Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

 zedmeister wrote:
I got my Wave 2 finally (after having received a duplicate of my Wave 1 order!)

(I didn't go for any homages as I never wanted them)

The THI suit is impressive at first glance. Not bad as people have been making out, but close to how the resin version looks

All my characters are decently molded, though one of barkers roll cages looks to have been damaged in transit

Jada is slim but similar in size to Damaged Akosha

The only thing I am slightly disappointed with is the quality of the terrain set though. Plastic and molding itself is fine. However, it is pre-glued (who on earth thought that pre-gluing it was a good idea). Doors are nice though.

I had a talk with one of the CMoN/Sodapop guys awhile back when all of the Super Dungeon Explore stuff went to pre-assembled. It basically came down to there being two different camps in the arguement. There are people from this thread that look at it primarily for the minatures and the hobby side. Then there are the boardgamers that want a product they can play right out of the box. The sales figures work out to be that they can sell more of a preassembled product because they have a larger prospective audiance. The amount of minature guys that won't buy a preassembled game is small when compared to the amount of boardgamers that will buy a preassembled game.

That argument falls apart when you realize that not ALL the parts of the terrain set are preassembled though.

Naw, those of us that would prefer to assemble on our own lose out to boardgamers everytime, because--and this is shocking--they're a more bitchy and entitled bunch than dakka could ever be.

 Catyrpelius wrote:


I had a talk with one of the CMoN/Sodapop guys awhile back when all of the Super Dungeon Explore stuff went to pre-assembled. It basically came down to there being two different camps in the arguement. There are people from this thread that look at it primarily for the minatures and the hobby side. Then there are the boardgamers that want a product they can play right out of the box. The sales figures work out to be that they can sell more of a preassembled product because they have a larger prospective audiance. The amount of minature guys that won't buy a preassembled game is small when compared to the amount of boardgamers that will buy a preassembled game.

I'd accept that if the main game miniatures were single pose or push fit. But if the main game pieces require cleanup and assembly beyond what you'd expect for boardgame pieces, I'd expect the terrain sets to be the same.

How is the terrain pre-glued? Cement? Superglue? Hot glue gun?

 zedmeister wrote:

 Catyrpelius wrote:


I had a talk with one of the CMoN/Sodapop guys awhile back when all of the Super Dungeon Explore stuff went to pre-assembled. It basically came down to there being two different camps in the arguement. There are people from this thread that look at it primarily for the minatures and the hobby side. Then there are the boardgamers that want a product they can play right out of the box. The sales figures work out to be that they can sell more of a preassembled product because they have a larger prospective audiance. The amount of minature guys that won't buy a preassembled game is small when compared to the amount of boardgamers that will buy a preassembled game.

I'd accept that if the main game miniatures were single pose or push fit. But if the main game pieces require cleanup and assembly beyond what you'd expect for boardgame pieces, I'd expect the terrain sets to be the same.

Yeah :/ I feel like push fit models would have been a very strong middle ground, since there's nothing there that you couln't twist off a sprue if you were lazy, and I've seen some pretty good push fit work done in the material (including the SW characters). Without it, we're looking at some terribly glued models, I expect- those samaritan arms needed some TLC to fit right, and all of the more complex pieces would be very hard to break apart if put together incorrectly and/or would be likely to have some terrible gaps.

Aphid Suit Barker assembly guide

http://studiomcvey.blogspot.co.uk/2013/09/aphid-barker-assembly.html

Just look at my package now.
First the packaging was terrible, there was a blister that was open and the mini drones plastic has ripped, meaning I had to hunt for small pieces in the middle of the polystyrene.
Second they actually didn't send my $3 rulebook that is completely useless even though they tricked me to buy it.
Third the plastics don't look too bad apart from the issues with the scale. The models are indeed ridiculous tinny, don't know how they accepted the samples for production as fair.
Fourth the terrain is actually still the best part, still looks great, and even with the annoyance of the preglued pieces it is probably the best value I got out of all this kickstarter

 DaveC wrote:
Aphid Suit Barker assembly guide

http://studiomcvey.blogspot.co.uk/2013/09/aphid-barker-assembly.html

I love the part where it took him 45 minutes to clean the mold lines, and then he admitted there were still some bits of mold line left that needed to be sanded off. Totally worth it, right?


