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I am starting to get into the Dark Angel fluff, and I was wondering if the Inquisition was aware of the Fallen. As the fluff states it is a closely regarded secret that only a few of their number know about, would it be possible that the Inquisition is not aware of them?

It seems like awesome justification for running a Grey Knight an Dark angel force.

I don't think the Inquisition knows about The Fallen. It's the Dark Angels' "big secret" that they don't want anyone finding out about.

As far as we know the Inquisition suspects something is up, but have no idea about the Fallen. And the Dark Angels take some pretty extreme steps to make sure that knowledge is kept secret.

If memory serves in one of the Space Wolf books they talk about the DA keeping the Inquisition out of the Rock and how the Inquisitors suspect something.

It's hypothetically possible that some random inquisitor out there does know, but the Inquisition at large is unaware. It's not inconcievable that some Malleus inquisitor or Grey Knight stumbled upon a Fallen before the Unforgiven could get hold of him.

Several inquisitors know about the fallen. Thats not the great secret. Every chapter had some that went rogue, but the extent of the fall now thats another story. and having the fallen interrogated by someone not a DA chaplain, not knowing what they know of other secrets....big no-no

The Inquisition always suspects something.

But no one ever expects them.

The big plot twist for the DAs is the awkward moment that's coming where it will be revealed that the Inquisition knew all along but really isn't bothered.

'Oh yeah, *that* thing? We'd almost forgotten about it. Don't worry, dude, your Chapter's shown its loyalty over the past ten thousand years... it was only a few guys anyway. We've let the Blood Ravens off for less.'

Then the DAs will succumb to massive emo depression once they realise all the trouble they went to for nothing...

The Dark Angels have gone as far as to destroy a Black Templars ship after they came across a fallen. So if a Inquisitor did manage to find out, he would likely "get lost in the warp"

 NuclearMessiah wrote:
The Dark Angels have gone as far as to destroy a Black Templars ship after they came across a fallen. So if a Inquisitor did manage to find out, he would likely "get lost in the warp"

If you're talking about the Ophidium Gulf Crusade, that's still up for debate whether the DA destroyed the Black Templars ship. They only threatened to fire on the ship if the BT wouldnt hand over the fallen they got their hands on. After the two forces parted, the Ophidium Gulf "mysteriously dissappeared".

 Ronin wrote:

 NuclearMessiah wrote:
The Dark Angels have gone as far as to destroy a Black Templars ship after they came across a fallen. So if a Inquisitor did manage to find out, he would likely "get lost in the warp"

If you're talking about the Ophidium Gulf Crusade, that's still up for debate whether the DA destroyed the Black Templars ship. They only threatened to fire on the ship if the BT wouldnt hand over the fallen they got their hands on. After the two forces parted, the Ophidium Gulf "mysteriously dissappeared".

Ok well it is heavily implied then

There certainly is some suspicion. I recall how GW fluff mentioned the Dark Angels tending to withdraw their forces from the battlefield and quickly disappear as soon as they are approached by members of either the Inquisition or the Ecclesiarchy. Surely this "trend" wouldn't go unnoticed.

 NuclearMessiah wrote:

 Ronin wrote:

 NuclearMessiah wrote:
The Dark Angels have gone as far as to destroy a Black Templars ship after they came across a fallen. So if a Inquisitor did manage to find out, he would likely "get lost in the warp"

If you're talking about the Ophidium Gulf Crusade, that's still up for debate whether the DA destroyed the Black Templars ship. They only threatened to fire on the ship if the BT wouldnt hand over the fallen they got their hands on. After the two forces parted, the Ophidium Gulf "mysteriously dissappeared".

Ok well it is heavily implied then

NOTHING TO SEE HERE MOVE ALONG.

If an inquisitor found out about the fallen the Dark Angels would be called to answer for it.

captain collius wrote:If an inquisitor found out about the fallen the Dark Angels would be called to answer for it.

I dunno, is it really "that big a deal" for the Imperium as a whole?
For the Dark Angels, the Fallen are a great source of shame, casting a spell of suspicion over the entire Chapter's loyalty - but would the High Lords and the Inquisition really bother? I think there might be a huge irony in the Dark Angels coming off as unreliable because of their secrecy in trying to cover it up, rather than if they'd actually "come clean".

i know ive read about the dark angels letting an inquisitor on the rock and then throwing him out the airlocks. However, there are bound to be a few people outside the dark angels who know about it. For example, logan grimnar knows about the fallen.

 Lynata wrote:

captain collius wrote:If an inquisitor found out about the fallen the Dark Angels would be called to answer for it.

