Relic Knights Kickstarter from Soda Pop - The Ongoing Update Thread!

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**cincydooley**

Sinful Hero wrote:
Candy will be made inhouse out of white metal- it will have nothing to do with slowing down the kickstarter.

I know; I meant design wise, which on second thought is foolish for me to say at this point because all the design delays happened a fair while ago.

I must say I'm not a huge fan of either model.

**Sinful Hero**

Personally, I'm not either. She seems a little too top heavy- even by SPM standards.

**DaveC**

I hadn't realised how expensive SPM shipping had become it's $16.75 in shipping for 1 $15 mini!

That puts this mini at a customs value of $31.75, it doesn't matter that technically it's a gift it has retail value of $15 and SPM declare actual values on their parcel, that's about €23 as that's above the VAT threshold here of €22 I could be hit with VAT at 23% plus €6 handling fee, the post office let a lot go but SPM stuff is always getting stopped on me.

All in my free mini would cost $32.15 (€23.80) to claim.

I'm not looking for free shipping but perhaps a reduced rate to keep it below the VAT threshold and avoid additional costs.

**Sinful Hero**

Are they not just shipping these with our pledges? Or are try actually going to ship them separately?

**Alpharius**

Yes, separately, ordered via the Soda Pop Store using a $15 credit they'll place into your Soda Pop Account.

**Dentry**

And! they will create a Soda Pop account for you and apply the credit if you don't have an existing account.

**Sinful Hero**

Bah, yes. Rereading it now even the "NOT" is bolded. I guess that!'a why they're using store credit instead of just shipping the extra model- it's more of a discount for international backers instead of a "free" model.

**Schmapdi**

OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
whereas I'll got the for leaping pose because of the micro sized contact point for the base with the charge pose

(votes were running neck and neck when I checked)

If she's metal - she'll probably have a slotta base I'd imagine?

**UNCLEBADTOUCH**

Hooray once again non US kickstarter backers get shafted.

**PsychoticStorm**

Do they realize they have international backers too? sigh this is ridiculous expensive for a "gift"

**DaveC**

OK conformation that the $15 is 1 per backer regardless of amount pledged, they are looking again at international shipping and the mini will be general release so available to all later.

From Deke via SPM forums

The Candy Heart credit is one per backer. It is not based on the pledge amount. However, this is not an exclusive miniature so you will be able to get more through the webstore if you want them.

For International Shipping we are working on a solution to make shipping to you more cost effective. I will provide an update as soon as I have details.

**DaveC**

New update coming to the Kickstarter soon, with the final production timeline.

Star Nebula Corsairs and Doctrine are finishing up this week.
Next week Noh Empire and Shattered Sword will be finishing.
The last week of March will see the remaining models such as Darkspace, Prismatics, and Boost Markers wrapped up.

After everything has finished being packaged it will start being shipped. We will continue to provide you updates as that process begins.

**Dentry**

Presumably when they say "After everything has finished being packaged it will start being shipped", they mean shipped to SPM for distribution to backers, right? Not shipped to us?

**Sinful Hero**

No, pretty sure they mentioned they'll do the packaging and sorting, then have it shipped out to the backers... So they should already have it at the packaging step? I guess?

**UNCLEBADTOUCH**

They mean shipped to the next convention to sell before the backers get it ;-)

**Zond**

I love finding out how SPM have fethed me again. I'll be glad when I get my refund.

**Alpharius**

Huh?

What did we miss?

How did they screw you?

**spiralingcadaver**

Maybe that the LE models aren't going to be LE any more (re: SDE announcements)?

**Cyporiean**

That'd be my guess:

DaveC wrote:
That puts the RK minis issue to bed it's fair enough I don't have an issue with that as an RK backer

Creator Soda Pop Miniatures less than a minute ago
The Relic Knight SDE models will not be part of this Kickstarter. However, we have come to the decision that AFTER all Relic Knight backers have received their entire pledges we will make them available through our web store.
-Deke

Which its still likely that they'll be limited, I doubt they got an exact run with no overages.

**Dentry**

^ I'd love to hear something like this from Adam Poots. "Everything, available all the time!"

**Zond**

Oh I don't care about that. As soon as I noticed my free gift for sticking with SPM throughout this debacle was going to cost me more in shipping I put in my refund.

**Joyboozer**

I asked for a refund back in December and was told by Deke no as they were about to begin shipping.

**Zond**

Well shipping still hasn't begun so I think that argument is right out.

**RiTides**

DaveC wrote:
New update coming to the Kickstarter soon, with the final production timeline.

Star Nebula Corsairs and Doctrine are finishing up this week.
Next week Noh Empire and Shattered Sword will be finishing.
The last week of March will see the remaining models such as Darkspace, Prismatics, and Boost Markers wrapped up.

After everything has finished being packaged it will start being shipped. We will continue to provide you updates as that process begins.

Given that this was posted on a Friday, I think they're double counting one of the weeks in March

and just didn't want to say production would continue into April.

**miniholic**

Joyboozer wrote:
I asked for a refund back in December and was told by Deke no as they were about to begin shipping.

I asked last week for a refound and I still don't have any answer.
They seem to treat backers as kindly as RH!

Not good at all...
Ach, another company with a first and last deal forever, better for my pourse!

**DaveC**

Well the split is official (in case anyone hadn't heard

)

CMoN will fulfill the Relic Knights KS and then transfer the remaining stock to SPM. It looks like Ninja Division will be responsible for any customer service issues that arise - oh messy!

https://www.facebook.com/coolminiornot/posts/10152029190137877?ref=notif¬if_t=notify_me

March 19, 2014

Soda Pop Miniatures and CoolMiniOrNot announce the ending of the publishing relationship of Soda Pop Miniatures titles Super Dungeon Explore™ and Relic Knights™.

“We are happy with the cooperative effort with CoolMiniOrNot over the past 3 years as publishers of our titles Super Dungeon Explore™ and Relic Knights™”, said John Cadice, Creative Director of Ninja Division*. “We are now looking forward to self-publishing these titles and bringing great games to our fans everywhere!”

“As agreed with Soda Pop Miniatures, we will finish fulfilling all existing orders on these titles including those on the Relic Knights Kickstarter, and transfer full control and inventory to Soda Pop Miniatures in an orderly fashion in the coming weeks,” added Chern Ann Ng, Director at CoolMiniOrNot. “The team at CoolMiniOrNot has greatly enjoyed publishing these excellent titles. We wish Soda Pop Miniatures and Ninja Division all the best on their future plans.”

Please direct product inquiries for Super Dungeon Explore™ and Relic Knights™ to sales@ninjadivision.com.

**Sinful Hero**

Well, at least it didn't end in a screaming cussfight(as far as we know). Hope this doesn't affect shipping...

**Dr Mathias**

Can someone explain the difference between Soda Pop and Ninja Division?

**Theophony**

Dr Mathias wrote:
Can someone explain the difference between Soda Pop and Ninja Division?

Right cheek and left cheek.

**DaveC**

Ninja Division is going to be the new publishing arm - manufacturing, distribution that sort of thing (although they were originally set up as a design studio to side step Soda Pops agreements with CMoN and allow some of the same people to work on other non CMoN published projects, I'm not sure where the 3rd party design work fits into the new structure they still have 2 outside projects on the go) and Soda Pop Miniatures is the design studio - miniatures, rules etc.

They have more or less the same staff/owners in any case. You'll often hear people refer to them as Ninja Pop for that reason.