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 spiralingcadaver wrote:
Yep, agreed that it would be a good resource. I've never seen a $10 resin I've wanted (I find Bones's line which I find generic and not the best sculpts, and GW has some for non-uniques but characters are around $20 +/- $5), which is why I asked hoping for a useful resource, and got the snarky response of SMV's own resins (which are currently around $20... don't know what price they were before years of inflation and fluctuation of exchange rates) and KD's (which are $25+).

Nocturna, Black Scorpion Miniatures just to name two off the top of my head.

You earned the snarky response you got. SMVs resins were $10 CDN when they were new.

 IdentifyZero wrote:

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
Yep, agreed that it would be a good resource. I've never seen a $10 resin I've wanted (I find Bones's line which I find generic and not the best sculpts, and GW has some for non-uniques but characters are around $20 +/- $5), which is why I asked hoping for a useful resource, and got the snarky response of SMV's own resins (which are currently around $20... don't know what price they were before years of inflation and fluctuation of exchange rates) and KD's (which are $25+).

Nocturna, Black Scorpion Miniatures just to name two off the top of my head.

You earned the snarky response you got. SMVs resins were $10 CDN when they were new.

Since we are being snarky, I didn't find anything close to $10 from Nocturna.

Edit: I looked further at Black Scorpion, lots of good deals there actually.

sparkywtf wrote:

Triple9 wrote:
I view SW as a cautionary tale. It's definitely taught me to be much more conservative with my pledges as well as with pledge managers. My 250 pledge here has saved me at least 4X that since January.

Very much this.

Also I figure even if it isn't the top quality stuff we all were promised, I am not too upset. I also look at it as a way to expand my skillset with a different material and technique, and as a newer painter, plenty of fodder for the paint brush.

So Sparky you're the type of personality that if punched square in the nuts would look at it as way to expand your pain threshold for future punches to the nuts?

 Forlorn wrote:

sparkywtf wrote:

Triple9 wrote:
I view SW as a cautionary tale. It's definitely taught me to be much more conservative with my pledges as well as with pledge managers. My 250 pledge here has saved me at least 4X that since January.

Very much this.

Also I figure even if it isn't the top quality stuff we all were promised, I am not too upset. I also look at it as a way to expand my skillset with a different material and technique, and as a newer painter, plenty of fodder for the paint brush.

So Sparky you're the type of personality that if punched square in the nuts would look at it as way to expand your pain threshold for future punches to the nuts?

Something like that.

 IdentifyZero wrote:

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
Yep, agreed that it would be a good resource. I've never seen a $10 resin I've wanted (I find Bones's line which I find generic and not the best sculpts, and GW has some for non-uniques but characters are around $20 +/- $5), which is why I asked hoping for a useful resource, and got the snarky response of SMV's own resins (which are currently around $20... don't know what price they were before years of inflation and fluctuation of exchange rates) and KD's (which are $25+).

Nocturna, Black Scorpion Miniatures just to name two off the top of my head.

You earned the snarky response you got. SMVs resins were $10 CDN when they were new.

That nocturna joint definitely doesn't have a thing under $10. Neat little site with the black scorpion stuff, but I'm not convinced based on their pictures that those resins are anywhere near KD or McVey resin quality. Honestly, based solely on the pictures it looks like my plastic Sedition Wars stuff has more detail than everything save their collectors line.

I guess I'm just not convinced there's a bevy or cheap resin lines out there.....

 cincydooley wrote:

 IdentifyZero wrote:

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
Yep, agreed that it would be a good resource. I've never seen a $10 resin I've wanted (I find Bones's line which I find generic and not the best sculpts, and GW has some for non-uniques but characters are around $20 +/- $5), which is why I asked hoping for a useful resource, and got the snarky response of SMV's own resins (which are currently around $20... don't know what price they were before years of inflation and fluctuation of exchange rates) and KD's (which are $25+).

Nocturna, Black Scorpion Miniatures just to name two off the top of my head.

You earned the snarky response you got. SMVs resins were $10 CDN when they were new.

That nocturna joint definitely doesn't have a thing under $10. Neat little site with the black scorpion stuff, but I'm not convinced based on their pictures that those resins are anywhere near KD or McVey resin quality. Honestly, based solely on the pictures it looks like my plastic Sedition Wars stuff has more detail than everything save their collectors line.

