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2012/08/18 23:58:00
Subject: The Road to the Golden Throne GT (Game #1-p.2, #2+#3-p.3, #4+#5-p.4, #6-p.5, #7-p.6, #8-p.7)
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Fixture of Dakka
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 Texx wrote:Congrats Jy2! Strong list, good strategy and cool thinking, well deserved.  This was a great read and got me motivated to go to the smackdown tournament next month (never been to a tournament before).
Thanks!
You should definitely give it (the tournament) a try. I did and had a lot of fun. Just set your goal as having fun and meeting new people and you can't lose! And if you win, that's just a bonus. 
 Canadian 5th wrote:Judges at tournies, much like refs for sports, will always get some calls 'wrong' and the terrain was effected by a break in. I'm sure it'll be much improved next year.
In any case, congratulations to Jy2 on his first tourny victory. Nobody can say you haven't beaten the best anymore.
Yeah, there are a lot of judgement calls in these games because the rules are not always crystal clear. Sometimes the judges get them right. Sometimes they don't. But usually, it's both...the party the judge sides with thinks he made the right call and the party on the short end of the stick thinks he made the wrong call. Lol.
But I think judges are necessary in these types of events and that both parties need to respect his decisions whether they think it is right or not.
As for beating the best, I never really thought about that. To me, everyone is beatable. I've certainly lost my fair share and so have all my opponents I'm sure. I just enjoy the challenge of playing against good players.
 Godless-Mimicry wrote:The Coteaz call isn't surprising as it has always been that he can't use the ability from inside a vehicle.
But last I looked Mindshackles just makes them do D3+1 hits against themself, not you control them, so don't think you can activate his Force Weapon.
Hmmm....seems like it is not a consensus whether force weapons are affected my MSS.
Anyways, I want to thank sudojoe for opening a thread discussing this issue in YMDC.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/470619.page
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2012/08/21 20:55:13
Subject: The Road to the Golden Throne GT (Game #1-p.2, #2+#3-p.3, #4+#5-p.4, #6-p.5, #7-p.6, #8-p.7)
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Regular Dakkanaut
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 jy2 wrote:
tetsuo666 wrote:Good job Jy2
But as you say flyers create a big disadvantage for army which can't have DCA :-/
Thanks....but I'm not quite sure I follow your comment. Flyers create a big disadvantage for an army which can't have Death Cult Assassins?
oups sorry ! DCA means antiaircraft 
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2012/08/22 21:42:33
Subject: The Road to the Golden Throne GT (Game #1-p.2, #2+#3-p.3, #4+#5-p.4, #6-p.5, #7-p.6, #8-p.7)
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Fixture of Dakka
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Oh, alright.
Yeah, I don't consider a list balanced unless it has some form of 'DCA'. And unfortunately for most of the armies out there, DCA will be scarce in the early stages of 6E. It'll be a real tough time for them against scythe-crons.
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2012/08/30 12:00:24
Subject: Re:The Road to the Golden Throne GT (Game #1-p.2, #2+#3-p.3, #4+#5-p.4, #6-p.5, #7-p.6, #8-p.7)
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Wicked Canoptek Wraith
Where you least expect me
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My choose on an army list would be
1500 points
1 destroyer lord weave 140
5 warriors. 65
1 night scythe. 100
10 warriors. 130
1 triarch stalker with heavy Gauss cannon. 165
5 deathmarks 95
3 canoptek wraiths with 3 whipcoils 135
3 canoptek wraiths with 3 whipcoils 135
3 canoptek wraiths with 2 whipcoils 125
3 tomb blades with Gauss 100
1 annihilation barge with Gauss cannon. 90
1 annihilation barge with Gauss cannon. 90
1 doomsday ark. 175
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2012/08/31 20:56:16
Subject: Re:The Road to the Golden Throne GT (Game #1-p.2, #2+#3-p.3, #4+#5-p.4, #6-p.5, #7-p.6, #8-p.7)
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Fixture of Dakka
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 Necron123 wrote:My choose on an army list would be
1500 points
1 overlord with semp. weave and tachyon arrow. 135
5 warriors. 65
1 night scythe. 100
10 warriors. 130
1 triarch stalked with heavy Gauss cannon. 165
5 deathmarks. 95
3 canoptek wraiths with 3 whipcoils. 135
3 tomb blades with Gauss boasters. 60
1 monolith. 200
1 canoptek spyder with fab claws. 60
1 annihilation barge with Gauss cannon. 90
1 annihilation barge with Gauss cannon. 90
1 doomsday ark. 175
Your list is illegal. It's got too many Heavy Support units. You can only get 3 unless you get to 2000pts (then you can go double FOC's to get more heavy supports).
