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The book just showed up at my doorstep, and while I’ve only had a chance to skim it I did skip ahead to the AdMech section at the back. It’s only tiny – the Traitor Legions are the star of this show – but even just the hints of what’s there has me excited.

Thallaxii for starters – cybernetically augmented jump infantry. 4+/6+FNP, T5. All their guns (Lightning Gun, Phased Plasma Gun, and so on) are linked to their internal power sources (a bit like the Venatorii I wrote for this book). There’s also mention of Myrmidon Destructors (or Destroyers) as part of the Legio Reductor, and all sorts of little hints of what’s to come.

I cannot wait.

My copy of Betrayal showed up last night. Much like HBMC I've only had a brief browse, but my goodness, my case of buyer's remorse evaporated as soon as I opened the cover.

It is just beautiful.

Horus looks to be great fun.

WS8 S7 T6 W6 A5 Sv2+/3++
Eternal Warrior. Immune to psychic attacks.
Makes Vet Tac Squads and his special Sons of Horus Terminator units into Troops Choices. Seizes the initiative on a 4+. Any unit in his army placed into Reserve automatically gets Outflank. He can divide his attacks between his Talon (S7 AP2 Shred + other rules) and his Mace (S10 AP2 Concussive Unwieldy). Against models/units that have WS4 or lower he gets +D3 attacks. He (and any Terminator unit joined to him) can choose what turn they arrive for Deep Strike, and they don’t scatter.

500 points!!!

Now that the Terminators are available it's time....for me to order myself some forgeworld

The new terminator set actually seems like quite a good purchase if you want to use them as chaos terminators from the new CSM book. Bit the arm sets, you have lots of options if you want to magnetize them, and they are great looking models.

Sooo tempted to buy some cataphractiii terminiators but i think i will keep waiting for the The Justerian to be released, its hard.

 Rayvon wrote:
Sooo tempted to buy some cataphractiii terminiators but i think i will keep waiting for the The Justerian to be released, its hard.

Each time I think the same thing, I just go back and stare at the justaerin pictures, then I don't want the cataphractii anymore

I'm waiting for the shoulder pads, decals and brass etch more. I can't finish building my marines until they are made available.

I don't know if I've seen those pictures. Is there a link to anything that shows them? How different are they?

This guy has some nice quality pics. 12th pic down;

http://theveilsedge.blogspot.ca/2012/09/uk-games-day-2012-pt-ii-forge-world.html

Studs, top knots, sons of horus shoulder pads.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I don't know if I've seen those pictures. Is there a link to anything that shows them? How different are they?

Unless you're really wanting Sons of Horus specific terminators, I think the 'regular' Cataphractii models are more than good enough!

Ah. Nice pics. I didn't think they'd do specific models for them. I hope we get the cool Deathguard unit that has scythes on everyone.

Man this book is cool!

I'm planning on placing an order for the book soon (probably tonight, maybe tomorrow.) Any suggestions for some awesome HH kits to pick up while I'm at it? I doubt I'm going to try and construct an entire Heresy-era army any time soon (one squad is fun, 6 is just a repetitive grind to me.) Dunno if the book has any small scale scenarios in it though, which might be interesting to model.

I'm digging the cataphracii but I think I'll hold off on then so my order doesn't sit around for a month waiting for them to be released.

 midget_overlord wrote:
This guy has some nice quality pics. 12th pic down;

http://theveilsedge.blogspot.ca/2012/09/uk-games-day-2012-pt-ii-forge-world.html

Studs, top knots, sons of horus shoulder pads.

Wow, I also like the "Legion Champion" ... so much great stuff ...

Agreed. Those are some sick (awesome) models!

I really want to get a unit of Cataphracti Terminators. After thinking about it, I want to convert them into my Terminator command squad for my Dark Angels, to reflect the older gear that the chapter and its successors typically maintain. Magnetize up a SS/TH set and a LC pair for the Company Master/Belial.

I also love the sculpts of the MK2/MK4 apothecary duo, and I'm tempted to put one into my PA command squad.

oh god

I just threw a ton of cash FW's way last night. I got the book, 3 sets of Termies, a 3 arms sets, and I threw in the Apothecary set as well


now it looks like every month I will have a similar size order

maybe I'm not saving up for a new car anymore

I spoke to FW Customer Services today, after a rumour on the RED STEEL Games day Video Blog. I stuck up a thread got no real definitive answer so one of the posters said Phone FW, so I did. Here is the premise and the response.

Me " I've heard a rumour that the Pre Heresy MkIV Maximus Armour Set has been changed? Is this the case and if so will the old one still be available?"

FW Customer Services "Ah!!!! Okay, at Games Day 2012, FW showed the NEW MkIV MAXIMUS (LEGION) armour and put it on sale approx 6 weeks before the "OFFICIAL" Release. This is a slightly modified version of the Original Pre-heresy MkIV Maximus Armour including Battle Damage, more poses and armour patches. The actual new range of so called "LEGION" Armour sets will go live on the FW website in Late October/ Early November including new HQ's and specific units (SPACE MARINE LEGION CENTURIONS ???). The demand for the original sets remains high, so FW will continue to produce both sets of Armour and others too for the foreseeable future".

So bottomline, yes it has changed but it is actually a different line the so called "LEGION" line, but they will still produce the originals we all lready know and love. Also we've got some nice goodies coming later this month.

