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My wave 2 should be here on Tuesday the 1st. Looking forward to seeing it finally. Sorta...

Do we have a trades thread up for this stuff yet? I'll have a few extras, and didn't get the Barker in Aphid suit for some reason.

~Eric

Isn't barker in aphid suit one of the freebies? You should get at least one from a biohazard pledge IIRC.

 Taarnak wrote:
My wave 2 should be here on Tuesday the 1st. Looking forward to seeing it finally. Sorta...

Do we have a trades thread up for this stuff yet? I'll have a few extras, and didn't get the Barker in Aphid suit for some reason.

~Eric

If you have extras that you want to trade or sell, send me a pm. I missed this kickstarter and there are some minis from this that I'm looking for.

 cincydooley wrote:


So what did the on time delivery of Zombicide S1 do for you I terms of CMoNs reputation?

That was great.

But what about throwing the Soda Pop backers under the Bus? I don't mind waiting a few months for a company to deliver a quality product, but CMON royally screwed RK backers.

 Piston Honda wrote:


Ultimately I wish Mike McVey would have played small ball with the Sedition Wars property.

There it is - I agree with this 100%. IMO less money would have meant a lower profile, higher quality game that satisfied fewer people but a much higher percentage than SW actually did.

I'd love to buy Mike a few beers at the pub to hear his honest take on how the whole thing went down.

 Piston Honda wrote:

But what about throwing the Soda Pop backers under the Bus? I don't mind waiting a few months for a company to deliver a quality product, but CMON royally screwed RK backers.

How did CMoN "throw soda pop backers under the bus"? Please, elaborate. The tardiness of the Relic Knights KS is on Soda pop, not CMoN.

 cincydooley wrote:

 Piston Honda wrote:

But what about throwing the Soda Pop backers under the Bus? I don't mind waiting a few months for a company to deliver a quality product, but CMON royally screwed RK backers.

How did CMoN "throw soda pop backers under the bus"? Please, elaborate. The tardiness of the Relic Knights KS is on Soda pop, not CMoN.

CMON should have given backers the real reason why everything was delayed, CMON decided it was ok to continue to endorse Soda Pop working on another project before completing another promised product. Does CMON deserve the blame for the delay? Probably not, unless CMON is handling manufacturing of the Robotech minis (which I have told they are not), but they have made it clear running a business like a drunken shop keep is OK, much how they ran Sedition Wars.

2 peas in a pod.

CMON basically gave other companies the OK to do the same thing.

Just sent you a PM Piston. A lot of the facts regarding Relic knights haven't been publicly disclosed.

 cincydooley wrote:
Just sent you a PM Piston. A lot of the facts regarding Relic knights haven't been publicly disclosed.

I figured as much.

Gratitude.

Can I get that info PM too?

 RiTides wrote:
Catyr, it sounds like you had the right expectations, and thus were not disappointed. I agree that this is the expectation people should have had... but if Studio McVey / CMON had been honest and upfront about the quality level (if they had known) they likely would not have raised so much from the campaign. They set the expectations really high!

Let's remember the context, though. We've got Mike McVey promising awesome models and really doing more hyping of the quality than anything else (I should point out, yet again, that I wasn't expecting LE resin quality), Kickstarter is relatively new to many of us. It's also well before a 6-12 month delay on every Kickstarter was just expected by us all. The "right" expectations of the time were those set by the producers. Maybe now that we're all a year older and more cynical that it's the expectation we "should" have with pretty much everything moving forward, but at the time? No.

We should prevent the spread herpes

Probably moot to do this since people have already received theirs or will be in the next few days.

The doors have really great recessed lines that will be easy to fill in with inks, shades or paint for shadows. Also makes it that much easier to create various lighting effects on certain part of the doors.

Sorry for the poor images

Sounds odd getting excited over doors, but these are great and get a A+



I could see these being popular with Tyranid players or terrain.