Also, the list is really light on troops. You should get more troops in. I recommend at least 3 troops at 1500. If you get rid of 2 of your heavy supports, that shouldn't be a problem. My recommendation would be to dump the spyder and either the monolith or doomsday ark and then use those points to add 1 more unit of troops and whatever else you want.
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2012/10/06 15:41:53
Subject: Re:The Road to the Golden Throne GT (Game #1-p.2, #2+#3-p.3, #4+#5-p.4, #6-p.5, #7-p.6, #8-p.7)
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Proud Triarch Praetorian
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Necron123 wrote:My choose on an army list would be
1500 points
1 overlord with semp. weave and tachyon arrow. 135
5 warriors. 65
1 night scythe. 100
10 warriors. 130
1 triarch stalked with heavy Gauss cannon. 165
5 deathmarks. 95
3 canoptek wraiths with 3 whipcoils. 135
3 tomb blades with Gauss boasters. 60
1 monolith. 200
1 canoptek spyder with fab claws. 60
1 annihilation barge with Gauss cannon. 90
1 annihilation barge with Gauss cannon. 90
1 doomsday ark. 175
this list suffers from what I like to referrer to as "just a little bit of everything" disease.
Also, it doesn't seem to have any clear direction... may want to think about what you want your army to do well, and build around that idea to best support it.
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2012/10/09 00:48:20
Subject: Re:The Road to the Golden Throne GT (Game #1-p.2, #2+#3-p.3, #4+#5-p.4, #6-p.5, #7-p.6, #8-p.7)
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Wicked Canoptek Wraith
Where you least expect me
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 skoffs wrote: Necron123 wrote:My choose on an army list would be
1500 points
1 overlord with semp. weave and tachyon arrow. 135
5 warriors. 65
1 night scythe. 100
10 warriors. 130
1 triarch stalked with heavy Gauss cannon. 165
5 deathmarks. 95
3 canoptek wraiths with 3 whipcoils. 135
3 tomb blades with Gauss boasters. 60
1 monolith. 200
1 canoptek spyder with fab claws. 60
1 annihilation barge with Gauss cannon. 90
1 annihilation barge with Gauss cannon. 90
1 doomsday ark. 175
this list suffers from what I like to referrer to as "just a little bit of everything" disease.
Also, it doesn't seem to have any clear direction... may want to think about what you want your army to do well, and build around that idea to best support it.
I fixed that and I have a better list than my old one.
Destroyer lord mss and weave 160
5 immortals 85
1 night scythe 100
5 immortals 85
1 night scythe 100
10 immortals 170
5 deathmarks 95
6 wraiths with 3 coils and 1 PC 245
6 wraiths with 2 coils 230
6 wraiths with 2 coils 230
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2012/10/09 02:33:55
Subject: Re:The Road to the Golden Throne GT (Game #1-p.2, #2+#3-p.3, #4+#5-p.4, #6-p.5, #7-p.6, #8-p.7)
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Proud Triarch Praetorian
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Necron123 wrote:I fixed that and I have a better list than my old one.
Destroyer lord mss and weave 160
5 immortals 85
1 night scythe 100
5 immortals 85
1 night scythe 100
10 immortals 170
5 deathmarks 95
6 wraiths with 3 coils and 1 PC 245
6 wraiths with 2 coils 230
6 wraiths with 2 coils 230
Why not just drop a single Immortal from the unit of 10, as well as removing the Particle Caster, so you can afford to give all three units of Wraiths 3 Coils each?
