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Tre, for your kickstarter please consider an option to have all/only goblins. I think that may have put me off of Mantic's (getting a lot of free models I had no interest in) and being able to buy "just ranks" instead of characters may be what I'm after (although I'll likely add in a character or two, I'd like a pledge level for just ranks).

Not sure how many "ranks" the 12 bonebacks sculpts would count as (hopefully just 1-2? ) or if you're doing it a different way this time.

Anyway, can't wait! Not only for your to start the KS, but for you to offer up the goblins which I hope will be either at or near the beginning. Maybe listing them on the page even if we're not to that level yet, etc.

RiTides, here's a Tre quote:

"Tentatively right now the first up are goign to be Cuthbert, Fergus, and the Wraith Knights. I need to confirm with Ed first and go over the plan again but this looks liek the best way forward. Cuthbert and Fergus will be character choices, the Wratih Knights will be a rank choice. I am going to be bouncing back and forth between the Aenglish and the Infernals at first and then move on to the Goblins. Got to get back to work for nwo. "

" One thing I am goign to be up-front about though is it is VERY likely that there will not be any Njorn or Aelfar in this campaign. Both of these are goign to be their own KS campaigns after this retool campaign is fulfilled."

"And as far as goblins go...... Wolf Riders = BIG yes. "

So, Yes on Ranks, and the Bonebacks I would guess would be either 4 or 6 models per rank.

I am crossing my fingers that Tre makes both hand-weapon/spear and archer Wolf Riders.

And Tre... howsabout rereleasing the Trolls like Rocklobber and Hogsquasher in Trollcast? I didn't get around to purchasing them and I love their sculpts.

Yeh the bonebacks will be in the early stages of the KS. I am a little worried about the goblin spearmen and archers though. They may be too thin front to back. I will probably bite the bullet and pay for the mould on those to make SURE they work before putting them through the KS to fund casting. Teh footmen are a little thicker than the spearmen front to back so I am nto worried about them at all.

Wolfriders..... well I REALLY want them to be in there but they will be amoung the last items as I want to retool as MUCH as possible of the Aenglish, the Wratih knights, the horrors, the troll brothers, and the dwarves as well. MAYBE the dwarves.

I also do nto want to completely overwhelm Ed. The guy is made of solid gold and bless him if he won't work himself to death trying to make everyone happy, I just don't want him to!

Okay, I'm excited about the bonebacks . I will likely be getting a whole heap to use as hobgoblins, then! (Hopefully they are 6 to a rank!)

I would love to see some wolf riders, so I hope we make it there.

I'm not worried about the smaller goblins not making it into this campaign- I think you have a good plan to either pay for the mold yourself for them, or possibly just leave them in metal.

You'd mentioned another bear riding goblin sculpt (I forget his name). Is a re-tool of the original, and a sculpt of a new version going to be in the kickstarter (and if so, early or late)? I think you'll have a ton of us wanting to buy him both versions, actually!

If the Trolls are in there I may be VERY tempted to hop on this Kickstarter.

The trolls WILL be inthere if the funding opportunity is there.

Rankls on the Bonebacks..... Well there may not be 12 total. I am havign soem trouble runnign down the masters for the first 4 so I may only retool the second 8. If I do that will be one " set ".

This KS is going to go by " sets " rather than ranks and heroes. You will be able to buy heroes individually or as a set of several ( the sets are specific though. ) but the " ranks " are sets in and of themselves. So there will be a set for ALL of the goblins, a set for the archers, a set for the spearmen, a set for the footmen and a set for the bonebacks. The troll brothers will be classed as 2 heroes each. All sets will have the same price point ( which i am still tryign to nail down ) and all heroes will have the same price point ( which I am also still trying to nail down. ) I want this campaign to be as clear as possible.

I am not sure about Bloodmaw and Horsebane. I have never been happy with that sculpt but if people really want it who am I to with hold it?