Sod Dakka, I'm going to just phone these guys direct.

I guess they want to include some of the helmet variants that are in the assault sets and so forth.

The new HH tab at the top of the FW site got me pretty excited!

 Commander Cain wrote:
I guess they want to include some of the helmet variants that are in the assault sets and so forth.

The new HH tab at the top of the FW site got me pretty excited!

Agreed Commander, I felt the exact same. If it wasn't for the fact I wrapped up in 15mm Cold War stuff at the minute I would be all over the Forge World Termies, however it is typical that I shell out alot of clams to build my own Pre-heresy Morlocks in the spring then FW release not only one version but two bloody versions of Terminators in 6 months.



Talk about being annoyed.

i like the sneaky night lord auto cannon marine aswell :]

Yeah, a couple of models I have not seen until now on that blog, thanks for posting! Plasma guns and plasma blasters are very cool and the SoH termies are much more different than I first thought, helmets look like the tataros ones but with a cooler body!

I'm really only interested in this book in so far as the Emperor's Children are concerned. Do their rules do the fluff justice? What about Fulgrim? Is he a mad duelist?

 Xelkireth wrote:
I'm really only interested in this book in so far as the Emperor's Children are concerned. Do their rules do the fluff justice? What about Fulgrim? Is he a mad duelist?

Yes, and yes. Fulgrim is WS8, gets the "Sublime Swordsman" rule(increases his invulnerable save to 3+ in CC), he gets to choose a Strategic or Legion Warlord Trait at the beginning of each game, his armour Blinds any enemy who attacks him when he rolls a six to save, and the Laer blade is an AP2 Rending Two-handed Specialist Weapon; he also has a custom Volkite Charger with Shred. He is also -required- to accept any challenge that comes from a model with WS5 or higher. The EC special unit are the Palatine Blades; an elite society of duelists who fight together on the battlefield. They get the special duelist-variant chainsword, but can all upgrade to power swords or lances, and can be further upgraded with jump packs. They have Counter Attack, and also a HH-specific special rule "Chosen Warriors", which makes every model in the unit a Character that can accept and issue challenges.

As for the book as a whole, seriously; realistically, I'll get perhaps one or two Heresy games a year, if that, but it's worth it just for the fluff. Sure, the Campaign section is partially a rehash of the HH novels, but it's the difference between watching a James Bond movie, and watching Tinker, Tailor, Solider, Spy. Plus, there's a lot more detail on the pre-Primarch Marine Legions, the Death Guard(née Dusk Raiders) one was fantastic. Mind you, I'm enough of a sucker for the Mechanicus that I'd have bought it just for the handful of relevant pages on them.

Will probably get aloof the books, but really only interested in doing one of the ACTIVE loyalist legions whose armor did not change color after the heresy...really thinking about salamanders.

 Yodhrin wrote:

 Xelkireth wrote:
I'm really only interested in this book in so far as the Emperor's Children are concerned. Do their rules do the fluff justice? What about Fulgrim? Is he a mad duelist?

Yes, and yes. Fulgrim is WS8, gets the "Sublime Swordsman" rule(increases his invulnerable save to 3+ in CC), he gets to choose a Strategic or Legion Warlord Trait at the beginning of each game, his armour Blinds any enemy who attacks him when he rolls a six to save, and the Laer blade is an AP2 Rending Two-handed Specialist Weapon; he also has a custom Volkite Charger with Shred. He is also -required- to accept any challenge that comes from a model with WS5 or higher. The EC special unit are the Palatine Blades; an elite society of duelists who fight together on the battlefield. They get the special duelist-variant chainsword, but can all upgrade to power swords or lances, and can be further upgraded with jump packs. They have Counter Attack, and also a HH-specific special rule "Chosen Warriors", which makes every model in the unit a Character that can accept and issue challenges.

As for the book as a whole, seriously; realistically, I'll get perhaps one or two Heresy games a year, if that, but it's worth it just for the fluff. Sure, the Campaign section is partially a rehash of the HH novels, but it's the difference between watching a James Bond movie, and watching Tinker, Tailor, Solider, Spy. Plus, there's a lot more detail on the pre-Primarch Marine Legions, the Death Guard(née Dusk Raiders) one was fantastic. Mind you, I'm enough of a sucker for the Mechanicus that I'd have bought it just for the handful of relevant pages on them.

No Phoenix Guard?

^ What? I cannot believe this. There must be Phoenix Guard, otherwise what are my Morlock Iron Hands gonna fight?

Anyone know why items like the Death Guard shoulder pads, Fellblade, and jet bikes can't be found on the forgeworld site?

 Ifurita wrote:
Anyone know why items like the Death Guard shoulder pads, Fellblade, and jet bikes can't be found on the forgeworld site?

Thats easy Sir, they haven't been released yet! some were released early at Gamesday but other than that we are playing the waiting game.

 mwnciboo wrote:
^ What? I cannot believe this. There must be Phoenix Guard, otherwise what are my Morlock Iron Hands gonna fight?

Phoenix Guard HAVE to be in there - no way they aren't!

Odd though it may be, there are no Phoenix Guard in this book. The Emperor's Children section has 3 characters (Fulgrim, Saul Tarvitz and the dreadnought Rylanor) and one new unit, the Palatine blade squad