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I've only ever been stressed with my hobby when building Lychguard. F*** me that was an afternoon of rage. Especially when I calmed down only to realise I had no option but to put one weapon upside down.

Terrorgheist, though, was a treat.

Dave-c wrote:

Redaxe13 wrote:Bloodletters... haha 8 pieces for a basic model, but they do look amazing.

The basic necron warrior comes in 9 pieces. The legs, front torso, rear torso, left arm, right arm, main gun section, green rod, tip of the gun, and the head. I have four armies, no other troops model sucked as much as these did, getting the gun and two arms together was like playing top gun from the NES.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!! Not Top Gun for NES... Why would you mention such a terrible thing. All the bad memories. Gaaaahhhhhh, my first episodes of nerd rage. Pew Pew ezmode, NAO LAND! BOOM! Trolololol you missed, again.

I'll see your Top Gun and raise you the Chaos Emerald levels from Sonic the Hedgehog, played with the laggy old controllers

Gods those things were annoying


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Or Navy Seals on the Gameboy. I don't think I ever finished that one..

I hate the White lions.

I like models with lots of parts. If you can sucessfully build a Tamiya Panzer IV or an Academy Tiger I, GW kits are a breeze by comparison.

No I don't like complicated gameing models. If I wanted to put that kind of time in i would get a fine scale model like tamiya. And not use the instructions
I think gameing models should come preassembled tbh. But I am abit spoiled now from buying dust tactics walkers.

I do love putting my models together, of course I rarely put them together unmodified now. haha more pieces means more tweaking

 ShatteredBlade wrote:

Erasoketa wrote:Two words: Metal Talos.

I'll see your Metal Talos and raise you a Penitent Engine.

I'll see your metal Talos, and your Penitent Engine and raise you one old Gnoblar Scraplauncher.

 The Strange Dude wrote:
Ok so recently started a new necron army ( here if your interested http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/419940.page ) but I'm finding the newer models a real PITA to put together. Annihilation Barge getting the pilots to sit whilst affixing the two hull plates and the back shielding with it's 3 connectors a side have been frustrating; and painting seems to be the last thing on the designers mind. Triarch Praetorian (using them as conversions for crypteks) the arms holding the staffs, well I swore lots and ended up pinning them. Necron bodies in general have been pinned to keep posistion whilst glue dries.

So the question is are GW kits getting more complex and harder to put together? or as the title says am I just getting old and grouchy?

Childs play compared to some of the old, large metal dragons, 1st/2nd edition land speeders and the like. When I was a kid my tears of frustration used to mix with the glue, making it even less effective!

Some of the modern kits have more pieces to them (and they are generally a lot larger than they ever have been) but again they are very simple compared to some of the specialist plastic kits from the likes of Dragon/Hasegawa etc. It's not uncommon for those kits to have 6-700 pieces or more even for a 1/32 scale model, and they can take weeks to build.

Thunderfire cannon, metal, worse thing I have had to put together so far.

The old metal Bucher kits and that infernal zombie dragon for VC

The fact I'm seeing a bunch of kits I have yet to get around to building mentioned in this thread is not encouraging.

 Lordhat wrote:

 ShatteredBlade wrote:

Erasoketa wrote:Two words: Metal Talos.

I'll see your Metal Talos and raise you a Penitent Engine.

I'll see your metal Talos, and your Penitent Engine and raise you one old Gnoblar Scraplauncher.

9 month old thread dude....

yes and i hate it.

i didnt realize it was possible to make power armour grey knights such a giant pain in the ass. congrats GW.

idk what the bigger piss off is: the cross body weapons or the detail stuffed models for a basic troop choice.

god bless vanilla marine kits, terminators, assault squad, tactical marines <3

Daston wrote:
Hardest thing I ever put together was the 2nd edition warwalkers all that weight held up by 2 thin legs what were they thinking!

The secret to putting together a metal warwalker is to drive a screw through the base into the foot. Even in lead they stand up like a charm!