I dunno, is it really "that big a deal" for the Imperium as a whole?
For the Dark Angels, the Fallen are a great source of shame, casting a spell of suspicion over the entire Chapter's loyalty - but would the High Lords and the Inquisition really bother? I think there might be a huge irony in the Dark Angels coming off as unreliable because of their secrecy in trying to cover it up, rather than if they'd actually "come clean".

hmmmm look through the fluff there are several chapters who got in more trouble for less.

But in a real world scenario you are right but this is scifi setting.

captain collius wrote:hmmmm look through the fluff there are several chapters who got in more trouble for less.

Oh, definitively, but those tend to be Successor Chapters.
Regardless of my constant preaching against the "Astartes can do anything they want" crowd, and even though I maintain that no-one is beyond the Inquisition's reach, I do recognise that the original Loyalist Legions are granted a considerable degree of leeway simply due to their long existence and history of valiant service for the Imperium as He-on-Earth still walked amongst the living.

But perhaps this is all just meant to be part of the Dark Angels' theme ... in the gigantic effort to hide their shame, the Chapter has missed out on the many opportunities to retain an equal degree of trust from the larger Imperium as is granted their Brother-Marines in the other ex-Legions. That by refusing to "come clean" and continue to pile up dirty secrets, they generate that which they seek to prevent. It's almost like some sort of self-fulfilling prophecy, or maybe rather the moral of a story about how you're not supposed to lie.

 IcedAnimals wrote:
For example, logan grimnar knows about the fallen.

Where was that stated?

In the previous (3rd ed release) DA, Witchhunters and Daemonhunters codices, Dark Angels specifically would not ally with Inquisitorial units. They do not want the Inquisition around. I was surprised they made them Allies of Convenience in 6th.

 Ronin_eX wrote:
As far as we know the Inquisition suspects something is up, but have no idea about the Fallen. And the Dark Angels take some pretty extreme steps to make sure that knowledge is kept secret.

I doubt even a respected Astartes chapter would outright murder an inquisitor. Not saying it would result in immediate annialation but it's a pretty sure fire way of getting a *lot* of attention.

I have always had the belief that the DA have an intelligence network either as sophisticated or close to as sophisticated as the Alpha legion (cults, not SM), the reason I think this?

You try hearing about 1 dude on the other side of this planet.. by the way you dont know what he looks like and can change his name.. even if you have his name, now multiply this by the size of the milky way... getting the idea yet?

this leads me to think that DA must have an external organisation with the mandate to track down info on the fallen.

Now with regards to the Inquisition knowing about the Fallen, without a shadow of doubt they do, the better question is, do they know what the fallen represent, other than a lone DA gone renegade.

 Andilus Greatsword wrote:

 IcedAnimals wrote:
For example, logan grimnar knows about the fallen.

Where was that stated?

Ah sorry, dark angel friend corrected me when I asked for the source. Its Ragnar, not Logan. But the source is from Sons of Fenris.

 Testify wrote:
I doubt even a respected Astartes chapter would outright murder an inquisitor.

Isn't it heavily implied somewhere that the space wolves have "disappeared" inquisitors who stuck their noses where they didn't belong? I don't remember the source, though - it might not be anything official. I might have read it on lexicanum or some such.

 Lynata wrote:

captain collius wrote:If an inquisitor found out about the fallen the Dark Angels would be called to answer for it.

I dunno, is it really "that big a deal" for the Imperium as a whole?
For the Dark Angels, the Fallen are a great source of shame, casting a spell of suspicion over the entire Chapter's loyalty - but would the High Lords and the Inquisition really bother? I think there might be a huge irony in the Dark Angels coming off as unreliable because of their secrecy in trying to cover it up, rather than if they'd actually "come clean".

This is typically how I see it. The Dark Angels themselves have been pretty loyal to the Imperium, and after 10 000 years, would certainly not put them into question for that. If they would be punished for anything, it would be for the Dark Angels causing the Imperium to lose worlds for abandoning battles to go chasing Fallen halfway across the galaxy.

A Kvlt Ghost wrote:Isn't it heavily implied somewhere that the space wolves have "disappeared" inquisitors who stuck their noses where they didn't belong?

Sure, in various Black Library novels written by freelancing authors, all of which have their own opinion on the subject.
Don't think this was ever supported by something GW themselves have written - although it admittedly isn't out of the question, anyways. The Imperium is large, and "accidents" do happen. It would all depend on how that Inquisitor would disappear and whether he leaves behind anyone who would come looking for his fate, or how often such disappearances happen in vicinity to Fenris.