Come on Bones 2....

I hope that this whole debacle hasn't sunk McVey in terms of every getting the things off the ground that we'd hoped he would.

 CptJake wrote:
As I commented on that thread, the terrain was what was keeping me positive about the project. I have two sets of it (hopefully) on the way. Seeing those pictures has really pissed me off.

I have three sets coming. Still, I'm less pissed off about those than I am the three THI suits.

I'll say the end results look fantastic, but reading between the lines, sounds like there were more than a few PITA steps. I'm guessing he was working from the pick of the litter as well.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 DaveC wrote:
Aphid Suit Barker assembly guide
http://studiomcvey.blogspot.co.uk/2013/09/aphid-barker-assembly.html

I love the part where it took him 45 minutes to clean the mold lines, and then he admitted there were still some bits of mold line left that needed to be sanded off. Totally worth it, right?

Mike McVey wrote:
It took me about 45 minutes to clean all the parts and get them ready for assembly. There were still little tiny bits of mould line showing here and there - but I'd consider it more than adequate for a gaming miniature. Another 15 miniatures and I would have had it really well finished.

So an hour worth of clean up is acceptable? By someone as talented as McVey? (who I'm sure works faster and better than most of us). No.

 Alpharius wrote:
I hope that this whole debacle hasn't sunk McVey in terms of every getting the things off the ground that we'd hoped he would.

I dunno. I don't think I'd be willing to buy into much of anything that he puts out again. I don't think it would be such a bad thing for them to be set back a couple of years after their performance here. Perhaps he might do things a little bit better next time. The McVey forums are full of water-carriers who blame CMON for everything wrong with Sedition Wars of course (including even borked rules(, but despite my distaste for CMON, I think that's far too simplistic and convenient.

 Alpharius wrote:
I hope that this whole debacle hasn't sunk McVey in terms of every getting the things off the ground that we'd hoped he would.

I'm half hoping it has sunk him. I'd rather Studio McVey become a cautionary tale about what happens when you sell out on your own reputation for quality than proof that you can get away with murder.

 AlexHolker wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
I hope that this whole debacle hasn't sunk McVey in terms of every getting the things off the ground that we'd hoped he would.

I'm half hoping it has sunk him. I'd rather Studio McVey become a cautionary tale about what happens when you sell out on your own reputation for quality than proof that you can get away with murder.

If only there was some middle of the ground option. (although Alpharius' is more middle in terms of good vs bad).


I hope SMV has learned from this. They need to pull a WGF and show that they can do it right, they just need to kick out their Tony (which in my opinion is CMoN).

Would be great if they can improve and expand the line, since most of us are so committed already what with the value tanking, it would be even worse if the whole plug was pulled.

Exactly!

We're all kind of 'stuck' now, as trying to sell it will at best get you .50 cents on the dollar, if you're extremely lucky.

I'd love for the next step to be him proving us all wrong or something along those lines!

My package just arrived and I cracked it open!

I honestly don't see what you guys are complaining about. For the money everything has exceeded my expectations.

Pictures will be incoming once my phone charges enough to use it's flash.

 Catyrpelius wrote:
My package just arrived and I cracked it open!

I honestly don't see what you guys are complaining about. For the money everything has exceeded my expectations.

Pictures will be incoming once my phone charges enough to use it's flash.

It may have exceeded the expectations for the money, but it does not exceed (or meet) the expectations of what was promised.

sparkywtf wrote:

 Catyrpelius wrote:
My package just arrived and I cracked it open!