The cargo is probably my favorite aspect of all this. Great for any scifi game, quick easy terrain for Infinity and Mercs. Best part about them is the have little ball joints that all you to stack them fairly high without them falling like a Jenga game. gives you a few options to build you battle field setup.




Resin VS the Restic

Keep in mind it is not exactly fair to compare the qualities of the 2 and not consider the price point. Overall for the price and quantity you got SedWars was a good deal. The biggest issue is the mold lines, be it the amount or how difficult they are to remove, made this project the least fun of any project I have done. I personally would have gone for a lower count of models and get them printed in the fashion Malifaux is doing. Quality over quantity, that's my game.

A bit of shrinkage. This material is not to kind to bulky pieces. When comparing resin to restic counterparts, smaller models like Akosha do not show any shrinkage. But beefy models should some considerable amount of shrinkage, a few mm.




didn't post everything, if you want to see something in particular, I can post it.

Saw the first few minutes of the DVD, great video quality.

 cincydooley wrote:

Or the on time delivery of Zombicide S2?

Let's change that one to partial at best, shall we? October is the day after tomorrow and a great many of us haven't even got a shipping note yet, let alone arrival. Aren't all the Wave 1 parcels missing a bunch of stuff as well? (Necessitating a Wave 1.5?)

 cincydooley wrote:
Just sent you a PM Piston. A lot of the facts regarding Relic knights haven't been publicly disclosed.

I'd be interested in seeing this as well, actually.

One of the things that struck me was how different the levels of flash were per model. Some had quite a bit, some had barely any I could find.


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 Azazelx wrote:


Let's change that one to partial at best, shall we? October is the day after tomorrow and a great many of us haven't even got a shipping note yet, let alone arrival. Aren't all the Wave 1 parcels missing a bunch of stuff as well? (Necessitating a Wave 1.5?)
.

I think, and don't quote me here, that they eliminated 1.5 and held off shipping wave 1 because all the stuff did come in, or something like that.

Thanks for the photos, Piston Honda. Hardly moot, as mine (and I'm sure any other overseas backers) will probably be at least another 2 weeks away from seeing their W2 stuff yet.

Looks like the proportions on those THI suits suffers just as much from Terminator-itis, though.

A h, shoot.

Forgot this

Kara's Gnosis suit in restic compared to the resin Grist, there are som slight difference to them also some minor aesthetic similarities.



there is a significant difference in size, but not sure if it is due to shrinkage or if they are sculpted to be 2 different classes of armor? Obvious there is shrinkage, but not sure if the extra size difference is due to being different armor.

I really hope that's not shrinkage as if it it it's terrible

I'll belive the armour is custom sized to each vanguard and Grist is just a bigger dude (or it's a different Mk of armour)

I wonder how the THI's compare to the metal version ?

Bolognesus wrote:Isn't barker in aphid suit one of the freebies? You should get at least one from a biohazard pledge IIRC.

I honestly don't remember. I will go digging later today to see. Meantime: Anyone know off hand if this is true?

ephrael wrote:

 Taarnak wrote:
My wave 2 should be here on Tuesday the 1st. Looking forward to seeing it finally. Sorta...

Do we have a trades thread up for this stuff yet? I'll have a few extras, and didn't get the Barker in Aphid suit for some reason.

~Eric

If you have extras that you want to trade or sell, send me a pm. I missed this kickstarter and there are some minis from this that I'm looking for.

As soon as I get it and inventory it I'll shoot you a PM.

~Eric

Yeah, you should have gotten and Aphid Barker with each Biohazard.

 Taarnak wrote:

Bolognesus wrote:Isn't barker in aphid suit one of the freebies? You should get at least one from a biohazard pledge IIRC.

I honestly don't remember. I will go digging later today to see. Meantime: Anyone know off hand if this is true?

ephrael wrote:

 Taarnak wrote:
My wave 2 should be here on Tuesday the 1st. Looking forward to seeing it finally. Sorta...

Do we have a trades thread up for this stuff yet? I'll have a few extras, and didn't get the Barker in Aphid suit for some reason.