I guess I'm just not convinced there's a bevy or cheap resin lines out there.....

It seems their prices went up, the 30mm resins used to be $10. The detail blows KD & Studio McVey away on the actual models, no such thing as mould lines.

I can tell you the Black Scorpion stuff is also of extremely high quality as well, prefer it to any Kingdom Death model I owned, which to be fair are pretty gimmicky and lifeless.

Also check out Kabuki miniatures, the first line of any 21st century pinup goes for $10 & under in resin. Oh, have you guys heard of this website called COOL MINI OR NOT? They have tons of resin figures for $10 or less. Insanity right?

Or is it just the desire to try and prove me wrong when you all know I am right?

I think all the jibber-jabber about $10 resin is missing the point now: are any of you willing to argue that these restic characters are worth $10? (Keep in mind that the dog-poop-shaped strain versions were not a selling point for many of us, and are really just bits box ballast.)

Even if you want to say that the strain versions are worth $5 (with a straight face, even), we still ended up with some severely disappointing models of about Reaper metal cost and quality in a medium that makes Reaper's metals feel like ice cube mouth-pleasure in comparison. This KS really gave me a new hatred for restic.

Okay, I'm still really, really bitter over paying $15 for the THI suits. Really bitter.

Yeah, the THI suits stings. I'm pissed about how much I spent on them.

I'm ebaying the some of the extra models I bought for completionists out there and those are at least getting their money back plus some (not much). I'll probably keep the actual "games". The boards will be excellent for any skirmish type games I wanna do the in the future and the standard game models aren't bad to work with at all for me.

Basically, am I happy with this? Nope. Would I buy from McVey again on this scale? Nope. Has it made me super reserved on what I back and for how much? Yep.

Honestly, between this and mantic's KoW (which I didn't back) I was super reserved on my Deadzone purchase (basically bought a bunch of scenery). I was also pretty reserved with my Wrath of Kings by CMoN.

Oh well, I'll sell all my stuff I can, recoup some of that $515 I spent on this and have enough models for 2 full IG platoons and a full armies worth of Plague Zombies.

Upon further review...

Since I probably won't be able to even come close to recouping my $250 here, I might just keep the bases and use them for my Infinity stuff, and then see what I can salvage from the rest.

 IdentifyZero wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:

 IdentifyZero wrote:

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
Yep, agreed that it would be a good resource. I've never seen a $10 resin I've wanted (I find Bones's line which I find generic and not the best sculpts, and GW has some for non-uniques but characters are around $20 +/- $5), which is why I asked hoping for a useful resource, and got the snarky response of SMV's own resins (which are currently around $20... don't know what price they were before years of inflation and fluctuation of exchange rates) and KD's (which are $25+).

Nocturna, Black Scorpion Miniatures just to name two off the top of my head.

You earned the snarky response you got. SMVs resins were $10 CDN when they were new.

That nocturna joint definitely doesn't have a thing under $10. Neat little site with the black scorpion stuff, but I'm not convinced based on their pictures that those resins are anywhere near KD or McVey resin quality. Honestly, based solely on the pictures it looks like my plastic Sedition Wars stuff has more detail than everything save their collectors line.

I guess I'm just not convinced there's a bevy or cheap resin lines out there.....

It seems their prices went up, the 30mm resins used to be $10. The detail blows KD & Studio McVey away on the actual models, no such thing as mould lines.

I can tell you the Black Scorpion stuff is also of extremely high quality as well, prefer it to any Kingdom Death model I owned, which to be fair are pretty gimmicky and lifeless.

Also check out Kabuki miniatures, the first line of any 21st century pinup goes for $10 & under in resin. Oh, have you guys heard of this website called COOL MINI OR NOT? They have tons of resin figures for $10 or less. Insanity right?

Or is it just the desire to try and prove me wrong when you all know I am right?

I'm intimately familiar with CMoN. They don't carry any resin lines that offer consistent $10 character models in resin. The only thing you get is scibor, and even then only their smaller models are still $11.

Additionally, Kabuki doesn't offer anything close to that price range either.

I'm not trying to prove you're wrong. I just know you're grossly overspeaking about this abundance of "$10 resins" and don't think you need to go to that length of hyperbole to make your point the Sedition Wars restic stuff is "overpriced."