Do a few higher end scale model builds - after dealing with things like 1/600 scale etched brass railings and radio antenna and fully detailed cockpits in 1/48 scale aircraft...GW kits are like Snap tite models.

Some of them you end up using more parts then you have in a big GW kit for a sub assembly that is smaller than the body of a terminator.

I was watching a friend of mine assemble a grey knight army for a commission job. He about quite, but the money was too good. He hates the two handed weapons on those kits as it is near impossible to get them to align right or to even figure out what arms go to what hands/weapons.

I think there is a point to over simple and too complicated.

if you have trouble with the grey knight PA kits, stay the hell away from both necron immortals and lychguard. getting those assembled and all the seams greenstuffed smooth is worse.

still, it's generally not too bad - just make sure to have some blutac ready to support everything in position while the glue hardens. that goes for the GK as well, by the way.

I was surprised at how fiddly those necron kits were, given how easy most recent kits have been to assemble IMO (including those GK, IMO).

fething hell the Immortals were annoying. I had to trim bits off the arms and one of the guns snapped when I was trying to glue it in place. Nice models in the end, but is it worth it?

I found CA accelerant to be key while assembling my Necrons.
For Warriors, I assembled the legs and body, then once they were dry I attached the two halves of the Gauss Rifle. I then applied glue to the shoulder sockets and the wrist on the Rifle body. After applying the accelerant to the ball joints on each arm I used a pair of needle nose pliers to hold the left arm while using the hose on the rifle, and stuck the wrist into the hand on the gun. Keeping the wrist join together (still holding the Left arm with pliers and the gun by the hose) I then inserted hoth ball joins simultaneously and moved the them into position. Due to the accelerant the set time was roughly 10 seconds, and since the parts are lightweight with a good seat, the bond isn't noticeably compromised over a "natural" cure. 51 warriors assembled over two days including filing and detailing mold lines.

put together an old leman russ and then get back to me.

Sisters of battle exorcist was a huge PITA, especially the organ Keys box, took so much green stuff to make it stay/fit. or placing the metal tau crisis suits together after they snap off their feet once. why have such a heavy model with such little contact with the base?

Wow. Being a newb in this hobby(okay 3 years, but still) Worst ive had was a Orc Wyvren (The body did not like the neck/head). I found the Dread-knight simple, along with the Valkyrie. I wont need to worry bout crons, but due to this, i dont know if i should be scared of Knights or challenged.

Im just going to say: Challenge Accepted.

Once i can afford it.

Don't even get me started on warped sprues. Once I received a kit via ebay sent from Spain and they were having a heat wave (in Spain can you believe it?) All the pieces were slightly out of shape. The model (IG Chimera) was damn near impossible to assemble!

 flamero wrote:
Wow. Being a newb in this hobby(okay 3 years, but still) Worst ive had was a Orc Wyvren (The body did not like the neck/head). I found the Dread-knight simple, along with the Valkyrie. I wont need to worry bout crons, but due to this, i dont know if i should be scared of Knights or challenged.

Im just going to say: Challenge Accepted.

Once i can afford it.

i suggest just slicing everything up and converting them so that they hold the sword in one hand and have the storm bolter seperate - like an assault marine holding a chainsword and bolt pistol. it will actually save time in the end.

if you want to go crossbody dont cut everything from the sprue. the numbers are important. i never did it but i can imagin if you cut everything from the sprue get ready for some rage.

even using the properly numbered arms there is only one "perfect" pose where everything lines up. goodluck finding it.

I find drop pods a PITA. Superglue everywhere and tring to get it all to line up.

Necrons are an anomaly in the GW range.

Generally speaking, GW has done something to the bits to decrease cross-compatibility, but the necrons are the worst for this. If you don't have the matched pair of weapons (and in the case of the immortals, the matched torsos) it's not going together. I learned this the hard way, but they are numbered for a specific reason. The necrons are further pains in the but because they are so dainty. I'm inclined to sell mine, simply because of how frequently I expect them to break.....

