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2014/03/20 00:40:13
Subject: Re:Relic Knights Kickstarter from Soda Pop - The Ongoing Update Thread!
1) I remain a fan of SP/ND and Relic Knights
2) Here's a video from GAMA (?) that talks about SDE and RK:
3) Some interesting comments about RK are:
A) "...coming this summer for all of our backers." - Summer? I was thinking this was going to finally ship before that?
B) "...that we Kickstarted a little over a year ago." - RK KS launched in August of...2012 and finished in September of...2012.
Still really looking forward to this though, but...
2014/03/22 18:48:19
Subject: Relic Knights Kickstarter from Soda Pop - The Ongoing Update Thread!
I am sadly not really looking forward to it anymore. I guess I will be pretty excited when my stuff gets here, but it has just been so long I can't bring myself to feel upbeat about it at all, even when new pictures etc. come out. Maybe that means I shouldn't have pledged in the first place, or just am at a different place in my life now, but whatever the reason, I just can't care now.
The poll to choose the pose for Candy Heart hasn't even clsoed yet. Backers get the credit when the mini is in production.
Once the pose has been chosen Soda Pop will finalize the sculpt. The digital file will then been sent to get a 3D master. Once we have approved the master, production will begin. At this time all backers will receive a $15 credit in the Soda Pop Store. This credit may be redeemed for Candy Heart or for any product in our store.
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2014/03/22 21:55:16
Subject: Relic Knights Kickstarter from Soda Pop - The Ongoing Update Thread!
DaveC wrote: The poll to choose the pose for Candy Heart hasn't even clsoed yet. Backers get the credit when the mini is in production.
Once the pose has been chosen Soda Pop will finalize the sculpt. The digital file will then been sent to get a 3D master. Once we have approved the master, production will begin. At this time all backers will receive a $15 credit in the Soda Pop Store. This credit may be redeemed for Candy Heart or for any product in our store.
I guess my reading of "at this time" was wrong.
2014/03/22 22:21:13
Subject: Relic Knights Kickstarter from Soda Pop - The Ongoing Update Thread!
It's still a discount outside the US. I imagine we'll have to pay shipping too.
Shipping and customs charges will exceed the value of the item itself for those of us in the Uk, we are actually better off not using the credit at all.
It's still a discount outside the US. I imagine we'll have to pay shipping too.
Shipping and customs charges will exceed the value of the item itself for those of us in the Uk, we are actually better off not using the credit at all.
Whether or not you have $15 off those charges will be applied. It's part of ordering items from companies based out of another country. If I order something from Europe it's going to cost more to ship to me than something from California. Everyone gets the same amount discounted- it's just that US citizens don't pay more from buying from a US-based company.
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It's still a discount outside the US. I imagine we'll have to pay shipping too.
Shipping and customs charges will exceed the value of the item itself for those of us in the Uk, we are actually better off not using the credit at all.
Whether or not you have $15 off those charges will be applied. It's part of ordering items from companies based out of another country. If I order something from Europe it's going to cost more to ship to me than something from California. Everyone gets the same amount discounted- it's just that US citizens don't pay more from buying from a US-based company.
Your obviously struggling to grasp a very simple concept, it's not like we are simply getting less discount it's the fact that to accept that offer actually puts us at a loss. We are better off not accepting it in the first place. It is not worth the $30 in charges to get a $15 mini.
I'd far rather have to option of choosing whether on not to spend my credit than not having the credit at all
(and I could always choose to use it for a mate in the USA as a birthday/Xmas present or part exchange on a trade if I don't want to spend it myself)
The cost of shipping is included when assessing the threshold so will make it liable.
As per HMRC website
Value Added Tax (VAT) - Import VAT is charged at the same rate that applies to similar goods sold in the UK and applies to commercial goods over £15 in value, and on gifts that are over £36 in value. However, please note that commercial consignments sent to the UK from the Channel Islands do not benefit from any relief of import VAT. The value of the goods for import VAT is based on the:
basic value of goods, plus
postage, packing and insurance, plus
any import (Customs or Excise) duties charged
It's still a discount outside the US. I imagine we'll have to pay shipping too.