I honestly don't see what you guys are complaining about. For the money everything has exceeded my expectations.

Pictures will be incoming once my phone charges enough to use it's flash.

It may have exceeded the expectations for the money, but it does not exceed (or meet) the expectations of what was promised.

If you really expected McVey LE Resin Quality Miniatures in a $90 board game I've got a bridge you might be interested in.

When you look at these models compared to their closest competition... A Board game... They are some of the best I've ever seen.

When you compare these models to stuff miniature companies are putting out then I'd put them right up there with Mantic stuff.

sparkywtf wrote:
It may have exceeded the expectations for the money, but it does not exceed (or meet) the expectations of what was promised.

That's a pretty good way of putting it. I don't regret having bought in to this, though wish it had been done better. CMoN promised a lot and, having gotten a few SMV resins, I was hoping they'd do those sculpts more justice with casting/rules (no, I wasn't expecting gorgeous resins for $1/mini, but was hoping for a material that did edges well and didn't (from what I've heard) shrink some sculpts dramatically). The rules at least are improving (and I've actually been involved in testing them post-v2 and things have been going okay), but there's still a lot to work out... I'm still hoping the next release is done in a better medium.

 Catyrpelius wrote:

sparkywtf wrote:

 Catyrpelius wrote:
My package just arrived and I cracked it open!

I honestly don't see what you guys are complaining about. For the money everything has exceeded my expectations.

Pictures will be incoming once my phone charges enough to use it's flash.

It may have exceeded the expectations for the money, but it does not exceed (or meet) the expectations of what was promised.

If you really expected McVey LE Resin Quality Miniatures in a $90 board game I've got a bridge you might be interested in.

When you look at these models compared to their closest competition... A Board game... They are some of the best I've ever seen.

When you compare these models to stuff miniature companies are putting out then I'd put them right up there with Mantic stuff.

We weren't expecting LE resin quality, but we were expecting high quality models.

Also putting them on the same level as mantic is probably not the best place to be. Even if their dreadball stuff is good, and deadzone is looking great, the material is still horrible, and KoW did not help their image. So maybe is a good comparison after all.


Automatically Appended Next Post:

 spiralingcadaver wrote:

sparkywtf wrote:
It may have exceeded the expectations for the money, but it does not exceed (or meet) the expectations of what was promised.

That's a pretty good way of putting it. I don't regret having bought in to this, though wish it had been done better. CMoN promised a lot and, having gotten a few SMV resins, I was hoping they'd do those sculpts more justice with casting/rules (no, I wasn't expecting gorgeous resins for $1/mini, but was hoping for a material that did edges well and didn't (from what I've heard) shrink some sculpts dramatically). The rules at least are improving (and I've actually been involved in testing them post-v2 and things have been going okay), but there's still a lot to work out... I'm still hoping the next release is done in a better medium.

I don't regret the purchase either, but it does feel like we (being miniatures people) we cheated a bit.

The whole campaign is a great example of how to quickly kill your name in an industry where that is the most important thing going for you.

The terrain... Both sets of my terrain were pretty much perfect. Lots of detail very little mold lines. After seeing them I'm not bothered by them being glued at the factory, with the way they are packaged it actually works well. There is also a large bag of doors that go with this tray.



Srinkage... I'm not seeing it, sorry the models aren't assembled but I haven't actually assembled anything for Sedition Wars other then the lights out campaign. This is the Not Serenity Crew. The female models are a little on the thin side but not as bad as I was lead to believe.



The THI suits, not as good as I was hoping for but not really bad either. With some cleanup and paint this should come out looking pretty good.

Maybe I just got lucky and got an extremely good batch of everything? Who knows, but I'm happy with what I got. If anyone wants more pictures of something let me know.

 Catyrpelius wrote:


The terrain... Both sets of my terrain were pretty much perfect. Lots of detail very little mold lines. After seeing them I'm not bothered by them being glued at the factory, with the way they are packaged it actually works well. There is also a large bag of doors that go with this tray.



