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So let me get this right: they are more 20mm than 28mm? Either way the scale is better for what I want so I will be getting into this rather than FoW (doesn't mean I won't later )

I did have a look at the british para's and they were a little smaller than 28mm it seemed.

Also the British book to be released will contain ALL british forces?

 Brother-Captain Scotti wrote:
So let me get this right: they are more 20mm than 28mm? Either way the scale is better for what I want so I will be getting into this rather than FoW (doesn't mean I won't later )

I did have a look at the british para's and they were a little smaller than 28mm it seemed.

Also the British book to be released will contain ALL british forces?

The British book and all others are comprehensive, not everything is included, but what is missing are really obscure things.
I have even included some prototypes in the Japanese book...

The scale discussion is an endless thing, IMO it basically boiled down to your preferences and taste. I have 28mm, 20mm and 15mm WW II minis and like them all.
http://www.adpublishing.de/html/ww2.html
Right now I like to play with 15mm more.

 AAN wrote:

 Brother-Captain Scotti wrote:
So let me get this right: they are more 20mm than 28mm? Either way the scale is better for what I want so I will be getting into this rather than FoW (doesn't mean I won't later )

I did have a look at the british para's and they were a little smaller than 28mm it seemed.

Also the British book to be released will contain ALL british forces?

The British book and all others are comprehensive, not everything is included, but what is missing are really obscure things.
I have even included some prototypes in the Japanese book...

The scale discussion is an endless thing, IMO it basically boiled down to your preferences and taste. I have 28mm, 20mm and 15mm WW II minis and like them all.
http://www.adpublishing.de/html/ww2.html
Right now I like to play with 15mm more.

Excellent, thanks for the info!
One last question, would it be possible for me to run 1000pts of combined para's and standard brits or is that not allowed?

 frozenwastes wrote:
It's one extra marker near or on a model on a base.

What a small inconvenience in order to be able to play against anyone with a FoW army.

So far everyone who has used Bolt Action with their existing Flames of War collection and reported back (be it on boltaction.net, TMP or on blogs) has reported no real issues with integrating the multi-model bases.

I'm still going to base my own collection individually, but it's not some huge hassle for me to invite FoW players to give the game a try with their existing collection.

I understand AAN has a commercial interest in poking holes in the idea in order to sell his own Victory Decision game, but why is anyone else making a mountain out of this molehill?

And why are you getting your panties in a bunch on a discussion board. No one is poking holes in anything, just offering observations after playing the game with various scales.

And sure, no one might mind an extra chit or die next to a base, but after having played and watched a 15mm game, 3 or 4 marker dice sitting behind or next to the multi-base seemed cluttered when there were several bases in proximity. Again YMMV.

The great thing about all of these rulesets is that you don't need multiple collections to play them, and there is plenty of choice in rules and scale. I've just picked up a bunch of 20mm for BA myself, even though I have extensive FOW armies already.

 Brother-Captain Scotti wrote:

One last question, would it be possible for me to run 1000pts of combined para's and standard brits or is that not allowed?

YES, the British list in the BA rulebook allows it. You have in fact 1 entry for Infantry and one for Veteran Infantry covering Commandos, Paras and Marines.
Your reinforced platoon consists of 2 infantry squads and 0-3 additional squads.
Each squad is between 5 and 10 men.

I have no clue if the upcoming British army book will allow it.

 AAN wrote:


YES, the British list in the BA rulebook allows it. You have in fact 1 entry for Infantry and one for Veteran Infantry covering Commandos, Paras and Marines.
Your reinforced platoon consists of 2 infantry squads and 0-3 additional squads.
Each squad is between 5 and 10 men.

I have no clue if the upcoming British army book will allow it.

AAN,

The above advice is accurate.

However...I think it is inappropriate for you to be giving advice, confusing posters about YOUR GAME Victory Decision and Bolt Action, and jumping in to discussions for a commercially competitive product portraying your self (either intentionally or in-intentionally) as merely another customer.

PLEASE STOP.

BTW I own and play VD. I like it but I think your intervention here is bad form.

 AAN wrote:

 frozenwastes wrote:
The first post, absolutely. The 2nd was strange though, with getting the game rules wrong to present a problem and then offer an alternative rules set as the solution.

Well my 2nd post was based on an older version of the rules and was simply wrong! But please do not read any malice into everything...

Well, you are a publisher of a competing rules set posting with your gigantic banner advertising it in a thread about Bolt Action news. When you started misrepresenting the rules, I thought it was a bit fishy.

Glad to hear that wasn't the case.

 AAN wrote:

 Brother-Captain Scotti wrote:

One last question, would it be possible for me to run 1000pts of combined para's and standard brits or is that not allowed?

