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 DaveC wrote:


Good to see a Snow Troll Prime even if it's just a new arm and head for the PVC mini. Mantic still can't do Bolt Throwers or at least their fantasy versions aren't well designed IMO.

You can see with the Troll regiment that the miniatures aren't that well designed to be put in close formation. Right arm is taking quite a lot of space on the right.

But that's Mantic Games : lots of individual ideas and lack of overall coherence.

I just noticed the bolt thrower is on skis. Must be nice once they're not on the snow !

They sure recycled a lot of their Vanguard miniatures, as expected. Their unit of half elven barbarians look funny for sure - it was predictable that they should have made at least two different poses at that time, but Mantic Games wanted to keep it as cheap as possible. It still shows a lot.

Oh well, as long as it's dirty cheap, fans will do something to make them look better, I'm sure.

Preorders are up

http://www.manticgames.com/mantic-shop/new/kings-of-war.html

£74.99 for the starter is bit of a jump from the previous £50.

And 21st of October release puts it too close to Brexit to order anything from the UK.

 Sarouan wrote:

I just noticed the bolt thrower is on skis. Must be nice once they're not on the snow !

See no problem here as it just need to be moveable on the spot.

You won't find real life Bolt Throwers using wheels, those have always been a static weapon

DaveC wrote:a pity about the repeats on the Ice Kin.

QFT, I'm still shaking my head that they didn't have even 1 other sculpt created for those units. Because they did it for other Vanguard models that became units *points at NS troops like shadow hounds and stuff that got alternate sculpts for KOW*

Sarouan wrote:Awwww those snow foxes are so cute !

DaveC wrote:Tundra wolves

I mean even the foxes and wolves got 2 sculpts, plus a champ in the wolves' case! (Also I love the foxes and that there are two animal cav in the army )

I am not sure if this is for real or just the picture

As the Naids also have 2 different pictures in different boxes, one being the same Vanguard model 10 times, the other a new unit with several poses

 kodos wrote:
I am not sure if this is for real or just the picture

As the Naids also have 2 different pictures in different boxes, one being the same Vanguard model 10 times, the other a new unit with several poses

10 Hard Plastic Naiads
Resin Ice Naiad conversion set

Its a mix of the current HIPS Naiads with some resin parts. It looks like a mix of resin heads, arms, shields and a cover piece for the front of the torso.


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4th of November releases

Northern Alliance Clansmen Regiment £19.99
Northern Alliance Frostfang Regiment £39.99
Northern Alliance Ice Elemental Regiment £29.99
Northern Alliance Bolt Thrower £17.99
Northern Alliance Ice Blade (Hero) £9.99

2nd December

Basilean Phoenix £39.99
Goblin Slasher £29.99
Trident Realms Kraken £29.99

3rd edition KoW hardback is up for order, as well as a bunch of other stuff to go along with it. I am torn on what I should get, just the book or one of the combo's, but I can't really tell where the value is to be found for this ie what the best deal to go for.

Really excited for the new book though, as well as the inclusion of 'Titan' sized units! Finally I can use my Mierce Chimera for something!

If you are not going to play one of the armies from the 2 player starter box, I think the third edition super bundle is the best value

I dunno about "best value". That's pretty subjective for a book and much of what simply amounts to a bunch of extra tat. If you want all of that sort of extra stuff, like dioramas, etc. If you're indifferent to that stuff, probably just the rulebook.

It's really funny they're making collector editions, as if Mantic miniatures were seen as of high value on the second market. They should stop with their "Affordable wargaming" motto, because it's becoming less and less true IMHO.

Their price raise is real as well. Look at those Tundra wolves. On their fanatic facebook page, fans are already coming to defend their practices. Really make them look even closer to GW as years pass on.

 Sarouan wrote:
It's really funny they're making collector editions, as if Mantic miniatures were seen as of high value on the second market. They should stop with their "Affordable wargaming" motto, because it's becoming less and less true IMHO.

Their price raise is real as well. Look at those Tundra wolves. On their fanatic facebook page, fans are already coming to defend their practices. Really make them look even closer to GW as years pass on.

I think your confusing collecting and scalping if you get the diorama for example then it's most likely because you like it and want it, I know GW has conditioned people to scalp as much as possible on starter sets but it's not like any of GW collectors stuff is not just tat with no re sale value.
I mean the mugs...sorry collectors editions of the codexs are terrible value even compared to the old ones never mind anything else and they still sell.

Basicly people buy this stuff because they want it not because of the value and that goes for most collectors editions of anything.

 Sarouan wrote:
It's really funny they're making collector editions, as if Mantic miniatures were seen as of high value on the second market. They should stop with their "Affordable wargaming" motto, because it's becoming less and less true IMHO.

Collectors editions are more about squeezing out more money out of your hardcore fans(or whales if you will), then any second-market considerations.

 Sarouan wrote:
Their price raise is real as well. Look at those Tundra wolves. On their fanatic facebook page, fans are already coming to defend their practices. Really make them look even closer to GW as years pass on.

Consider that the wolves are decent-sized metal models when looking at the price. As far as I can tell their recent plastics seems to be inline with their other plastic kits.