With all that being said, I'd still probably pay $30 for a box of 10 of the "regular" sedition wars troopers. I think they're quite nice ,and they are, IMO, significantly nicer than the only similar thing on the market, the Mantic Corporation models.

cincy - I'll sell you my Sedition Wars stuff if you'd like!

I might buy the vanguard from a couple people - I really like those sculpts and sizes.

Yeah, I may take you up on some of the Vanguard.

Just let me know!

Yeah, I think if you are looking for some sweet looking IG and are a decent hand at converting (for specials and heavies) the Vanguard models are excellent. I don't have any complaints really about the initial wave I got.

My complaints are the time it took to get this thing completed, the THI suits that aren't even close to worth $15, and the shrinkage on the exclusive mini's.

Yeah - I'm really upset at the shrinkage the Serenity crew got. They're frikkin tiny compared to what I was expecting. River is shockingly small imo.

rigeld2 wrote:
Yeah - I'm really upset at the shrinkage the Serenity crew got. They're frikkin tiny compared to what I was expecting. River is shockingly small imo.

Truth.

And you laughed at me initially Hulksmash for saying this, EAT IT

Target wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:
Yeah - I'm really upset at the shrinkage the Serenity crew got. They're frikkin tiny compared to what I was expecting. River is shockingly small imo.

Truth.

And you laughed at me initially Hulksmash for saying this, EAT IT

Indeed I must. It feels like all 4 are at different scales. Jane is the right size for the game, the captain is close enough. Zoey is pretty close but distinctly smaller than she should be (especially considering she is not a tiny lady), and River is just ridiculous.

I'll go microwave it up and have it for lunch Target

Oh well, at the end of the day my biohazard investment of 100 or 150 or whatever it cost me paid dividends - I learned to be much more skeptical and untrusting of kickstarters.

In the long run, this was probably well worth the lost money. Now these minis are left to languish in my closet until one day maybe I want some alternative guardsmen, or decide to try and paint up the game to play.

I'll probably try to paint up the serenity crew at some point, but I find myself most disappointed by these. The rest of the minis require a bit more cleanup than I wanted, but their main failing is that I'm not sure I have a use for them, and that's my fault. But the Serenity crew looked really good (pre-shrinkage) and I was going to spend a lot of time painting these up proper for a display case. After seeing mini-river, I'm having trouble getting motivated to bother.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Even if you want to say that the strain versions are worth $5 (with a straight face, even), we still ended up with some severely disappointing models of about Reaper metal cost and quality in a medium that makes Reaper's metals feel like ice cube mouth-pleasure in comparison. This KS really gave me a new hatred for restic.

Nope. They aren't. However, they're limited edition, and most companies sell LE minis for more than their non-LE counterparts, as a result of them being in higher demand and the company not being able to reuse the mold indefinitely to recoup its costs more.

The problem isn't that they sold expensive or even overpriced LE minis (because that's pretty common), but that they weren't up to the standards of nice LE stuff or (from what I gather, I don't have them yet) the rest of the game.

And yeah, restic is pretty terrible stuff. I've never enjoyed working with it. I'm really hoping SMV eventually makes the shift to hard plastic.

Yeah, the problem is those exclusive and homage minis really drove up the final total of the kickstarter, and people added on significant funds for them, and they seem like they sucked.

Funny exchange, Target / Hulk

I almost backed this just to get the Serenity crew for a few friends. Glad that didn't happen since they seem to be among the most disappointing to folks.

Hmm, seems so many of us are thinking of ebaying this stuff, the prices are going to tank. Do'h. Ah well.. live and learn.

Hell I still haven't broken the seal on my second box, tbh I think it'll be staying that way.

Heh, haven't even gotten my shipping confirmation but from the looks of it, I could make a bunch of THI suits work for me. Only ordered one, but prices on those tanking real bad would be a good thing for me.
Not gonna pay over $8,25 per, shipped, for a bunch though and I don't think they'll go quite that low.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
I think all the jibber-jabber about $10 resin is missing the point now: are any of you willing to argue that these restic characters are worth $10? (Keep in mind that the dog-poop-shaped strain versions were not a selling point for many of us, and are really just bits box ballast.)