YES, the British list in the BA rulebook allows it. You have in fact 1 entry for Infantry and one for Veteran Infantry covering Commandos, Paras and Marines.
Your reinforced platoon consists of 2 infantry squads and 0-3 additional squads.
Each squad is between 5 and 10 men.

I have no clue if the upcoming British army book will allow it.

Cheers dude I see no reason for them to change it but will stick to just para's until the new book

Sheck2 wrote:

The above advice is accurate.

However...I think it is inappropriate for you to be giving advice, confusing posters about YOUR GAME Victory Decision and Bolt Action, and jumping in to discussions for a commercially competitive product portraying your self (either intentionally or in-intentionally) as merely another customer.

PLEASE STOP.

BTW I own and play VD. I like it but I think your intervention here is bad form.

He hasn't really done that at all, and the giant banner and post content clearly identifies him as the guy who owns/runs VD. He's also stated that he has interests in BA. I think it's inappropriate for a poster here to be (trying to) tell another poster here what they should and shold not do, regardless of whether they're "just" a customer or instead are involved in a company. Better clear all of the other people involved in the industry out of here as well, no?

let's all stay calm and polite please people.

Thanks !

Sheck2 wrote:

...I think it is inappropriate for you to be giving advice, confusing posters about YOUR GAME Victory Decision and Bolt Action, and jumping in to discussions for a commercially competitive product portraying your self (either intentionally or in-intentionally) as merely another customer.
PLEASE STOP.
BTW I own and play VD. I like it but I think your intervention here is bad form.

OK, I will stop after this posting.

Just some thoughts to get things straight from my side.
It was never my intention to criticize BA, on the contrary! I am also involved in BA, I want this game to succeed too.
The comparison with my game was only meant as an explanation, I like both the design approach of BA and of course the design approach of my game. Both are on a very similar abstraction level and - at least IMO - are equally fun.

So no fishy intention from me, simply some infos I wanted to share.

BTW - there is much less competition between game companies/ designers as you might thing.
I got involved in BA via Andy Hoare. I know him since the days when he wrote the Witchunter Codex together with Graham.
I was one of the playtesters and once in a while we mail each other.
Alessio was asking his buddies if someone can help writing the Japanese supplement of BA. Andy recommended me since he knew that I wrote Pacific War theatre books for Victory Decision and World at War.
So Alessio contacted me in January and we skyped two times about the project.
We agreed that I would write the Japanese book.
He gave me the drafted rule books (very basic layout, and that's were my error above came from) and I started work.
The Japanese book is now with him and he paid me asap. We have done this all without any contract, bills or whatever.
Just good old agreement and trust! An absolute pleasure to deal with!

So maybe you can imagine that I have NO interest at all to make BA seen in a bad light!!!
At the time when the topic popped up I knew that not many would have too much infos and thought that some input from my side would be welcome.
If this is too much confusing because of my own rule system I apologize and - as said above - will stop doing so.

I really like what I see in BA, and with the new chaos dex leaving a bad taste in my mouth for 40k I very likely will buy the starter set and give it a try.

I can't wait to buy a 28 mm BB for like 2000$

Cool news about the Japanese book AAN. I'll definitely be getting a copy of all the books for Bolt Action as they are released.

@Deathshead420 - Bolt Action, rules wise, will be very familiar to you as a 40k player. But imagine it all designed at once so there's no codex revisions/creep/balance issues, and with a turn structure where you alternate activating units between sides based on pulling dice out of a cup. And then add in the ability to do true overwatch with an Ambush order so you can interrupt your opponent as they walk into the open in front of your guys with guns.

WW2 is also the largest conflict in human history (and hopefully stays that way as we certainly don't want an even larger one). There's literally everything occurring somewhere during the war. The stories of actual people who went through it are amazing and will definitely out do the terrible fanfic approach to GW codex fiction that they've been doing lately.

You'll also probably be shocked at the low prices in historicals as well. And you can still get metal miniatures to your heart's content.

And no chaos space dragons.

How well do the tanks assemble?

 Deathshead420 wrote:
How well do the tanks assemble?

http://www.boltaction.net/2012/09/warlord-games-stug-iii-product-review.html?m=1

That should help. Im super excited about bolt action.

 AAN wrote:

OK, I will stop after this posting.

Yeah, I'm going to make a request as well.

DO NOT STOP posting in this thread or any others. I for one find your posts interesting and/or informative, and would find it disappointing to say the least if you allow one person on the internet to bully you into no longer posting on this topic. If it comes to it, this forum has moderators who are more than capable of telling people when it's time to "STOP" posting about any given topic. Considering the guy telling you to stop actually agrees that your post that he was replying to was accurate, and that he simply thinks of it as a "conflict of interest", it's a poor reason to no longer post on the topic.

 scipio.au wrote:

 AAN wrote:

OK, I will stop after this posting.

Yeah, I'm going to make a request as well.