Srinkage... I'm not seeing it, sorry the models aren't assembled but I haven't actually assembled anything for Sedition Wars other then the lights out campaign. This is the Not Serenity Crew. The female models are a little on the thin side but not as bad as I was lead to believe.



The THI suits, not as good as I was hoping for but not really bad either. With some cleanup and paint this should come out looking pretty good.

Maybe I just got lucky and got an extremely good batch of everything? Who knows, but I'm happy with what I got. If anyone wants more pictures of something let me know.

Did Mike McVey clean those for you himself? If they came out of the bag like that, you got lucky.. very lucky.

My two sets of everything were exactly like that.

 Catyrpelius wrote:
My two sets of everything were exactly like that.

Pretty similar to mine in terms of mould lines as well

Second they actually didn't send my $3 rulebook that is completely useless even though they tricked me to buy it.

What do you mean by that? I haven;t really cracked open the 2.0 rulebook. Is there something wrong with it?

It's a reference to the fact that it's essentially still unfinished, and that it will require further internet errata and so forth.

 Catyrpelius wrote:


The terrain... Both sets of my terrain were pretty much perfect. Lots of detail very little mold lines. After seeing them I'm not bothered by them being glued at the factory, with the way they are packaged it actually works well. There is also a large bag of doors that go with this tray.



Srinkage... I'm not seeing it, sorry the models aren't assembled but I haven't actually assembled anything for Sedition Wars other then the lights out campaign. This is the Not Serenity Crew. The female models are a little on the thin side but not as bad as I was lead to believe.



The THI suits, not as good as I was hoping for but not really bad either. With some cleanup and paint this should come out looking pretty good.

Maybe I just got lucky and got an extremely good batch of everything? Who knows, but I'm happy with what I got. If anyone wants more pictures of something let me know.

Okay, that terrain is getting some free drinks and a foot rub. Very classy.

As for the THI suit, the artwork made it look much larger than it was, and the metal one on McVey's website was misleading due to how audacious the pricing was. (Seriously,$30 for a metal model the size of a terminator? Outrageous!) Keep in mind that Mantic had released or at least announced a dreadnaught-sized model for $20 by then, and you have to admit it's a seasonable assumption that the $15 restic exo-suit should be too large to pilot the $20 one. They should be more like brothers in size, or even Twins, if the McVey model is the Danny Devito of the pair. $15 and a handful of change could buy me an entire box of WGF plastic models that I could clean and assemble in less time and with more joy than the THI suit.

I would probably be a lot happier with the characters if I hadn't burnt myself out trying and failing to finish my Wave 1 SW minis. And that was after I decided the strain models had so much detail mishegoss that the mold lines would blend in like Marcus Brody.

Got my shipping notice. Which at least means this will all be over soon. No word yet on the one I'm more interested in (Zombicide)...

The terrain sets really are awsome, the set comes with alot of other stuff but my phone was giving me odd issues last night.

The THI suit was the only thing that I might be disappointed by, but I'm going to hold off my final judgement until I get it cleaned and assembled which I'm going to try and get done this weekend. I agree that it's smaller then I thought it was going to be but once assembled I'm pretty sure its going to be atleast as tall as a terminator. I did only buy one, so its much less of an issue for me then some I guess.

I didn't really have many problems with the few things I've cleaned so far... A sharp knife and a diamond file works wonders, it's the same process I use for super dungeon explore.

To be honest from what I read about the wave two stuff I was expecting small roughly human shaped lumps of plastic poorly glued together. What I actually got were some pretty nicely detailed models that I belive all fit in size wise. Sure their not Studio McVey LE Resin casts but at the price I never expected them to be and as far as I'm conserned I got great value for my money.

My advice to people is that if some of the stuff you got is really as bad as your describing send CMoN an email and get some replacements. I've never had any problems getting replacements from them for anything.