I am also going to set up a " shipping " item in my store that pledgers will be able to use to pay for early shipping on parts of their pledge as the parts arrive in stock. so as to avoid these long waits for product. I literally am running out of room in my office for all the product waiting to be shipped.

Yes to Bloodmaw and Horsebane. One of my favorite sculpts of all-time. I am tempted to get another; but have you thought of doing one or two variant sculpts of him to make a unit of goblins bear-riders? I'd be all over that.

I'm really happy the troll brothers will be available. Might pick up two sets.

And I definitely like the idea of either waiting til the end for one shipment, or paying a little extra to get shipping in waves.

Will you have the previous KS items available as add-ons? I would like to grab some Aenglish and another few Hels Riders and Dire Wolves.

Tre - very important question. If the goblins wind up being too thin... would you consider doing another run in metal of those guys? The archers were sold out by the time I got around to ordering the spearmen...

 tre manor wrote:
Ranks on the Bonebacks..... Well there may not be 12 total. I am havign soem trouble runnign down the masters for the first 4 so I may only retool the second 8. If I do that will be one " set ".

Pleeeeeeeeeeeease get all 12 made. Pretty please? I want to buy a ton of these to use in units of 40 apiece probably 2 units (so 80 models total). 12 sculpts means wayyyyy less repeats. So, I really hope you can fix the masters of the first 4, I think you'll sell gobs of these!

tre manor wrote:I am not sure about Bloodmaw and Horsebane. I have never been happy with that sculpt but if people really want it who am I to with hold it?

I thought they were your most popular sculpt!? I would really love to see this happen. Wolf riders are about equivalent or maybe even a little higher in my priority list, so I hope we can get to those!

Give the people what they want, right?
Looking forward to this going live!

 judgedoug wrote:
Will you have the previous KS items available as add-ons? I would like to grab some Aenglish and another few Hels Riders and Dire Wolves.

I hope that Tre doesn't include previous KS items. I mean, they WILL be sold through his webstore shortly. Giving discounts over and over and over again will just hurt RBG in the long run.

grefven wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:
Will you have the previous KS items available as add-ons? I would like to grab some Aenglish and another few Hels Riders and Dire Wolves.

I hope that Tre doesn't include previous KS items. I mean, they WILL be sold through his webstore shortly. Giving discounts over and over and over again will just hurt RBG in the long run.

I don't mind paying retail price, but as an add-on, as it'll go towards the KS funding.

Ed's posted a brief update:

Edward Fortae about 4 hours ago

Hey guy's I did not realize this was being talked about. I'm just doing some final tweaks and everything is going to be moving out very soon. We are building up the last horsemen parts, the witch (we changed it for better product for you, yes it was done but now improved), and the large conrad along with a new fenris (better design), and the armored eliete standard/musician. Those all were able to be improved while at the same time from feedback on packages shipped changed for better products.

Tre and I speak a lot and are working as a team to A) improve and B) change anything that seems to be a concern or possible problem for customers. So while these were still yet to be finished it was beneficial to rework them now to avoid problems and even further delays. It has been a big learning experience for me and him both and things are becoming much better.

Sounds like some work was done on packaging and the horsemen to resolve the spikes issues?

Well hoping to see a package from Tre soon, really looking forward to these for some times, thanks for the updates

 RiTides wrote:

 tre manor wrote:
Ranks on the Bonebacks..... Well there may not be 12 total. I am havign soem trouble runnign down the masters for the first 4 so I may only retool the second 8. If I do that will be one " set ".

Pleeeeeeeeeeeease get all 12 made. Pretty please? I want to buy a ton of these to use in units of 40 apiece probably 2 units (so 80 models total). 12 sculpts means wayyyyy less repeats. So, I really hope you can fix the masters of the first 4, I think you'll sell gobs of these!

tre manor wrote:I am not sure about Bloodmaw and Horsebane. I have never been happy with that sculpt but if people really want it who am I to with hold it?