~Eric

If you have extras that you want to trade or sell, send me a pm. I missed this kickstarter and there are some minis from this that I'm looking for.

As soon as I get it and inventory it I'll shoot you a PM.

~Eric

Thank you Eric, I sent you a pm so that you and I can discuss a deal at your convenience. I really appreciate your reply to my request.

Okay, I've been a fairly vocal defender of SMV, finally got my second wave... reactions with some pretty mixed feelings.

-Terrain: bulky but not heavy, mostly very nice. No assembly problems though I still wish I could have put them together myself. The box suggests that the crates and barricades are actually meant to have special rules, but I've never heard amy mention of 1x1 obstructions or 2x1 cover. The corpses were a little small and lame, but over all the set was very nice. I'd recommend this to anyone who wanted some sci-fi terrain as even the doors can decently stand alone as barriers. I wish they'd used this material for the regular models.

-Drones: kind of dorky, but cute and nicely made. My only complaint is the lack of bases and (again) why they didn't use the harder plastic elsewhere

-Crabs: these things are huge (much bigger than many of the human models) and have some really thick mold lines on some very fiddly details. Also, I don't really like the concept- they feel early 90's. Not a fain.

-Niven, Ramirez, Ridley (strain version), Barker, Kara, Vokker, Keegan, Vade: all fine to good. If they came with the core game, I probably wouldn't have looked twice at their scale or quality. They fit right in.

-Ridley (human), Jade, (not) Jayne/Mal/Zoe, Akosha: a little disappointingly small/thin, particularly because they're heroes and you don't really want them tiny, but still within reason. The medium doesn't suit them well, but if they were in a different game I probably wouldn't have complained. Not going to throw a fit because they're not perfect.

-(not) River, Hexen: tiny little blobs. River is about the same size as a Reaver's gun. They're very disappointing. When on a timetable (and running late), you can't necessarily be a perfectionist so I'm fine with the above "not great" list not getting sent back, but I found these three models looked like they didn't belong in the game. Hexen is a little skeleton, and River looks like she's actually a different scale- if she were bulkier, she might pass as short, but the fact that she's also so thin really makes her look like she's not part of the same line. These were both big disappointments, and I think they should have never been given the go-ahead.

I didn't get a THI and haven't cracked open the DVD so can't comment on those...

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
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-Ridley (human), Jade, (not) Jayne/Mal/Zoe, Akosha: a little disappointingly small/thin, particularly because they're heroes and you don't really want them tiny, but still within reason. The medium doesn't suit them well, but if they were in a different game I probably wouldn't have complained. Not going to throw a fit because they're not perfect.

Just out of curiosity, how does the new Akosha scale against her Wave 1 counterpart. I know the poses are very different but arm length and thickness, head and foot size should give an indication as to how close they are, right?

 CptJake wrote:

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
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-Ridley (human), Jade, (not) Jayne/Mal/Zoe, Akosha: a little disappointingly small/thin, particularly because they're heroes and you don't really want them tiny, but still within reason. The medium doesn't suit them well, but if they were in a different game I probably wouldn't have complained. Not going to throw a fit because they're not perfect.

Just out of curiosity, how does the new Akosha scale against her Wave 1 counterpart. I know the poses are very different but arm length and thickness, head and foot size should give an indication as to how close they are, right?

Her legs are similar, a little thinner with higher knees. Her arms are smaller (shorter and smaller hands, slightly thinner), her torso and head are definitely narrower. She's a similar height. Definitely not that close...

Got my stuff. You know, I think people make too much of the miniatures. They are not going to win any awards, but for the most part they are pretty good, especially for the price. What makes me regret getting into this kickstarter is that the game doesn't work! The rules need work and now they didn't give me enough cards for my bio-hazard extras.

Oh and the scenery is really nice, mine came preassebled but with no mishaps.

Going to watch the video.

Now I have to go through everything and send my requests for replacements. I know there are a few things missing from my original sets, but now I have to go over these with a fine toothed comb.