Shipping and customs charges will exceed the value of the item itself for those of us in the Uk, we are actually better off not using the credit at all.
Whether or not you have $15 off those charges will be applied. It's part of ordering items from companies based out of another country. If I order something from Europe it's going to cost more to ship to me than something from California. Everyone gets the same amount discounted- it's just that US citizens don't pay more from buying from a US-based company.
Your obviously struggling to grasp a very simple concept, it's not like we are simply getting less discount it's the fact that to accept that offer actually puts us at a loss. We are better off not accepting it in the first place. It is not worth the $30 in charges to get a $15 mini.
Then help me understand- if you want the miniature, and want to buy it, how is $15 off make it more expensive? SPM is not giving away a free mini, but offering a discount.
Sinful Hero wrote: Then help me understand- if you want the miniature, and want to buy it, how is $15 off make it more expensive? SPM is not giving away a free mini, but offering a discount.
Offering a free mini is exactly what SP is doing. Except that for non-US backers the cost to claim our free mini is more than the value of the mini itself.
The old meta is dead and the new meta struggles to be born. Now is the time of munchkins.
2014/03/23 14:55:09
Subject: Relic Knights Kickstarter from Soda Pop - The Ongoing Update Thread!
Sinful Hero wrote: Then help me understand- if you want the miniature, and want to buy it, how is $15 off make it more expensive? SPM is not giving away a free mini, but offering a discount.
Offering a free mini is exactly what SP is doing. Except that for non-US backers the cost to claim our free mini is more than the value of the mini itself.
Not exactly. They're offering $15 that you can use on anything in the store- they just so happen to also be releasing Candy for $15 at the same time-which they expect you to spend it on. But you can use it in anything, not just miniatures.
Sinful Hero wrote: Then help me understand- if you want the miniature, and want to buy it, how is $15 off make it more expensive? SPM is not giving away a free mini, but offering a discount.
Offering a free mini is exactly what SP is doing. Except that for non-US backers the cost to claim our free mini is more than the value of the mini itself.
Not exactly. They're offering $15 that you can use on anything in the store- they just so happen to also be releasing Candy for $15 at the same time-which they expect you to spend it on. But you can use it in anything, not just miniatures.
Even if we go in that rules lawyer approach, for most things offered, the cost of shipping and import taxes is more than the discount offered.
2014/03/23 16:47:12
Subject: Relic Knights Kickstarter from Soda Pop - The Ongoing Update Thread!
Sinful Hero wrote: Then help me understand- if you want the miniature, and want to buy it, how is $15 off make it more expensive? SPM is not giving away a free mini, but offering a discount.
Offering a free mini is exactly what SP is doing. Except that for non-US backers the cost to claim our free mini is more than the value of the mini itself.
Not exactly. They're offering $15 that you can use on anything in the store- they just so happen to also be releasing Candy for $15 at the same time-which they expect you to spend it on. But you can use it in anything, not just miniatures.
Even if we go in that rules lawyer approach, for most things offered, the cost of shipping and import taxes is more than the discount offered.
There's no rules lawyering about it- they specifically mentioned you can use it on whatever you want. The cost of shipping and import taxes would be applied whether or not you have $15 off or not. Everyone in the US has to pay shipping as well. No one is getting it free.
I'd far rather have to option of choosing whether on not to spend my credit than not having the credit at all
(and I could always choose to use it for a mate in the USA as a birthday/Xmas present or part exchange on a trade if I don't want to spend it myself)
The cost of shipping is included when assessing the threshold so will make it liable.