I thought they were your most popular sculpt!? I would really love to see this happen. Wolf riders are about equivalent or maybe even a little higher in my priority list, so I hope we can get to those!

Give the people what they want, right?
Looking forward to this going live!

If it's one of the most popular sculpts, then it'd be silly to retire it. If you're not entirely happy with it, simply sculpt some more of them that you are happy with as fellow unit members or alternative sculpts. It seems the sort of thing that people could and would easily use either as a character model, or a unit of heavy(!) cavalry.

grefven wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:
Will you have the previous KS items available as add-ons? I would like to grab some Aenglish and another few Hels Riders and Dire Wolves.

I hope that Tre doesn't include previous KS items. I mean, they WILL be sold through his webstore shortly. Giving discounts over and over and over again will just hurt RBG in the long run.

In the context of a 30 or 40-day kickstarter campaign that's paying for new figures and retooling of molds, I disagree. If it were a bi-monthly/monthly/fortnightly/weekly 'WAREHOUSE-MOVE-SALE" or something, then I could see it hurting the brand. As something that literally happens about three times, not so much. Especially when it's raising more capital for something that's so long-term.

Well the problem of offering existign product as rewards in the KS for the purpose of funding NEW product is that it works against the effort because I still have to restock the existign product and stock the new product. better to let the new product fund on it's own or not.

I am wondering if people woudl like the idea of being able to pay a small amount to have their partial packages shipped or not.

 tre manor wrote:
Well the problem of offering existign product as rewards in the KS for the purpose of funding NEW product is that it works against the effort because I still have to restock the existign product and stock the new product. better to let the new product fund on it's own or not.

I am wondering if people woudl like the idea of being able to pay a small amount to have their partial packages shipped or not.

If you can work out a method through your store I'd be down with that - but can you do it without causing yourself endless headaches over paperwork and records?

Using the current kickstarter as an example I know the bulk of my order is ready and I'd be happy to pay to have it shipped.

I'd rather wait and get everything at once,

and presumably as you've got more of this run sculpted, and you and Ed know what some of the issues of the retooling will be this KS fulfillment will run smoother and faster

so my guess is reletivly few folk would take you up on split shipments (but if you've up for the extra admin that's not nessesarily reason not to offer it)

 tre manor wrote:
Well the problem of offering existign product as rewards in the KS for the purpose of funding NEW product is that it works against the effort because I still have to restock the existign product and stock the new product. better to let the new product fund on it's own or not.

I am wondering if people woudl like the idea of being able to pay a small amount to have their partial packages shipped or not.

Depends how you view it. Do you want as much money as possible for this or not? Also bear in mind that the Cavalry for example were funded as a later stretch goal, and some/many people were probably at the limit of their pledging $$ at that point. Also probably worth noting is that people won't all be interested in everything you're offering, so there might be people interested in just Goblins for example, who won't increase their pledges for the Aenglish, but would for some of the HelsVakt.

On the shipping extras, I'm personally rather dubious on it. When would things be sent out? As soon as they arrive, or would you be holding things for "another week or so" to save on shipping? Because of course, the rest of the figures from the first KS that were promised in October have been "a week or two away" for the last three months, with no sign of that changing anytime soon - we've had so many of the "almost done!!" messages from Ed at this point that they're now just more white noise. Paying for several batches of shipping would get to the point of may as well wait until they're out at retail. Maybe it'd be less of an issue for US customers, I don't know.

Probably doesn't matter for me anyway. With Ed's latest "almost done" post quoted above, I know there's no chance of my stuff from the previous KS arriving before this new one ends, so I won't be going in.

Scipio, from the many packages I've shipped to Aus, you could well be wrong. We'll see!

They usually arrive from the US in 7-14 days, and I get stuff sent from the US pretty much constantly. For some reason, my orders from RBG have always taken 4+ weeks. I have no idea why.