Most cases, assembly of most models should be easy if you use plastic glue. misalignments during construction are easily remedied, it doesn't glue as fast, and your fingers don't get stuck to everything and your face.

Dark vengeance has been by far the most annoying for me... the face of a helmet attached to the weaponarm by the trim of the shoulderpad (!?)

they do give tips to paint stuff before further assembly in in the build manuals... so they are getting more complex, but its not impossible to build...

 Dave-c wrote:
The arks are a lot of work. They are not difficult, but are a lot of work. They are also impossible to put together without them being crooked. IMPOSSIBLE

I suppose that depends on whether you have noticed that there is a right way and a wrong way to glue the completed rib sections together. Do it right and they fit together snugly and align correctly. Do it wrong and there are gaps that will inevitably allow a curvature in the spine of the vehicle.

Where I do think GW should improve, is the quality of their instructions. Complexity is no problem if you have experience and an inkling of how to make something, Take the 1/72 scale Millenium Falcon kit from "Finemoulds", almost 1,000 pieces and, from what I hear, a joy to put together because of the A2 size picture of the thing in the box and an instruction manual you could beat seals to death with.

Not confined to the scale model market either. Take a look at the recent Dreamforge Games Eisenkern Kickstarter, 8.5 Inch tall walker rather like a titan where the hydraulic systems will come in two parts which can be inserted together and move. This means you can build it without gluing them, position it on a base or flat surface, then glue them to lock it into position - or presumably leave the ankles free so it will stand up on either flat surfaces or on terrain on a board.

Moulding technology has come on a lot since RTB01, and I am glad. I can get more individuality from my models than ever before, but GeeDub has to realise that as their figures are no longer "Push model into base, push backpack ont rear of model, push weapon into front of model" then they need to give better instructions with the models that reference part numbers which are either on the parts in places that won't be seen once assembly is finished, or on the sprue. Add a decent warning that arms are paired and need to be connected to specific weapons (where that is the case) and people will find them a lot easier to put together.

Considering GeeDub's price point, decent instructions are not that much of an ask!

 ShatteredBlade wrote:

Erasoketa wrote:Two words: Metal Talos.

I'll see your Metal Talos and raise you a Penitent Engine.

....so I read this, and then I blacked out for a half hour and woke up covered in blood...

 Pacific wrote:

 The Strange Dude wrote:
Ok so recently started a new necron army ( here if your interested http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/419940.page ) but I'm finding the newer models a real PITA to put together. Annihilation Barge getting the pilots to sit whilst affixing the two hull plates and the back shielding with it's 3 connectors a side have been frustrating; and painting seems to be the last thing on the designers mind. Triarch Praetorian (using them as conversions for crypteks) the arms holding the staffs, well I swore lots and ended up pinning them. Necron bodies in general have been pinned to keep posistion whilst glue dries.

So the question is are GW kits getting more complex and harder to put together? or as the title says am I just getting old and grouchy?

Childs play compared to some of the old, large metal dragons, 1st/2nd edition land speeders and the like. When I was a kid my tears of frustration used to mix with the glue, making it even less effective!

Some of the modern kits have more pieces to them (and they are generally a lot larger than they ever have been) but again they are very simple compared to some of the specialist plastic kits from the likes of Dragon/Hasegawa etc. It's not uncommon for those kits to have 6-700 pieces or more even for a 1/32 scale model, and they can take weeks to build.

I tried build a Dragon MLRS launcher... bloody hell you'd think it'd be a lot simpler to cast the front lights as a single fething piece! *shudders* and the blasted thing just HATED fitting together per it's own instructions. The final insult that got me to rage quit, is that the instructions listed each part by letter then number, the letter designating the sprue and the number designating the piece on the sprue. One problem, none of the sprues were designated by letter any where ON the sprues themselves.

I had some serious issues with a LRBT and it's sponsons... it looks kind of gak now really but they're on there.