DO NOT STOP posting in this thread or any others. I for one find your posts interesting and/or informative, and would find it disappointing to say the least if you allow one person on the internet to bully you into no longer posting on this topic. If it comes to it, this forum has moderators who are more than capable of telling people when it's time to "STOP" posting about any given topic. Considering the guy telling you to stop actually agrees that your post that he was replying to was accurate, and that he simply thinks of it as a "conflict of interest", it's a poor reason to no longer post on the topic.

Here Here!
Seriously though why would he try to down one system over another? Its not like your miniatures are tied down to one rule book. I'm going to invest money into models and I'll be danged if I dont use them to their full potential by playing every WW2 game system around.

Definitely don't stop AAN. I misinterpreted your post.

Nice website. Really liking what I see, although I'm too poor at the moment.to buy anything. I have an inkling for a platoon of Marines and a couple transports though.

OK, count me still in...

 Deathshead420 wrote:
How well do the tanks assemble?

Very easy (as described above also). I own a lot of BAM vehicles and painted my share...
Most vehicles here (http://www.adpublishing.de/html/late_war_british.html) are BAM.


Usually the tanks consists of a resin hull and turret, metal tracks and guns plus some smaller metal parts (MGs, hatches etc).
Smaller kits like the Bren Carrier are one piece castings with metal driver and MG.

Recommended !!!

Mailman just brought in my copy of the core rulebook. An interesting format size akin to Tomorrow's War, smaller than the Hail Caesar and Black Powder books, probably due to Osprey being the publisher, thus wanting everything in a universal size.

A quick leaf through reveals one of my favourite things about Osprey books: Their trademark art!

I'm going to enjoy this one a lot.

Guys, I have some praise for the guys at Warlord.
I got a best friend that I only get to see twice a year or so and I wanted to play the bolt action starter set with him but the thing is, he comes October the 14th and the starter set doesn't come out until mid November. So I put what contents would be in the starter set into the online shopping cart, 1 box germans, 1 box americans and the rulebook/dice combo, and its $117. Thats more than my hobby budget for the month so I e-mailed them last night to help me out and they sure did, they offerd a large discount so I can even have it shipped overnight so I can get everything ready for when my buddy comes down.
Warlord proved itself to me today to be a good company and will have a life long customer in me and I'm sure my buddy John aswell. Thanks Warlord and Andy who threw me the bone.

Thats more than my hobby budget for the month so I e-mailed them last night to help me out and they sure did, they offerd a large discount so I can even have it shipped overnight so I can get everything ready for when my buddy comes down.

After reading this I got the bright idea to try this with GW. So I understood most of what the rep said but I have 2 questions, what's a Eversor assassin, and what is Exterminatus? Because they said that i would be paid a visit by both in the near future.

Warlord proved itself to me today to be a good company and will have a life long customer in me and I'm sure my buddy John aswell. Thanks Warlord and Andy who threw me the bone.

That is really awesome, makes me want some even more now.

Just wanted to chime in with my 2 cents. Having been in the game industry for over 10 years now, I can tell you that most of the smaller UK based companies are all friends with one another. You don't get the same kind of animosity you get with the larger companies.

We just opened up the Warlord Games North American office here in the states this last Summer and we distribute for several of the smaller UK companies now. Even ones that would be considered direct competition.




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Also, for those of you in the states, the fact we are here now will increase the availability of our product.
We also have a volunteer program to demo the game similar to the old Outrider program so if you are interested or know of a store that wants to carry our product please contact me for the details.

Thank you,

I've been collecting up Brits, Germans and now some Americans in 28mm to do multiple duty across proper WWII games like Bolt Action and even WWW2 like Incursion/SotTR/Tannhauser/Dust (hell, they can serve in the Imperial Guard as well for that matter!).

I've got to say though, that the idea of grabbing a couple of blisters of little FoW men and basing them individually for some "large scale" BA games appeals to me more and more every time I think about it. Especially as it'll make adding a couple of tanks per side trivial.

Something for ease of movement, or those too lazy to do it properly: http://www.warlordgames.com/store/bolt-action-support-bases.html

 BrookM wrote:
Something for ease of movement, or those too lazy to do it properly: http://www.warlordgames.com/store/bolt-action-support-bases.html

Looks like a big FoW base in a way!
All the more reasons to get some 15mm minis and play as scipio.au said...

I wonder, will the American source book include the Winchester shotgun for their USMC squads? Bit of a dick move that they show you the weapons table flanked by a US marine with shotgun, but no ability to use them!

Also a bit miffed that the Japanese aren't in the book. :(

The lists in the rule book are just the basic rules for each. The army books will go into a lot more detail for each unit with more options and special rules.

Also soon the basic lists for Japan and others will be up on the website. I don't have an exact date, but soon.

Yay, the promise of these is enough of a morale booster right now. Thanks for the great news!