Even if you want to say that the strain versions are worth $5 (with a straight face, even), we still ended up with some severely disappointing models of about Reaper metal cost and quality in a medium that makes Reaper's metals feel like ice cube mouth-pleasure in comparison. This KS really gave me a new hatred for restic.

Okay, I'm still really, really bitter over paying $15 for the THI suits. Really bitter.

Bob,

I am bitter over the entire venture. I am so tired of people attempting to defend this it makes me seriously want to find them and give them a pain threshold punch to the nuts. From having to put parts in hot water to bend them back into place, to warped boards, to off center tokens, to missing parts, to a rulebook that doesn't seem to have been play tested, to mold lines that chew up blades faster than a fat kid on candy, to Wave 2 figures that aren't even comparable in size to Wave 1, to having to buy a rulebook for the updated rules if I don't want a PDF. Seriously?

This will forever be stuck with me...

A Deep Space Horror board game with 50 amazing miniatures from Mike McVey!

What a god damn disappointment.

 Forlorn wrote:
This will forever be stuck with me...

A Deep Space Horror board game with 50 amazing miniatures from Mike McVey!

What a god damn disappointment.

This pretty much sums it up and serves as a warning for any other kickstarter I might consider getting involved with. PVC is not a good material to be making tiny figurines out of and I really wish miniatures companies would stop pretending it is. Still, the first run of models weren't as crappy as Mantic's Kings of War line but that really isn't a high bar to hurdle. I'm still waiting for my stuff to arrive and that's nearly as irritating as getting bad figures. :/

Yea, I likely won't invest in any more McVey kickstarters.

 Breotan wrote:

 Forlorn wrote:
This will forever be stuck with me...

A Deep Space Horror board game with 50 amazing miniatures from Mike McVey!

What a god damn disappointment.

This pretty much sums it up and serves as a warning for any other kickstarter I might consider getting involved with. PVC is not a good material to be making tiny figurines out of and I really wish miniatures companies would stop pretending it is.

This.

I will never ever complain about metal again and take everything I said about Infinity being made in metal.

I know metal will eventually be a thing of the past, just don't want restic to be the common future of minis.

Regarding nocturna miniatures... Holly hell are those some sexy minis.

And yes, the bases will be great for infinity or any scifi game.

The wave 1 vangard were awesome models. If Studio McVey released them in "real" plastic--or, hell, in Bonesium--I'd buy a ton more of them. They looked great with a super simple paint job, and they really feel science fictiony. Well, I would prefer for the ladies to be reposed a bit, but otherwise they are fantastic sculpts. It's a shame the restic and Wave 2 really brought down the rest of the kickstarter.

My "Wave 2" box just got delivered and it is missing almost all of the paid for additions (Ridley, Niven, Hexen, Ramirez, Calamity Crew, 5 THI and an extra Gnosis). Not a happy bunny. I strongly recommend checking your packages as they arrive :/

I did get my terrain set though, so that's something. It's nicely detailed, though some cleanup will need to be done as there are clear lines of flash on some pieces, mostly the mutated pieces of terrain. The box says hard plastic and it certainly sounds like it though I can't confirm this at the moment though as I'm in work.

 endtransmission wrote:
My "Wave 2" box just got delivered and it is missing almost all of the paid for additions (Ridley, Niven, Hexen, Ramirez, Calamity Crew, 5 THI and an extra Gnosis). Not a happy bunny. I strongly recommend checking your packages as they arrive :/

I did get my terrain set though, so that's something. It's nicely detailed, though some cleanup will need to be done as there are clear lines of flash on some pieces, mostly the mutated pieces of terrain. The box says hard plastic and it certainly sounds like it though I can't confirm this at the moment though as I'm in work.

Are any of the pieces pre-glued? I've seen reports of some sets coming with some parts having been glued together at the factory

 endtransmission wrote:
My "Wave 2" box just got delivered and it is missing almost all of the paid for additions (Ridley, Niven, Hexen, Ramirez, Calamity Crew, 5 THI and an extra Gnosis). Not a happy bunny. I strongly recommend checking your packages as they arrive :/

I did get my terrain set though, so that's something. It's nicely detailed, though some cleanup will need to be done as there are clear lines of flash on some pieces, mostly the mutated pieces of terrain. The box says hard plastic and it certainly sounds like it though I can't confirm this at the moment though as I'm in work.

Did you get a tracking number?