But of course, if GW keeps raising prices that gives Mantic more room to raise prices as well

 Sarouan wrote:
It's really funny they're making collector editions, as if Mantic miniatures were seen as of high value on the second market.

Since when was buying a collectors edition for a game a thing for the "value on the second hand market"?

The northern alliance stuff looks great, but a bit disappointed with the mega army, way too much pvc (and snow trolls)
The clansmen however are top notch. Can't wait to see the resin add on kits for them.
These guys will be my second mantic army for sure.

SeanDrake wrote:

I think your confusing collecting and scalping if you get the diorama for example then it's most likely because you like it and want it, I know GW has conditioned people to scalp as much as possible on starter sets but it's not like any of GW collectors stuff is not just tat with no re sale value.
I mean the mugs...sorry collectors editions of the codexs are terrible value even compared to the old ones never mind anything else and they still sell.

Basicly people buy this stuff because they want it not because of the value and that goes for most collectors editions of anything.

Pretty much agreed here - whether it's Mantic, GW, or Activison or Ubisoft. If people want that extra stuff, than more power to them. I only question the above poster calling the Collector's edition bundle "best value" when collector's editions are rarely that on an objective level, since the extra tat is entirely subjective. And again - cool and dandy if you want those extras.

of course it is best value of you consider any of the bundles

if one just wants the book, the book alone is the best option

if you have problems to decide which bundle to get it is a different story

Details of Vanguard rules changes in Ice and Iron

https://manticblog.com/2019/08/14/ice-iron-warband-updates/

Abyssal Dwarf Blacksouls render from today's blog

Yay, more evil Dwarfs! Says they'll get a new force early next year. Sounds good to me!

So, will Ice and Iron have full warband lists, or just the limited lists from the rulebook?

The evil Dwarf renders look pretty good, the shoulder connections look a bit funny but I do like the aesthetic.

Those Abyssal Dwarfs Look so much better then the current ones, hopefully the they will keep updating the range.

I wonder if those Abyssal Dwarves will be a HIPS kit or resin.

It would have been nice for them to do the classic big hat look as GW seem to have abandoned it. To be honest, these could pass as an elite infantry unit for 'good' dwarfs. That said they do look nice, especially if they turn out to be HIPS.

I want more Arkosaurs like that necromancer. More in- line with how I like my reptiles than the Salamanders.

Also look forward to seeing what other sculpts end up in the Abyssal Dwarf range.

Taaloc wrote:It would have been nice for them to do the classic big hat look as GW seem to have abandoned it.

highlord tamburlaine wrote: Also look forward to seeing what other sculpts end up in the Abyssal Dwarf range.

Yeah, they could really lean into that classic (though not quite rogue trader) GW Big hat Chaos Dwarf look. I think with the lore stating that Hashut got killed by GorkaMorka (correct me if I'm wrong)? And the Fyreslayers pretty much capitalizing on the whole 'Fire/Lava, Bull-like Dragons aesthetic , I doubt GW will continue down that route with them. In fact, IIRC they were eluded to being somewhere (on an island) in the middle of the ocean in the realm of Metal?
Guess they're going to go down this route a bit more...


I would love it if Mantic really leaned into it though, as it's definitely one of the reasons the Chaos Dwarfs gathered a following, was that it was so different looking than the typical Chaos stuff (there's an oxymoron for you and a band name <Typical Chaos> )

I definitely want more Bulls, Lamassu, fire magic , and Blunderbuss' .

 skullking wrote:

Taaloc wrote:It would have been nice for them to do the classic big hat look as GW seem to have abandoned it.

highlord tamburlaine wrote: Also look forward to seeing what other sculpts end up in the Abyssal Dwarf range.

Yeah, they could really lean into that classic (though not quite rogue trader) GW Big hat Chaos Dwarf look. I think with the lore stating that Hashut got killed by GorkaMorka (correct me if I'm wrong)? And the Fyreslayers pretty much capitalizing on the whole 'Fire/Lava, Bull-like Dragons aesthetic , I doubt GW will continue down that route with them. In fact, IIRC they were eluded to being somewhere (on an island) in the middle of the ocean in the realm of Metal?
Guess they're going to go down this route a bit more...

Spoiler:

I would love it if Mantic really leaned into it though, as it's definitely one of the reasons the Chaos Dwarfs gathered a following, was that it was so different looking than the typical Chaos stuff (there's an oxymoron for you and a band name <Typical Chaos> )

I definitely want more Bulls, Lamassu, fire magic , and Blunderbuss' .

I disagree.
I think Mantic should make it their own.

According to Matt Gilbert on Facebook: "WIP. Hard plastic. Arriving 2020." I assume that they will be relased at around the same time or shortly after the release of the AD warband for Vanguard in "early 2020", which hopefully contains a sprue of those.

Those Ice Naiads look a lot better than the default Trident Realms ones. It is a shame they didn't design them more in the style of the Naiad demon hunter from Dungeon Saga, she is a really cool mini.

Chaos dwarfs are great, hats should be bigger tho. If it's not the size of their body , is it even a hat?

ArtIsGreat wrote:
Chaos dwarfs are great, hats should be bigger tho. If it's not the size of their body , is it even a hat?

Nice hat!

Valete,

JohnS