Got to say I'm dissapointed with the project in general, but the miniatures themselves are fine for what I paid. Especially now that I've seen what GW is charging for their new Dark Elves. HOLY GAK!

 Andrew1975 wrote:
Got my stuff. You know, I think people make too much of the miniatures. They are not going to win any awards, but for the most part they are pretty good, especially for the price.

I'm willing to not bitch too much about the minis in the core set, due to the price, but the extra add-ons weren't cheap, and we were led to believe they'd be a lot better than they appear to be. When SC has a problem with them, you know there's a solid problem.

 Azazelx wrote:

 Andrew1975 wrote:
Got my stuff. You know, I think people make too much of the miniatures. They are not going to win any awards, but for the most part they are pretty good, especially for the price.

I'm willing to not bitch too much about the minis in the core set, due to the price, but the extra add-ons weren't cheap, and we were led to believe they'd be a lot better than they appear to be. When SC has a problem with them, you know there's a solid problem.

Mike McVey expressed disappointment with how the wave 2 stuff came out. If the guy selling the product admits it didn't turn out as intended I don't think customers should be admonished for being disappointed as well.

I think some of the excuse making for the product, taken in light of the fact that the creator expressed disappointment in the product, is getting silly.

 CptJake wrote:

 Azazelx wrote:

 Andrew1975 wrote:
Got my stuff. You know, I think people make too much of the miniatures. They are not going to win any awards, but for the most part they are pretty good, especially for the price.

I'm willing to not bitch too much about the minis in the core set, due to the price, but the extra add-ons weren't cheap, and we were led to believe they'd be a lot better than they appear to be. When SC has a problem with them, you know there's a solid problem.

Mike McVey expressed disappointment with how the wave 2 stuff came out. If the guy selling the product admits it didn't turn out as intended I don't think customers should be admonished for being disappointed as well.

I think some of the excuse making for the product, taken in light of the fact that the creator expressed disappointment in the product, is getting silly.

Whoow hold on there sparky. I'm not making excuses for the product. I've said I was dissapointed with the product, just not so much with the miniatures for the most part, especially for the price when I look at it as a whole. Yes they were promised to be the "best miniatures ever" which is plain false and aggravating especially considering that I got basically 2 of everything available including the limited sets. Now even though they were advertising it as such, I never really expected McVey quality resin for $1.00 (on average) a miniature.

It was not the outright WIN it was supposed to be. But I got like 250 (for the most part good, interesting) miniatures, some nice scenery and maps for somewhere around $300. Not too shabby.......if only the game were playable (sigh)

Heh, thanks for the confidence Azelex

Also, Andrew brought up the part I forgot to respond to- the rules.

The Visitor rule is unnecessary in a light weight skirmish game- it's not like the game is so finely tuned that the presence of some of the characters (seems somewhat arbitrary) would break the prefect balance of the tournament scene.

The Infectious rule is also unnecessary- in a game where maps, forces, and sometimes win conditions are based on your army size, it leads to all sorts of weird problems, and I haven't been able to figure out how it could be worth the trouble of making a backwards rule.

The special infected models are never going to see play: I've played the game quite a lot, and it's always in the vanguard player's best interest to kill infection 3 pieces, and there are almost no circumstances when you'll let a model reach infection 4 (and it'll die to friendly fire anyways).

The cards seem to have had little to no playtesting put in: several are basically worse and more expensive versions of existing models; the alternate resin Kara clearly has not been updated since last edition; there is still no card for the promised Cthonian Drone (not that I'm crying over not having another presumably cheaper walking pile of armor)

No solo rules yet either.

Yep, that's also annoying, but I consider it less frustrating than things that were promised as printed media (in part because of the money involved: it's going to probably be a lot harder to get correct copies of anything).

As a playtester (no, I had nothing to do with testing 2nd edition rules or these cards), I'll say we haven't touched solo rules: fixing core rules and Outbreak have been declared the priority right now, so I believe it's fair to say you should expect those and Quarantine to still be a while.