Also, not so sure about a single unit of Deathmarks with no Despair-tek support... I'd be more tempted to replace them with an Annihilation Barge.
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2012/10/09 21:38:56
Subject: Re:The Road to the Golden Throne GT (Game #1-p.2, #2+#3-p.3, #4+#5-p.4, #6-p.5, #7-p.6, #8-p.7)
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Wicked Canoptek Wraith
Where you least expect me
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skoffs wrote: Necron123 wrote:I fixed that and I have a better list than my old one.
Destroyer lord mss and weave 160
5 immortals 85
1 night scythe 100
5 immortals 85
1 night scythe 100
10 immortals 170
5 deathmarks 95
6 wraiths with 3 coils and 1 PC 245
6 wraiths with 2 coils 230
6 wraiths with 2 coils 230
Why not just drop a single Immortal from the unit of 10, as well as removing the Particle Caster, so you can afford to give all three units of Wraiths 3 Coils each?
Also, not so sure about a single unit of Deathmarks with no Despair-tek support... I'd be more tempted to replace them with an Annihilation Barge.
I will take your advise on the 3 coils but not with the Deathmarks. Annihilation barges have only one more gun than a night scythe. Deathmarks are meant for terminators.
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2012/10/10 00:18:02
Subject: The Road to the Golden Throne GT (Game #1-p.2, #2+#3-p.3, #4+#5-p.4, #6-p.5, #7-p.6, #8-p.7)
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Fixture of Dakka
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While I have not used Deathmarks before, one thing I do know is that I love the annihilation barges. They are such a good buy for only $.90. With the post-doom scythe FAQ, I think I may be running 2 AB's and 1 doom scythe in my future lists.
In any case, your list is pretty solid. Most armies will have problems dealing with that many wraiths at 1500.
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2012/10/10 08:02:42
Subject: Re:The Road to the Golden Throne GT (Game #1-p.2, #2+#3-p.3, #4+#5-p.4, #6-p.5, #7-p.6, #8-p.7)
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Proud Triarch Praetorian
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Necron123 wrote: skoffs wrote: Necron123 wrote:I fixed that and I have a better list than my old one.
Destroyer lord mss and weave 160
5 immortals 85
1 night scythe 100
5 immortals 85
1 night scythe 100
10 immortals 170
5 deathmarks 95
6 wraiths with 3 coils and 1 PC 245
6 wraiths with 2 coils 230
6 wraiths with 2 coils 230
Why not just drop a single Immortal from the unit of 10, as well as removing the Particle Caster, so you can afford to give all three units of Wraiths 3 Coils each?
Also, not so sure about a single unit of Deathmarks with no Despair-tek support... I'd be more tempted to replace them with an Annihilation Barge.
I will take your advise on the 3 coils but not with the Deathmarks. Annihilation barges have only one more gun than a night scythe. Deathmarks are meant for terminators.
Granted, I myself have never tried running a vanilla unit of 5 Deathmarks (I've only ever run them with attached Despair-teks, and when I drop that squad on the table, you know SOMETHING is gonna die), so it may well work out (at very least, you might be able to force a pinning test).
I guess I would just remind you that the Annihilation Barge has a bit more lastablilty, in that it has higher AV and you'll be able to use it immediately, unlike an army the relies entirely on Scythes for it's heavy weapons.
Regardless, I'll echo jy2 and say it's a decent Wraight-Wing build, so you should be able to hold your own well enough.
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2012/10/11 00:22:55
Subject: Re:The Road to the Golden Throne GT (Game #1-p.2, #2+#3-p.3, #4+#5-p.4, #6-p.5, #7-p.6, #8-p.7)
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Wicked Canoptek Wraith
Where you least expect me
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Then with the extra five points left over I can get akoher whip coil. The barge will work. Terminators will be killed in cc rather than range.
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