between old and new landspeeders. The new ones fit like a wet dream, while the old ones need about 7 different vices, and 23 elastic bands. (I exagerate, but you get the point)

Sometimes its just terribad warping. Hence why I would be content with even more complex pieces; I'd rather assemble the LR hull from parts than get 6 pieces of warped junk I need to jury-rig to make fit.

Personally, I welcome the challenge! So far I've put together a Barge, but I wasn't really bothhered with how complex it was to put it all together. However, I've quickly learned that it might be better to completely paint sections first before final assembly. The Pilots will be a bit difficult.

Redbeard wrote:I think the more complexity thing is based on the improved mold making technology they're using. They can fit so much more on a sprue now, so they give us that much more. Personally, I like it. I've not found one so complicated that it was not fun to assemble.

poda_t wrote:
The thing that frustrated me on the necrons was that as I was building them, I didn't keep track of what arm had to match to what pair, so the posing is quite a bit off and I have to go back and fix a lot of stuff.

I always clip all my bits first, and then remove all my mold lines, before assembling anything, so I understand where you're coming from. I haven't built necrons, new or old, so this may not be valid advice, however for any other models I have built there is usually a clue, sometimes subtle, on the arms themselves, to denote which pairs go together. For example, ork shoota boy arms - hands with gloves match, hands with bindings match, hands with bare skin match, etc. Chaos marine bolter arms - there are three different gauntlet styles, and they match up, and so on.

I noticed the same thing...after assembling 90% of my Dark Eldar...

I am surprised that no one has mentioned the fact the GW has started numbering the parts on the sprue, I find that it makes it alot easier to put the more complex vehicles together now.

I think some models are easier now... I had two boxes of dwarf warriors.. onw from 10 years ago and one modern.

The modern one is 2 hlaves glue together stick a weapon in hand...

The old one was Legs, Body, R arm, L arm, Weapon...

So its streamlined now for sure...

With that said the Tau Piranha gives me palpatations trying to assemble it nicely....

The Stonehorn and any SoB vehicels gives me glue inducted nigthmares

I think they are way better and far more complex. I dont know how they expect there 12 and 13 year olds to build any of those new Vampire Counts stuff.

As an IG player, I think they've gotten easier compared to days of old.

Erasoketa wrote:Two words: Metal Talos.

I'll see your Metal Talos and raise you a Penitent Engine.

Redaxe13 wrote:Bloodletters... haha 8 pieces for a basic model, but they do look amazing.

The basic necron warrior comes in 9 pieces. The legs, front torso, rear torso, left arm, right arm, main gun section, green rod, tip of the gun, and the head. I have four armies, no other troops model sucked as much as these did, getting the gun and two arms together was like playing top gun from the NES.

Breotan wrote:The necron arks are just tedious. Other kits are becoming complex enough that the instructions recommend painting before putting certain sections together. Still, given how the newer models look when compared to the older ones, I'm all for progress.

The arks are a lot of work. They are not difficult, but are a lot of work. They are also impossible to put together without them being crooked. IMPOSSIBLE

blackclaw1 wrote:I've heard a lot of people say that the necron barge things are an ass to put together.

YES, the barges are horrific. It is a double clam shell construction, the seats for the drivers are weird in the assembly process, the engine/exhaust parts dont fit tight in the sockets and i would love it if i could reposition them as designed instead of being forced to glue them into place so i dont lose them when they fall out mid game. Lets not get into the painting of these things either...


I have 4 armies, none of them were as difficult or even close to as difficult as crons were to assemble. But GD the new codex is fun to play!

I'm pretty good at compartmentalization so I divvy up big kits into small parts and get them out of the way. Gives the illusion that the new kits aren't so complicated.

Perhaps the biggest headscratcher I've encountered is the separate neck pieces for some Newcrons. I mean couldn't they have added the neck to the head or torso bit? Seems a little weird.

I'm also starting to slowly lose my mind as I assemble nearly 40 Kabalite Warriors/Trueborn. Then there's all the transports that follow...

asimo77 wrote:
Perhaps the biggest headscratcher I've encountered is the separate neck pieces for some Newcrons. I mean couldn't they have added the neck to the head or torso bit? Seems a little weird.

THIS...What the hell is that itty bitty itsy bitsy neck thing? It is so small it could be confused for a piece of sprue that fell off when you cut the bits out...Seriously, they could have literally had it attached to either the head or torso in the mould, but no, lets ruin everyones good time with something they will need a fething microscope and a pair of gawd damn small tweezers to glue onto the model...damn you GW!!!!!!

darefsky wrote:I am surprised that no one has mentioned the fact the GW has started numbering the parts on the sprue, I find that it makes it alot easier to put the more complex vehicles together now.

it would be helpful if everything was numbered logically in a fashion that made sense. With so many similar and interchangeable parts, if you are like me, you cut everything off, clean it, and then assemble it. the numbering is utterly useless in that case.

@ dave-C Actually, if you look into the neck, there is a lot of detail there. I am actually VERY glad the neck is optional because I am still working on a conversion which required a hole there. Models look better when you don't have to carve stuff out of them to finish them. I actually want MORE things to be like that, because it would improve the detail level.