As per HMRC website
Value Added Tax (VAT) - Import VAT is charged at the same rate that applies to similar goods sold in the UK and applies to commercial goods over £15 in value, and on gifts that are over £36 in value. However, please note that commercial consignments sent to the UK from the Channel Islands do not benefit from any relief of import VAT. The value of the goods for import VAT is based on the:
basic value of goods, plus
postage, packing and insurance, plus
any import (Customs or Excise) duties charged
oops you're right, I was aware f the above but I was thinking of
Waiver of customs duty of less than £9 - Article 868 of EC Regulation (EEC) 2454/93 allows Member States to waive amounts of customs duty of less than 10 euros (sterling equivalent of £9).
(but that's on the Duty not the VAT)
2014/03/23 17:13:39
Subject: Relic Knights Kickstarter from Soda Pop - The Ongoing Update Thread!
Wow I'm going to have to get the chalk board out In minute.
Backers in the USA gain a benefit, the USA shipping is less than the value of the mini. Those backers end up in positive position compared to not taking up the offer.
Backers outside the USA face charges that are in excess of the value of the miniature. These backers end up in a negative position compared to not taking up the offer.
So only USA backers actually gain from this offer.
Automatically Appended Next Post: @orlando if it's a gift rather than a purchase then they wave the shipping costs up to £36 ish iirc in terms of duty but these aren't gifts.
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SPM do not mark items as gifts they state actual retail value on the packing however they generally don't state it inclusive of shipping costs so if customs are doing only a quick check they might only see $15 and let it through, I've had this happen recently where it would have otherwise been over had the shipping been noticed and added.
A company can not send a gift for customs purposes, they must be from a private individual to a private inidividual, they can send commercial samples but that's a different matter. I've noticed that SPMs stuff tends to get shipped in Deke's name maybe that's part of the reason? EDIT: Actually it's both first line of senders details is Soda Pop Miniatures second line is Deke.
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2014/03/23 18:12:38
Subject: Relic Knights Kickstarter from Soda Pop - The Ongoing Update Thread!
UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote: Wow I'm going to have to get the chalk board out In minute.
Backers in the USA gain a benefit, the USA shipping is less than the value of the mini. Those backers end up in positive position compared to not taking up the offer.
Backers outside the USA face charges that are in excess of the value of the miniature. These backers end up in a negative position compared to not taking up the offer.
So only USA backers actually gain from this offer.
Automatically Appended Next Post: @orlando if it's a gift rather than a purchase then they wave the shipping costs up to £36 ish iirc in terms of duty but these aren't gifts.
So how much is it without the $15? I understand that the shipping and other charges are more than the discount, but it's still $15 off no matter when or what you use it on. It's $15 you didn't have before, whether you use it or not.
@sinful hero your obviously trolling or have failed to understand what I posted in very simple terms.
Once again, if a UK backer uses the offered 'credit' on a $15 miniature they will incur a cost of approx $34 dollars to receive the miniature. So in real terms they haven't given a credit, simply an opportunity to lose money.
If you think that's a good thing then I think that will be end of the conversation.
I think we have some crossed wires, or you're not understanding my point- If the miniature is $34 without the credit, it will be $49 with would it not? If you want the miniature, you save $15. You are not required to spend the money at all, but if you do want to use the credit you save that money you would otherwise spend. I just disagree with your assertion that it's a detriment- they are not requiring you to use the credit if you don't want to, but if you ever want to make a purchase you have $15 credit to use.
At a glance, it's not much of an apology if it only goes out to some backers. That becomes less of a "thank you" and more of a "thank you for living in the US, or being willing to eat a massive S&H/duty/import fee!"
$15 credit that costs me $20-40+ to use isn't much of a credit. It's a discount at best.
So if one group is getting something 'free' and another group is getting 'thanks for all the help, would you like a coupon', it seems pretty reasonable for Group 2 to be frustrated. Yes, there are realities present regarding international shipping that none of us can control, but I don't see why they aren't simply pumping out enough of them for all the backers and firing them over to the packaging location.
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