I could, maybe, see a point for seperate shippings, but it would all depend on the cost. Two shippings could mean, for an international backer, that you wont have to pay VAT and tax/duty since the value of the order might be lower than what the total value of when VAT/tax would be required. But it would be a different value depending on what nation you come from, so where it might apply to Swedish policy, it might not do for other countries.

 scipio.au wrote:
They usually arrive from the US in 7-14 days, and I get stuff sent from the US pretty much constantly. For some reason, my orders from RBG have always taken 4+ weeks. I have no idea why.

I should point out, it's not Tre' taking 2 weeks to send them out, either. I mean transit time.

I wonder if Tre's customer service skills will kick in and yours will be the first shipped.

I'm not too worried about multiple shipping things, it just seems like more of a headache. Plus we'll all be busy painting figs from the first KS...

This first KS was really the testing ground for the new material and sculpting process. While I will wait and see till I have the first KS in hand, it probably won't actually match the quality of the second run. Like anything in life, practice makes perfect and I can only imagine that the next run of retools will be far superior. Not only will Tre be modelling with a better understanding of the capabilities of the Trollforged stuff, but Ed will also be in a much better position having worked out some of the kinks in the process.

So I'm a little torn about likely not going through on the second KS as I understand intellectually that it doesn't really matter what I see from the first, as the second will be much better regardless of whether I have issues or not.

I also know I would be kicking myself if I missed the second KS and when the first finally arrives it turns out I love it and want more, and missed out. I usually find its easier for me to get over miss-spent money than it is to regret not spending the money at all.

Of course it's all conjecture at this point without a second KS to look at

Another review up on the KS page:

Thulsa about 10 hours ago

Got my mini today and I'm really liking the trollcast material. Only ordered 1 mini to check out the quality and I'll be ordering many more after this one. It's much better than Privateer Press plastics and better than the plastics used on the Zombicide board game by a mile, the details are sharp and well defined and the material cuts nicely for easy clean of which very little was needed. I'd say it's Finecast quality but with out the bubbles and it's much harder and tougher too.

Only criticism is that some areas on the cape (I ordered Belegast) were a little thin but can easily be thickened back up with a little green stuff, and the weapons seem a little too fragile for this material. Both these problems I'm sure will not be in newer sculpts as the newer sculpts can now be done with this in mind.

That sounds like pretty much what I was expecting, so Tre please take my moneyyyyy

 Surloch wrote:

I also know I would be kicking myself if I missed the second KS and when the first finally arrives it turns out I love it and want more, and missed out. I usually find its easier for me to get over miss-spent money than it is to regret not spending the money at all.
Of course it's all conjecture at this point without a second KS to look at

The figures from the second KS will still be available from Tre's webstore, and also various retailers. You could also simply pledge for whatever the "KS exclusive" figure is, as that's the only thing that's likely to disappear forever....

Here's a comparison photo with GW figs.
Moma Rotbelly's the tiny one in the middle.

 tre manor wrote:
Well the problem of offering existign product as rewards in the KS for the purpose of funding NEW product is that it works against the effort because I still have to restock the existign product and stock the new product. better to let the new product fund on it's own or not.

I am wondering if people woudl like the idea of being able to pay a small amount to have their partial packages shipped or not.

Existing minis - I don't really see how it works against the retooling effort as long as you make money on them (have very little discount if any at all).

Extra shipping - I'm at international shipping so I'd rather spend extra money on minis. Perhaps more suitable for US customers.

Bloodmaw and Horsebane yes please! And more goblin heroes. And all 12 bonebacks. And wolf riders. And trolls. And more! Oh, I am so excited about this.

Thanks for that photo, Swan! Bonebacks are bigger than night gobbos perfect for hobgoblins!

Pretty sure project owners can post up links to projects before they go live. Wonder if Tre might consider that to allow people to give some feedback / editing suggestions before general public comes in. Might be usefull to go over now before main page is locked in / rewards descriptions.

This is in no way a shameless attempt to see what is planned as soon as possible.